ImageImage

GT: Game #19 - Charlotte Vs Indiana (Jan 27th)

Moderators: fatlever, JDR720, Diop, BigSlam, yosemiteben

DY_nasty
General Manager
Posts: 9,369
And1: 4,947
Joined: Apr 14, 2010

Re: GT: Game #19 - Charlotte Vs Indiana (Jan 27th) 

Post#121 » by DY_nasty » Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:09 am

sabonis with a casual triple double his first game back
Rich4114
RealGM
Posts: 11,335
And1: 4,680
Joined: Mar 11, 2004
Location: PA
   

Re: GT: Game #19 - Charlotte Vs Indiana (Jan 27th) 

Post#122 » by Rich4114 » Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:11 am

If JB had the pacers roster and played our roster he’d still lose.
User avatar
Diop
Forum Mod - Hornets
Forum Mod - Hornets
Posts: 40,367
And1: 20,731
Joined: Jul 24, 2004
Location: Diop Dead Ugly
 

Re: GT: Game #19 - Charlotte Vs Indiana (Jan 27th) 

Post#123 » by Diop » Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:11 am

its a shame Dipo wanted out of Indiana, I like their team.

Turner and Sabonis seem to be fitting together as well
Image
User avatar
BigSlam
Forum Mod - Hornets
Forum Mod - Hornets
Posts: 51,164
And1: 8,360
Joined: Jul 01, 2005

Re: GT: Game #19 - Charlotte Vs Indiana (Jan 27th) 

Post#124 » by BigSlam » Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:12 am

Diop wrote:its a shame Dipo wanted out of Indiana, I like their team.

Turner and Sabonis seem to be fitting together as well

If healthy LeVert will be real good for them and an even better fit than Dipo IMO.
B B M F 'ers
Rich4114
RealGM
Posts: 11,335
And1: 4,680
Joined: Mar 11, 2004
Location: PA
   

Re: GT: Game #19 - Charlotte Vs Indiana (Jan 27th) 

Post#125 » by Rich4114 » Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:13 am

We need a Sabonis or Turner
User avatar
BigSlam
Forum Mod - Hornets
Forum Mod - Hornets
Posts: 51,164
And1: 8,360
Joined: Jul 01, 2005

Re: GT: Game #19 - Charlotte Vs Indiana (Jan 27th) 

Post#126 » by BigSlam » Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:14 am

Rich4114 wrote:We need a Sabonis or Turner

Sabonis would be sensational for us.
B B M F 'ers
User avatar
Diop
Forum Mod - Hornets
Forum Mod - Hornets
Posts: 40,367
And1: 20,731
Joined: Jul 24, 2004
Location: Diop Dead Ugly
 

Re: GT: Game #19 - Charlotte Vs Indiana (Jan 27th) 

Post#127 » by Diop » Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:15 am

Rich4114 wrote:Can someone refresh my memory on when the zone worked out well for us a whole game?

Ah well, I expected us to lose this game and every other until after Portland. Washington and Detroit will have company by end of February.

Zone is handy to throw out occasionally to throw a team out of rhythm.
Image
DY_nasty
General Manager
Posts: 9,369
And1: 4,947
Joined: Apr 14, 2010

Re: GT: Game #19 - Charlotte Vs Indiana (Jan 27th) 

Post#128 » by DY_nasty » Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:16 am

16 point quarter for mcdermott in 2021

Image
Rich4114
RealGM
Posts: 11,335
And1: 4,680
Joined: Mar 11, 2004
Location: PA
   

Re: GT: Game #19 - Charlotte Vs Indiana (Jan 27th) 

Post#129 » by Rich4114 » Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:16 am

BigSlam wrote:
Rich4114 wrote:We need a Sabonis or Turner

Sabonis would be sensational for us.


I’d pay him Hayward money.
User avatar
Liver_Pooty
RealGM
Posts: 40,725
And1: 16,719
Joined: Dec 29, 2008
Location: Asheville, NC
   

Re: GT: Game #19 - Charlotte Vs Indiana (Jan 27th) 

Post#130 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:17 am

Indiana is a beautifully built basketball team. When Levert gets healthy they are a darkhorse in the east
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
oldshoolballer
Veteran
Posts: 2,601
And1: 3,208
Joined: Nov 24, 2018

Re: GT: Game #19 - Charlotte Vs Indiana (Jan 27th) 

Post#131 » by oldshoolballer » Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:28 am

the clock is ticking on coach Borrego
Braggins
RealGM
Posts: 14,476
And1: 9,270
Joined: Jan 05, 2014

Re: GT: Game #19 - Charlotte Vs Indiana (Jan 27th) 

Post#132 » by Braggins » Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:48 am

Missed the game. Glad to see Monk get a chance. Hes literally played two games and already has more games this season where he hit half of his shots than Graham does.

Im still cool with LaMelo coming off the bench, but there is no reason to not get him some more minutes (probably Monk too if he keeps doing ok). Graham doesn't need to get 35 minutes every night and I don't honestly care if the team wins this season (I want lottery balls anyways), so you could even justify shaving a few minutes from Rozier to get some more development minutes for other guys.

Indiana is a model franchise. They are the rare example of a small market team being consistently good without ever getting high draft picks. All you have to do is make the right decision like 99% of the time.

Sabonis is an absolute monster. Lamb is coming off an absolutely horrific knee injury, so cut him some slack.
DY_nasty
General Manager
Posts: 9,369
And1: 4,947
Joined: Apr 14, 2010

Re: GT: Game #19 - Charlotte Vs Indiana (Jan 27th) 

Post#133 » by DY_nasty » Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:44 am

i was trying to bait a certain uconn fan lol

glad to see lamb bounce back and brogdon/levert/lamb is a pretty dang solid
CuseMayne
Starter
Posts: 2,017
And1: 1,506
Joined: Jun 28, 2017
   

Re: GT: Game #19 - Charlotte Vs Indiana (Jan 27th) 

Post#134 » by CuseMayne » Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:47 am

Melo with 22 minutes...

JB's losing me game by game. Brutal.
KembaWalker
RealGM
Posts: 11,955
And1: 13,582
Joined: Dec 22, 2011

Re: GT: Game #19 - Charlotte Vs Indiana (Jan 27th) 

Post#135 » by KembaWalker » Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:25 pm

going to the Hornets subreddit is like going into the twilight zone man. They think Monk is some kind of elite defensive stopper and that last night was a masterful coaching performance by JB
team looked as lost as ever if not more so to me but you'd think we just won the title cause the Martins didn't play
Hornet Mania
General Manager
Posts: 8,998
And1: 8,481
Joined: Jul 05, 2014
Location: Dornbirn, Austria
     

Re: GT: Game #19 - Charlotte Vs Indiana (Jan 27th) 

Post#136 » by Hornet Mania » Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:55 pm

This game is the perfect example of why the organization should think medium-term instead of short-term with all of their decisions at this point.

Indiana is a playoff team, not an elite team just a really solid playoff team, and the difference between their team and ours was stark.

I hope this influences the organization's thinking on trades and rotations, but I doubt it. Trying to squeeze wins out of this roster is pointless. We should play to win, of course, always, but also understand that the current talent level and general roster construction is only good enough for 30ish wins maximum.
User avatar
JMAC3
RealGM
Posts: 13,224
And1: 6,242
Joined: May 22, 2010
     

Re: GT: Game #19 - Charlotte Vs Indiana (Jan 27th) 

Post#137 » by JMAC3 » Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:51 pm

I had the game on last night, but didn't get to watch this game with my fully undivided attention as I had other things going on during it, but seemed like the same story we are used to.

Get down early, fight and claw our way back to keep it close and then ultimately run out of gas late for the loss. At least Borrego finally changed the starters last night inserting Zeller, who unlocks us offensively to do some things better than when Biz is on the floor. Anyone know what the starters +/- were last night when that group played together?

Imagine how exhausting it must be for our team to go down 10+ every single game, we never get a 20 point lead and just coast or fight off a few late pushes from the other team. That is what makes me worry about JB, even when the Knicks or Kings have sucked in the past they still had nights where they would just beat the other team by 25 and it doesn't seem like he is able to get us there ever.
User avatar
JMAC3
RealGM
Posts: 13,224
And1: 6,242
Joined: May 22, 2010
     

Re: GT: Game #19 - Charlotte Vs Indiana (Jan 27th) 

Post#138 » by JMAC3 » Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:56 pm

We essentially play a college basketball defensive scheme like the pack-line defense where we overhelp and try to force outside shots, but in the NBA this is not a viable defense because each team has 4-5 shooters that can light you up vs in college a team might have 1-2 great shooters.

It is unbelievably easy to get our defense into scramble mode early in the shot clock and eventually a team will pass the ball around for 5-6 seconds with a drive-kick-drive-kick-swing-drive kick-swing action that leads to a wide open three. This is how NBA offense should be played, but the difference is most teams can play solid defense for the first 18 seconds of the shot clock leaving the offense less time to probe and prodder the defense for a wide open shot.

Our defense gets punctured early in the shot clock in the first 14 seconds and then the offense has 10 seconds sometimes to find that easy money jumper in the corner or the wing. I don't care how good your rotations are, if you are having to scramble for this long the offense is going to win the battle more often than not. This all starts because we are sagging into the paint too far, have to close out a further distance leaving us more susceptible to the opponent to have room to attack the closeout and then the drive kick swing action starts. It doesn't help the matter that we do not have elite size/shot blocking at the rim so we try to solve the issue with more bodies in the paint, but honestly that is worse because are giving open threes compared to contested finishes around the rim.

Just watch our offensive sets and how much later we get into the defense and force them to adjust which often times leads to Miles, PJ, Graham or whoever taking only a semi-open three vs the opponent we are playing getting a much better look because they can force us to scramble quicker. Even last night how many threes did Graham look like he semi-forced late in the shot clock because we just ran out of time to run good offense.

To me this is partly coaching/partly players but to me we are running a flawed scheme and would be better off just giving up slightly wider driving lanes and decreasing our distance to closeout on shooters.
User avatar
JMAC3
RealGM
Posts: 13,224
And1: 6,242
Joined: May 22, 2010
     

Re: GT: Game #19 - Charlotte Vs Indiana (Jan 27th) 

Post#139 » by JMAC3 » Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:18 pm

Just watching some clips from last night and here are just a few timestamped moments that I think we are just overhelping on our defense and just giving up unneeded open jump shots. Why are we so focused on stopping McConnell from getting inside? We are feeding into their hands when we play these actions like this. Also, Terry transition defense last night was horrible on multiple occasions.

https://youtu.be/7JPpMK-ML5o?t=309

https://youtu.be/7JPpMK-ML5o?t=353

https://youtu.be/7JPpMK-ML5o?t=372

https://youtu.be/7JPpMK-ML5o?t=399

https://youtu.be/7JPpMK-ML5o?t=533

Return to Charlotte Hornets


cron