Hard to Believe Ainge will Make any Move Soon Trade Thread

[JediMasterRevan]

I dont think beal makes miami better.

Opposite in fact

[Darth Celtic]

Hayward was worst ... we need someone to replace him and I find Zach Lavine is a good choice! And we won’t get worse.

Ever watch him play? Zach is about zach. Win or lose he is getting his. Sometimes good players just play on bad teams. This isn't the case. Zach won't win because he makes his team worse everyday he goes.

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I don't know a ton about LaVine and doubt he's even on the market anyway. Just wondering how did LaVine get this rep that he only cares about himself? Was it something he said? Or did? Yes LaVine's teams haven't won much but they weren't winning much before he got there either. And Minny hasn't won since he left. Consider that a number of Minny players have been labeled as either selfish or not winning players or both (KG, KAT, Jimmy, LaVine, Wiggins) Is it possible that maybe Chicago and especially Minnesota are just poorly run organizations who don't set their teams up to win so they don't. AD was a losing player before last year. Not picking a fight with you just wondering, how do we know the difference?

Watch him play. Not just against us.

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[Darth Celtic]

Already have Langford for that, and not worth a FRP regardless.

Dude is getting floated for Oubre right now, and Oubre makes more money and is having one of the worst seasons ever.

The fact so many people want lonzo and would give up assets for him makes me really wonder about the collective knowledge around here

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The fact that people think he wouldnt be a MASSIVE upgrade over Jeff Teague makes me question if theyve ever watched a game that doesnt involve the Celtics

I'd rather have neither playing.

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[Darth Celtic]

Some people who dont want Lonzo would be saying funny things about Smart if he werent on our team

He has made every team better whenever he is on the court. He’s a winning player who moves the ball. But please, educate me on how Jeff Teague is the better option

He's not but he's on vet min that cost nothing to add to roster and will be gone next year. If lonzo is bought out and signs here for vet min and we release teague. Sign me up. Otherwise, no.

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[Darth Celtic]

The fact that people think he wouldnt be a MASSIVE upgrade over Jeff Teague makes me question if theyve ever watched a game that doesnt involve the Celtics

Sure he would be a massive upgrade over Teague but you’re also going to have to give up real assets to get him and then pay him as a RFA.

You can upgrade Teague by just cutting him and giving those minutes to Pritchard or just trading Teague and a 2nd for an average backup.

Its a late FRP. We used one last year to shed Kanter’s salary.

Lonzo is going to get squeezed in RFA. He’s not good enough to warrant the overpay itd take to not get a match, similar to what we saw with Smart.

He’s a winning player with upside. I’m good gambling on that.

When has lonzo won? People dying on trade for lonzo or lavine hill is an interesting choice of Jill's to die on.

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[Darth Celtic]

So on Lonzo. The guy has been pretty brutal this year. He has a 48.2 TS%, as compared to Marcus Smart who has a 52.8 % TS. He has a lower AST% than Smart with a 21.4% vs 24.9% and a higher turnover rate than you'd like at 16.7% vs 12.3% for Smart. So he's a clearly worse offensive player than Smart right now. He's a great passer in transition situations, but his complete lack of ability to generate offense in the half court means his passing ability doesn't translate real well to half court sets. He is shooting below 30% on threes so he has no outside gravity. He's having literally n one of the worst high output shooting seasons on record. And obviously he isn't as good defensively as Smart, although its really hard to evaluate him in that regard since that entire team has stunk on the defensive end. Most important I don't see him being strong enough to defend bigger wings.

Now look, maybe he's just having an off year. If he's more like what he was last year than this year then he's a fine addition as a 3+D guy with some extra passing ie a Marcus Smart ish guy. But this year he hasn't been that yet and using assets on a guy like that is a risk. As always it depends on the price, and what else is available (ie the opportunity cost).

Reddick meanwhile just looks like toast, pass.

Good take. For me the question is whether those are permanent deficits in his game or things that can improve with hard work. He should get a little bit stronger over the next couple of years, which will help on his drives - it took Smart until this season to be able to absorb contact in the air the way he did routinely in college. But his shot and his dribble drive ability aren’t there. His passing and IQ - and defense - are potentially so special that you want him to be good, but it’s hard to tell if he can figure the rest out. Would love to know what our FO and coaching staff think. Dallas is interested, and they usually have a good read on young players.

He is 23. He will improve and get stronger but not enough for us to want him. He is 2.5;years younger than smart. He's not 19 like Tatum.

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[Darth Celtic]

I don't know a ton about LaVine and doubt he's even on the market anyway. Just wondering how did LaVine get this rep that he only cares about himself? Was it something he said? Or did? Yes LaVine's teams haven't won much but they weren't winning much before he got there either. And Minny hasn't won since he left. Consider that a number of Minny players have been labeled as either selfish or not winning players or both (KG, KAT, Jimmy, LaVine, Wiggins) Is it possible that maybe Chicago and especially Minnesota are just poorly run organizations who don't set their teams up to win so they don't. AD was a losing player before last year. Not picking a fight with you just wondering, how do we know the difference?

Lavine led the revolt against Jim Boylen. Granted - Boylen is a bad coach, but organizing his teammates to not show up for practice because Boylen was working them too hard, and then crying to the players’ union about it?? I dunno. Doesn’t seem like a guy who I’d want on my team.

Thank you for the response. I didn't remember that story. But again, if other players felt the same as he did and he was just aggregating their response to an obviously bad coach, do we not blame the other guys involved in said revolt as well? Are they also not winning players too?

I dunno. I think you learn a lot about who a player REALLY is, when you put him in a situation with the potential to be a winner. Do they step up and put team first, or do they make it about themselves? I don't know if LaVine has ever been put in that situation yet. All I know is that he works out at the same place Tatum does each offseason with Drew Hanlen and seems to have improved his overall game much like Tatum has. I think the defensive aspect is about accountability which there has been little in Minny or Chicago nor any understanding of how to teach it. I will say that he has a punchable face. That probably won't change.

At the end of a close game instead of the ball going to best option and best play it would stop on lavine so he can get his. I've never seen otherwise. You want that?

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[Darth Celtic]

Could DA get Drummond with the TPE? Is it worth doing just to keep him from the Nets?

https://www.netsdaily.com/2021/1/27/22252495/nets-and-andre-drummond-second-reporter-suggests-buyout-and-link-up

No. He can't. It's illegal. We could only get him if bought out and signed

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[Darth Celtic]

So on Lonzo. The guy has been pretty brutal this year. He has a 48.2 TS%, as compared to Marcus Smart who has a 52.8 % TS. He has a lower AST% than Smart with a 21.4% vs 24.9% and a higher turnover rate than you'd like at 16.7% vs 12.3% for Smart. So he's a clearly worse offensive player than Smart right now. He's a great passer in transition situations, but his complete lack of ability to generate offense in the half court means his passing ability doesn't translate real well to half court sets. He is shooting below 30% on threes so he has no outside gravity. He's having literally n one of the worst high output shooting seasons on record. And obviously he isn't as good defensively as Smart, although its really hard to evaluate him in that regard since that entire team has stunk on the defensive end. Most important I don't see him being strong enough to defend bigger wings.

Now look, maybe he's just having an off year. If he's more like what he was last year than this year then he's a fine addition as a 3+D guy with some extra passing ie a Marcus Smart ish guy. But this year he hasn't been that yet and using assets on a guy like that is a risk. As always it depends on the price, and what else is available (ie the opportunity cost).

Reddick meanwhile just looks like toast, pass.

I would give Ball the Evan Turner treatment. High pick who didn’t pan out on 2 teams. Sign him in the off-season for MLE (or lower) money. I don’t even think the Pels would match, hence why they’re dealing him away.

Just remember. If we use mle in offseason and the tpe we will be way in tax zone and that 5 mil will probably cost 14m.

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