Around the NBA: 2020-21 Season

[Andi Obst]

What I don't understand is why Beal and Westbrook aren't considered a 'Big 2', why are the Wizards so bad with these two guys.

Westbrook so far this season: 163 field goal attempts, 163 total points. 44% true shooting (on >30% usage lol). The horrible Wizards team with 0 bench depth is significantly better when he's off the floor.

That man is done.

I honestly wonder if he was ever more than an empty stats guy. His numbers always look good, but I don't think it's condusive to winning ball.

His stats have always been better than his actual impact, but MVP Westbrook was still extremely good IMO.

[kodo]

With All-Star Voting open, do we think Zach will make the ASG this year? Or will the Bulls record hold him down again?

[PaKii94]

With All-Star Voting open, do we think Zach will make the ASG this year? Or will the Bulls record hold him down again?

Again? Zach didn't deserve all star last year

[Andi Obst]

With All-Star Voting open, do we think Zach will make the ASG this year? Or will the Bulls record hold him down again?

I think it will be very tough for him to make it. There are between 4 and 6 guard spots (most likely 5) and way more deserving candidates so far.

Harden, Kyrie, Brown, Trae, Beal, Holiday, Brogdon, Sexton...just to name a few.

[MisterRoy]

I think it's a bad combination of styles of play. This feels like a 2K pairing. Not sure what Washington was thinking when they did this.


Sent from somewhere you've never been.

Does Westbrook have a good pairing anymore? There were times in his career when he was a joy to watch, but who would want this guy on that contract anymore?

The only good pairing Russ has nowadays is his ass paired with the cushion of one of the seats on the bench.

Surround him with 2 3 and D wings, a rebounding center and a stretch 4. None of them can care about their stats because no plays will be run for them. They will only get the ball if the lane closes for Russ.


Sent from somewhere you've never been.

[CobyWhite0]

Does Westbrook have a good pairing anymore? There were times in his career when he was a joy to watch, but who would want this guy on that contract anymore?

The only good pairing Russ has nowadays is his ass paired with the cushion of one of the seats on the bench.

Surround him with 2 3 and D wings, a rebounding center and a stretch 4. None of them can care about their stats because no plays will be run for them. They will only get the ball if the lane closes for Russ.


Sent from somewhere you've never been.

That's cute, like the lane closing down has ever stopped Russ from forcing up a shot. But yeah, you're right.

Actually, the thought I had was that Russ might fit in well 20 years ago, on the Iverson Sixers that went to the Finals.

AI took 25 shots a night, nobody else on the team even took 10. Play him with nothing but defenders, pretend you're the Bears, and try to win every game 81-80.

Of course, he'd have to find his own time machine...

[Repeat 3-peat]

Read on Twitter

[MisterRoy]

Read on Twitter

Don't do that to us.


Sent from somewhere you've never been.

[BullChit]

If a Beal trade was on the table would anybody object to taking RoLo back in a deal?

Sent from my CPH1979 using Tapatalk

[BullChit]

Read on Twitter

Don't do that to us.


Sent from somewhere you've never been.

Hmmm

Sent from my CPH1979 using Tapatalk

[AusBull]

Lavine and Beal would work no better than Beal and Westbrook. Infact it would probably be worse because we are still left with 2 SGs and no PG.

[TheJordanRule]

Do you see what I see? This kid is going to be a star. The Knicks, of all teams, hit on a very late 1st round draft pick. After so many years watching this delusional organization end up chasing busts, this makes me happy even though they are our rivals. Quickley may not have the vision of a PG right now, but he's damn fast, he shoots the ball with an incredible amount of accuracy, and he plays good defense. He's earning decent playing time under Thibs even as a rookie.

[MisterRoy]

Lavine and Beal would work no better than Beal and Westbrook. Infact it would probably be worse because we are still left with 2 SGs and no PG.

We would have to run a 3 guard lineup with Zach moving to the 3 spot, which is less than ideal.


Sent from somewhere you've never been.

[coldfish]

Lavine and Beal would work no better than Beal and Westbrook. Infact it would probably be worse because we are still left with 2 SGs and no PG.

Westbrook can't shoot. That's the fundamental issue there. At least with Beal and Lavine, you wouldn't be begging one of them to shoot from the outside.

Just in general, the Bulls and most teams don't need or use a traditional point guard. The ball moves and swings and multiple people get involved with pick and rolls. The traditional PG is dead and died when they changed the defense rules.

The lineup would be:
Lavine / Beal / PW / Lauri / Wendell

And lastly, its not happening. Washington is going to get a ton for Beal.

[DASMACKDOWN]

Man what has gotten into the Jazz? 11 straight right now. Mitchell hasnt even played the last 2 games.

Say what you want about Goberts contract, but man he obviously makes a huge impact..

[Hangtime84]

Lavine and Beal would work no better than Beal and Westbrook. Infact it would probably be worse because we are still left with 2 SGs and no PG.

Westbrook can't shoot. That's the fundamental issue there. At least with Beal and Lavine, you wouldn't be begging one of them to shoot from the outside.

Just in general, the Bulls and most teams don't need or use a traditional point guard. The ball moves and swings and multiple people get involved with pick and rolls. The traditional PG is dead and died when they changed the defense rules.

The lineup would be:
Lavine / Beal / PW / Lauri / Wendell

And lastly, its not happening. Washington is going to get a ton for Beal.

I think Beal wants to leave but on his own terms. I think that’s the hesitation for a trade to happen.

[Chi town]

Man what has gotten into the Jazz? 11 straight right now. Mitchell hasnt even played the last 2 games.

Say what you want about Goberts contract, but man he obviously makes a huge impact..

Gobert on D and very high IQ players on offense w Ingles, Bog, and Conley.

Fun squad to watch. The continuity helps too.

[MrFortune3]

Man what has gotten into the Jazz? 11 straight right now. Mitchell hasnt even played the last 2 games.

Say what you want about Goberts contract, but man he obviously makes a huge impact..

The hot takes people have come with about his impact were always nonsense.
That dude is a massive impact on defense and is a absolute stud. He makes their defense go. Some of the things he was doing against Dallas on D was just comical for a big man.

[MGB8]

Lavine and Beal would work no better than Beal and Westbrook. Infact it would probably be worse because we are still left with 2 SGs and no PG.

We would have to run a 3 guard lineup with Zach moving to the 3 spot, which is less than ideal.


Sent from somewhere you've never been.

I disagree. You would run Beal at point, where he has shown more signs of ability than Coby (kind of a la Harden), and keep LaVine at the 2, with Pat / Temple at the 3 and whomever at the 4 and 5.

[MGB8]

The problem is that I don't think the Bulls can put together an attractive enough package outside of trading LaVine for Beal (which makes no sense - basically a lateral move) or Pat (also makes no sense given the Bulls weakness at the 3, especially if moving Porter to help Wizards avoid salary issues).

Best the Bulls could do would be multiple (lightly protected or unprotected) firsts plus Otto, White, Lauri (who doesn't make a lot of sense for the Wiz given Rui and Deni) and/or Carter Jr. (who doesn't make a lot of sense for the Wiz given Bryant, even if Bryant's hurt... because so is Carter)... I still see a lot of other teams topping that...

Don't get me wrong, I'd be ecstatic to send the Wiz a package of Otto, White, Carter Jr. and the Bulls top-4 protected 2021 first, top 4 protected 2023 first, and some other future top 4 protected first (with all the conditions needed on shifting those picks to comply with the "need a first every other year rule") for Beal...

I think in the new NBA, Beal would be very good as a scoring point guard and that he and LaVine would work in a way that Coby and LaVine don't; I think that failure is mostly about Coby's not great handle and limited vision and LaVine not being quite good enough (at least not yet) to man the point full time.