2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk

[drsd]

According to some not so reliable source, we are exploring Ross trades.
Sings of commitment to sucking?

Trading Ross leads to a bad bench becoming a horrible bench. This is beyond implausible. I am not saying Ross is untradeable, but I can only see him in a large deal that shakes up the Magic.

For example:
Beal, Winston and Brown for Fournier, Ross, Bamba and three Magic FRPs. Something like that.

[penny_nz]

According to some not so reliable source, we are exploring Ross trades.
Sings of commitment to sucking?

Trading Ross leads to a bad bench becoming a horrible bench. This is beyond implausible. I am not saying Ross is untradeable, but I can only see him in a large deal that shakes up the Magic.

For example:
Beal, Winston and Brown for Fournier, Ross, Bamba and three Magic FRPs. Something like that.

I would be gutted if we lost Ross, I know he has his ultimate chucker moments and cold streaks, but what a great 6th man with still a lot left in the tank.

However if it was part of a big deal to get a borderline star, that's the price we might have to pay, I'm sure other teams would love to add what he brings for us.

[KillMonger]

Trading Ross doesn't really make a lot of sense.....unless it's for the tank.....Ross is a bench player, playing his role the way clifford wants.....if there is any legs to this then is the magic for the first time ever, going to take the tank seriously? because trading ross makes us a significantly worse bench

[basketballRob]

Glad we didn't trade for Westbrook during the offseason.

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[MaKiaVeLi7]

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Lol...That is the frustrating part of the Magic situation. Even if we somehow could trade for a great player, we would be gutted and left with below replacement level players in our rotation.

I wonder how bad Beal wishes they kept Wall. Geez how the teams trading for Westbrook give up assets is beyond me. OKC got 2 firsts plus 2 pick swaps (from a now bad Houston team) for Westbrook, and they turned Chris Paul into 3 first rounders. Now Wizards paying a steep price.

Russ Westbrook is quickly turning into a toxic team killer. Who would have thought that a few years ago with the tripple-double seasons he had. Now he is a total negative on the floor and off the floor in terms of salary cap. Given his declining athleticism, not looking good for any team that has him on the roster long-term.

[Xatticus]

According to some not so reliable source, we are exploring Ross trades.
Sings of commitment to sucking?

It makes sense. They have to clear that salary for the impending Fournier extension.

[Knightro]

According to some not so reliable source, we are exploring Ross trades.
Sings of commitment to sucking?

It makes sense. They have to clear that salary for the impending Fournier extension.

Watch on YouTube

[cedric76]

Ross is a chucker, we should have traded him during his hot streak

[pepe1991]

This is most defently right time to cash in on Evan.
Guy is averaging 19 ppg on 39% for 3, almost 4 apg and 49% FG.

[nicnac215]

Ross is a chucker, we should have traded him during his hot streak

Ross and Vuc are retiring as Magicians

[cedric76]

Ross is a chucker, we should have traded him during his hot streak

Ross and Vuc are retiring as Magicians

I hope Vuc does, he wants to be here and he is a very nice guy

But Ross will be moved for sure

[cedric76]

Aminu +Gordon +Ross will be moved for assets and expiring contracts.
Weham want flexibility this summer

[Blue_and_Whte]

Ross is a chucker, we should have traded him during his hot streak

Ross and Vuc are retiring as Magicians

and?

Anyway, all i know is that we don't even look like a borderline playoff team and I would like to think that our FO sees the same thing. Anytime I've watched a Wizards game, Beal has had an "I need to get the F up outta here" look on his face or just the way he carries himself. I would love Beal on our team but we would have to gut our team to make that happen.

[MasterGMer]

Is a Beal trade possible for Magic? We need to give up more than 1 FRP to Wizard to make it happen. Should we?

I want a Fournier Extension. He is our main piece developed last several years and a solid NO.2 option behind Vuc. We have to do a lot to make it happen to avoid Luxury tax, but it could happen

[j-ragg]

Is a Beal trade possible for Magic? We need to give up more than 1 FRP to Wizard to make it happen. Should we?

I want a Fournier Extension. He is our main piece developed last several years and a solid NO.2 option behind Vuc. We have to do a lot to make it happen to avoid Luxury tax, but it could happen

A) why would Beal want to come lose here instead of losing in Washington? We’d probably have to give as many picks as the Nets gave for Harden to make a competitive offer.

B) I can’t tell if that’s sarcasm or not about the extension. But I hope the opposite of what you hope. We’ve seen the ceiling of this team, it isn’t good enough to be a team with no cap, let alone a lux tax team, and this would all but lock that in. So with that in mind, it’s probably likely he gets extended.

[MasterGMer]

Is a Beal trade possible for Magic? We need to give up more than 1 FRP to Wizard to make it happen. Should we?

I want a Fournier Extension. He is our main piece developed last several years and a solid NO.2 option behind Vuc. We have to do a lot to make it happen to avoid Luxury tax, but it could happen

A) why would Beal want to come lose here instead of losing in Washington? We’d probably have to give as many picks as the Nets gave for Harden to make a competitive offer.

B) I can’t tell if that’s sarcasm or not about the extension. But I hope the opposite of what you hope. We’ve seen the ceiling of this team, it isn’t good enough to be a team with no cap, let alone a lux tax team, and this would all but lock that in. So with that in mind, it’s probably likely he gets extended.

Yes, we have seen the ceiling of this team. I am not saying Fournier's value is sky high. But we have interests. But we also know what trading Founier means to this team: We are not making the playoff this season. There is just no way unless we can field a blockbuster trade to get us a star or a solid young player. Otherwise, I am not giving up on this season or Fournier

[pepe1991]

According to some not so reliable source, we are exploring Ross trades.
Sings of commitment to sucking?

It makes sense. They have to clear that salary for the impending Fournier extension.

Watch on YouTube

Orlando is flat out depressing when it comes to building funcional rosters.
Evan is very solid player. Guy shoots lights out. His TS% last 2 years is way above average, his net rating this year makes him pretty much tied with Gordon with only "almost" positive player. ( Magic net rating as a team is such a trash that it's hard to make any point how -2,2 net rating isn't bad ). In last 10 games, Evan is only player with positive net rating.

The thing is, he does what Magic lack. Comes as no suprise Cole started to playing better after Evan return. Floor spacing is name of the game last 6,7 years. Magic are way behind curve.

But Magic can't afford him, and should actively be looking for replacment that provides much needed spacing & floor spacing.

Overall if goal is to keep Fultz and Isaac and build anything substantial around them, adding plus shooters and ballhandlers is pretty much only possible outcome that could go in positive direction.
If they add to core of Fultz of Isaac guys like Cole, Okeke , Aminu, MCW ( low efficiency, low usage, or low quality in general)... That team will never pass 42 wins and first round.

If theorethical future team includes somebody like this:
PG: Fultz
SG: 15-22 ppg scorer ( positive shooter)
SF: two way wing ( hopefully star )
PF: Isaac
C: whoever workable

and off bench it's possible to switch Isaac at center at 10-15 min a game, and put another versitale ballhandler and shooter, it will be solid team ( depending again on ceiling of imaginary SGs and SFs).

But given how Magic for last 10 years ( pretty much since SVG left ) are building their teams, it's just cluster of poor fits, overlapping positions and skills that contradict and don't mesh together at all ( Payton, Oladipo, Harris, Gordon, Vuc for example never made sense whatsoever)

[MagicHolland]

It makes sense. They have to clear that salary for the impending Fournier extension.

Watch on YouTube

Orlando is flat out depressing when it comes to building funcional rosters.
Evan is very solid player. Guy shoots lights out. His TS% last 2 years is way above average, his net rating this year makes him pretty much tied with Gordon with only "almost" positive player. ( Magic net rating as a team is such a trash that it's hard to make any point how -2,2 net rating isn't bad ). In last 10 games, Evan is only player with positive net rating.

The thing is, he does what Magic lack. Comes as no suprise Cole started to playing better after Evan return. Floor spacing is name of the game last 6,7 years. Magic are way behind curve.

But Magic can't afford him, and should actively be looking for replacment that provides much needed spacing & floor spacing.

Overall if goal is to keep Fultz and Isaac and build anything substantial around them, adding plus shooters and ballhandlers is pretty much only possible outcome that could go in positive direction.
If they add to core of Fultz of Isaac guys like Cole, Okeke , Aminu, MCW ( low efficiency, low usage, or low quality in general)... That team will never pass 42 wins and first round.

If theorethical future team includes somebody like this:
PG: Fultz
SG: 15-22 ppg scorer ( positive shooter)
SF: two way wing ( hopefully star )
PF: Isaac
C: whoever workable


and off bench it's possible to switch Isaac at center at 10-15 min a game, and put another versitale ballhandler and shooter, it will be solid team ( depending again on ceiling of imaginary SGs and SFs).

But given how Magic for last 10 years ( pretty much since SVG left ) are building their teams, it's just cluster of poor fits, overlapping positions and skills that contradict and don't mesh together at all ( Payton, Oladipo, Harris, Gordon, Vuc for example never made sense whatsoever)

100% agree with you on this post. I’d love to see your vision on how to realize the bolded part!

[basketballRob]

It makes sense. They have to clear that salary for the impending Fournier extension.

Watch on YouTube

Orlando is flat out depressing when it comes to building funcional rosters.
Evan is very solid player. Guy shoots lights out. His TS% last 2 years is way above average, his net rating this year makes him pretty much tied with Gordon with only "almost" positive player. ( Magic net rating as a team is such a trash that it's hard to make any point how -2,2 net rating isn't bad ). In last 10 games, Evan is only player with positive net rating.

The thing is, he does what Magic lack. Comes as no suprise Cole started to playing better after Evan return. Floor spacing is name of the game last 6,7 years. Magic are way behind curve.

But Magic can't afford him, and should actively be looking for replacment that provides much needed spacing & floor spacing.

Overall if goal is to keep Fultz and Isaac and build anything substantial around them, adding plus shooters and ballhandlers is pretty much only possible outcome that could go in positive direction.
If they add to core of Fultz of Isaac guys like Cole, Okeke , Aminu, MCW ( low efficiency, low usage, or low quality in general)... That team will never pass 42 wins and first round.

If theorethical future team includes somebody like this:
PG: Fultz
SG: 15-22 ppg scorer ( positive shooter)
SF: two way wing ( hopefully star )
PF: Isaac
C: whoever workable

and off bench it's possible to switch Isaac at center at 10-15 min a game, and put another versitale ballhandler and shooter, it will be solid team ( depending again on ceiling of imaginary SGs and SFs).

But given how Magic for last 10 years ( pretty much since SVG left ) are building their teams, it's just cluster of poor fits, overlapping positions and skills that contradict and don't mesh together at all ( Payton, Oladipo, Harris, Gordon, Vuc for example never made sense whatsoever)

Evan is fresh right now. Normally he'll be around a 37% 3 pt shooter.

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[The Effect]

i see no downside to trading ross

Sure our bench scoring would suffer, but its not like we are gonna trade him for nothing, we will likely get a nice prospect out of it who potentially can be our high volume scorer off the bench, or even have bacon fill that role. He seems like a chucker who can post 15-20ppg if we give his ross' usage

selling ross now does nothing but help at this point