GT #14: Wizards @ Pelicans

[nate33]

Last 5 losses: Beal has 22 assists and 21 turnovers and took an average of 31.6 shots

The one game they won: Beal took 22 shots and had 9 assists and 1 turnover

No one is a “bad fan” for pointing something like this out.

In those 5 losses:

Not Beal: 326 points, .504 TS%, 54 turnovers, 0.86 points per possession
Beal: - - - 212 points, .604 TS%, 21 turnovers, 1.08 points per possession

Tell me again what Beal did wrong?

Obviously, my point is that when Beal moves the ball, it makes his teamates better. It’s crazy how personally offended you get when someone says “Beal should play defense and move the ball”

Also, just wanted to throw this out there. ESPN released the RPM ratings today: http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/3/sort/DRPM/position/2

I take those DRPM numbers, particularly for wings, with a healthy grain of salt. Defense is system dependent and team dependent. Pat Connington is not the best defensive shooting guard in the league. He just happens to play alongside Jrue, Giannis and Lopez.

Just like Davis Bertans didn't go from being the 40th best defensive small forward in San Antonio to 95th best (5th from last) in Washington. And JJ Redick didn't go from being the 78th best defensive shooting guard in Philly to 137th (2nd to last) in New Orleans.

[NatP4]

In those 5 losses:

Not Beal: 326 points, .504 TS%, 54 turnovers, 0.86 points per possession
Beal: - - - 212 points, .604 TS%, 21 turnovers, 1.08 points per possession

Tell me again what Beal did wrong?

Obviously, my point is that when Beal moves the ball, it makes his teamates better. It’s crazy how personally offended you get when someone says “Beal should play defense and move the ball”

Also, just wanted to throw this out there. ESPN released the RPM ratings today: http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/3/sort/DRPM/position/2

I take those DRPM numbers, particularly for wings, with a healthy grain of salt. Defense is system dependent and team dependent. Pat Connington is not the best defensive shooting guard in the league. He just happens to play alongside Jrue, Giannis and Lopez.

Just like Davis Bertans didn't go from being the 40th best defensive small forward in San Antonio to 95th best (5th from last) in Washington. And JJ Redick didn't go from being the 78th best defensive shooting guard in Philly to 137th (2nd to last) in New Orleans.

What don’t you take with a grain of salt? You disregarded defensive rating, on/off differential, RAPTOR, RPM now.

[nate33]

Obviously, my point is that when Beal moves the ball, it makes his teamates better. It’s crazy how personally offended you get when someone says “Beal should play defense and move the ball”

Also, just wanted to throw this out there. ESPN released the RPM ratings today: http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/3/sort/DRPM/position/2

I take those DRPM numbers, particularly for wings, with a healthy grain of salt. Defense is system dependent and team dependent. Pat Connington is not the best defensive shooting guard in the league. He just happens to play alongside Jrue, Giannis and Lopez.

Just like Davis Bertans didn't go from being the 40th best defensive small forward in San Antonio to 95th best (5th from last) in Washington. And JJ Redick didn't go from being the 78th best defensive shooting guard in Philly to 137th (2nd to last) in New Orleans.

What don’t you take with a grain of salt? You disregarded defensive rating, on/off differential, RAPTOR, RPM now.

I have not disregarded on/off differential. Beal looks very good by on/off differential.

I do disregard most defensive metrics for wing players because defense is so much more dependent on system and good bigs. DRPM had Duncan freaking Robinson as the best defensive guard in the league last year. That in itself should tell you that the stat cannot be relied upon.

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I take those DRPM numbers, particularly for wings, with a healthy grain of salt. Defense is system dependent and team dependent. Pat Connington is not the best defensive shooting guard in the league. He just happens to play alongside Jrue, Giannis and Lopez.

Just like Davis Bertans didn't go from being the 40th best defensive small forward in San Antonio to 95th best (5th from last) in Washington. And JJ Redick didn't go from being the 78th best defensive shooting guard in Philly to 137th (2nd to last) in New Orleans.

What don’t you take with a grain of salt? You disregarded defensive rating, on/off differential, RAPTOR, RPM now.

I have not disregarded on/off differential. Beal looks very good by on/off differential.

I do disregard most defensive metrics for wing players because defense is so much more dependent on system and good bigs. DRPM had Duncan freaking Robinson as the best defensive guard in the league last year. That in itself should tell you that the stat cannot be relied upon.

Oh god... not DRPM again?

For starters, DRPM is not a "stat" of any kind. Nor is RAPTOR or any of those other numbers Nat likes to quote without having the vaguest notion of how they are calculated or what makes them good.

Btw - if that's incorrect, Nat, & you do understand how either DRPM or RAPTOR is calculated, you have my apologies & I take back what I just wrote. & all you have to do to show that you understand these things is to explain them right here. No, I don't mean provide a link to an essay that pretends to explain them.

&, if you can't explain any of them -- which, btw, I am quite sure you can't -- then please expalin why you take them as having any meaning at all, & why you complain when others don't take them seriously. Thanks.

Edit: & to show that I am an unbiased commentator here, let me point out that Pat Connaughton has been an extremely good NBA wing since his 2d year in the league & is having his best year yet. Not much of a scorer (tho at least quite efficient) but an extraordinary rebounder for a guard & really solid in every other way -- an elite journeyman you might call him.

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