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MixxSRC wrote:No you got it backwards. You guys using scare tactics such as 'we won't tank hard enough" "we won't win the lottery" "the guy we draft won't end up being good" you guys are trying to scare people off and for what?
Being in the middle is not winning. Not having prospects to build around is not winning.
ATLTimekeeper wrote:MixxSRC wrote:No you got it backwards. You guys using scare tactics such as 'we won't tank hard enough" "we won't win the lottery" "the guy we draft won't end up being good" you guys are trying to scare people off and for what?
Being in the middle is not winning. Not having prospects to build around is not winning.
I wouldn't say they're scare tactics any more than "the Kawhi trade will never happen again" and "free agents will never sign here" are.
ATLTimekeeper wrote:MixxSRC wrote:No you got it backwards. You guys using scare tactics such as 'we won't tank hard enough" "we won't win the lottery" "the guy we draft won't end up being good" you guys are trying to scare people off and for what?
Being in the middle is not winning. Not having prospects to build around is not winning.
I wouldn't say they're scare tactics any more than "the Kawhi trade will never happen again" and "free agents will never sign here" are.
Danny1616 wrote:MixxSRC wrote:"Teams that tanked less San Antonio" who drafted Tim Duncan in 90s and Mavs who drafted Dirk. But again you guys cut off 90s because they stayed in college longer. But let's ignore that McGrady was highschooler and Garnett as well. And using Mavs as example of team who tank less? Their current success is because of tanking for Luka and Cuban admitted to tanking before.
That post has many problems
Badly run franchises are bad for long time. Idea that their problem is tanking is hilarious. I'm pretty if they tried to treadmill they wouldn't find much success.
And yet even with a superstar in Doncic the Mavericks are 8-10. The Porzingis trade seems to have backfired because he's injury prone. We won't know how it will pan out.
Could it be another AD or George situation? Where a superstar level player is on an average team and wants out?
MixxSRC wrote:ATLTimekeeper wrote:MixxSRC wrote:No you got it backwards. You guys using scare tactics such as 'we won't tank hard enough" "we won't win the lottery" "the guy we draft won't end up being good" you guys are trying to scare people off and for what?
Being in the middle is not winning. Not having prospects to build around is not winning.
I wouldn't say they're scare tactics any more than "the Kawhi trade will never happen again" and "free agents will never sign here" are.
Do you see what kind of haul Harden trade got? Kawhi trade was a steal. Odds of that kind of trade happening again are indeed slim.
Free agents will not sign here is not a scare tactic. It's just reality. Many teams have that problem. Raptors are not special.
MixxSRC wrote:Do you see what kind of haul Harden trade got? Kawhi trade was a steal. Odds of that kind of trade happening again are indeed slim.
Free agents will not sign here is not a scare tactic. It's just reality. Many teams have that problem. Raptors are not special.
ATLTimekeeper wrote:MixxSRC wrote:ATLTimekeeper wrote:
I wouldn't say they're scare tactics any more than "the Kawhi trade will never happen again" and "free agents will never sign here" are.
Do you see what kind of haul Harden trade got? Kawhi trade was a steal. Odds of that kind of trade happening again are indeed slim.
Free agents will not sign here is not a scare tactic. It's just reality. Many teams have that problem. Raptors are not special.
Harden was traded for picks. Houston didn't want their players at all. Anyone can offer future picks.
Many teams also don't draft an MVP when they tank. This is also a reality. It's not a scare tactic. Teams that build this way tend not to win titles, either. So, you can either root for Ls and ping pong balls, or you can root for Ws and some other lucky breaks. I know which of more fun. At worst, I'm disappointed and then I can root for ping pong balls.
ReggieSlater wrote:MixxSRC wrote:Do you see what kind of haul Harden trade got? Kawhi trade was a steal. Odds of that kind of trade happening again are indeed slim.
Free agents will not sign here is not a scare tactic. It's just reality. Many teams have that problem. Raptors are not special.
2018 Tankers: This team can't win a championship. We can't trade for a superstar. We have no path to victory.
2021 Tankers: This team can't win a championship. We can't trade for another superstar We have no path to victory.
If you say so.
Marty_Budda wrote:ReggieSlater wrote:MixxSRC wrote:Do you see what kind of haul Harden trade got? Kawhi trade was a steal. Odds of that kind of trade happening again are indeed slim.
Free agents will not sign here is not a scare tactic. It's just reality. Many teams have that problem. Raptors are not special.
2018 Tankers: This team can't win a championship. We can't trade for a superstar. We have no path to victory.
2021 Tankers: This team can't win a championship. We can't trade for another superstar We have no path to victory.
If you say so.
You’d have a point if you weren’t missing something something pretty obvious. Our team in 2018 was good - 1st in the east good. Our team in 2021 - not so good. We had a lot of young assets and peak Lowry in 2018. In 2021 we have aging Lowry and not as many trade assets. If we trade for a star right now we’d be average at best.
Marty_Budda wrote:ReggieSlater wrote:MixxSRC wrote:Do you see what kind of haul Harden trade got? Kawhi trade was a steal. Odds of that kind of trade happening again are indeed slim.
Free agents will not sign here is not a scare tactic. It's just reality. Many teams have that problem. Raptors are not special.
2018 Tankers: This team can't win a championship. We can't trade for a superstar. We have no path to victory.
2021 Tankers: This team can't win a championship. We can't trade for another superstar We have no path to victory.
If you say so.
You’d have a point if you weren’t missing something something pretty obvious. Our team in 2018 was good - 1st in the east good. Our team in 2021 - not so good. We had a lot of young assets and peak Lowry in 2018. In 2021 we have aging Lowry and not as many trade assets. If we trade for a star right now we’d be average at best.
ATLTimekeeper wrote:MixxSRC wrote:ATLTimekeeper wrote:
I wouldn't say they're scare tactics any more than "the Kawhi trade will never happen again" and "free agents will never sign here" are.
Do you see what kind of haul Harden trade got? Kawhi trade was a steal. Odds of that kind of trade happening again are indeed slim.
Free agents will not sign here is not a scare tactic. It's just reality. Many teams have that problem. Raptors are not special.
Harden was traded for picks. Houston didn't want their players at all. Anyone can offer future picks.
Many teams also don't draft an MVP when they tank. This is also a reality. It's not a scare tactic. Teams that build this way tend not to win titles, either. So, you can either root for Ls and ping pong balls, or you can root for Ws and some other lucky breaks. I know which of more fun. At worst, I'm disappointed and then I can root for ping pong balls.
Danny1616 wrote:Marty_Budda wrote:ReggieSlater wrote:
2018 Tankers: This team can't win a championship. We can't trade for a superstar. We have no path to victory.
2021 Tankers: This team can't win a championship. We can't trade for another superstar We have no path to victory.
If you say so.
You’d have a point if you weren’t missing something something pretty obvious. Our team in 2018 was good - 1st in the east good. Our team in 2021 - not so good. We had a lot of young assets and peak Lowry in 2018. In 2021 we have aging Lowry and not as many trade assets. If we trade for a star right now we’d be average at best.
Go to the 2017 off-season. We had just got rid of Patterson and Cory Joseph and lost PJ Tucker in free agency. Most people thought we lost a lot of depth with no upside. We just got swept by the Cavs. Lowry was 31 turning 32 and many thought he was reaching the end of his prime.
We had a raw 27th pick in Siakam, a decent 20th pick in Delon and undrafted unknown in Fred who didn't play in his rookie season.
Very few predicted Siakam, Fred etc. would lead us with the best bench in the league.
ReggieSlater wrote:MixxSRC wrote:Do you see what kind of haul Harden trade got? Kawhi trade was a steal. Odds of that kind of trade happening again are indeed slim.
Free agents will not sign here is not a scare tactic. It's just reality. Many teams have that problem. Raptors are not special.
2018 Tankers: This team can't win a championship. We can't trade for a superstar. We have no path to victory.
2021 Tankers: This team can't win a championship. We can't trade for another superstar We have no path to victory.
If you say so.
KL78192020 wrote:Danny1616 wrote:Marty_Budda wrote:
You’d have a point if you weren’t missing something something pretty obvious. Our team in 2018 was good - 1st in the east good. Our team in 2021 - not so good. We had a lot of young assets and peak Lowry in 2018. In 2021 we have aging Lowry and not as many trade assets. If we trade for a star right now we’d be average at best.
Go to the 2017 off-season. We had just got rid of Patterson and Cory Joseph and lost PJ Tucker in free agency. Most people thought we lost a lot of depth with no upside. We just got swept by the Cavs. Lowry was 31 turning 32 and many thought he was reaching the end of his prime.
We had a raw 27th pick in Siakam, a decent 20th pick in Delon and undrafted unknown in Fred who didn't play in his rookie season.
Very few predicted Siakam, Fred etc. would lead us with the best bench in the league.
And those same win now people were completely against trading Derozan and Poetl for Kawhi. 40% of the board wanted to keep the winning Raptors with Demar. Some of those same posters still want him back to win now.
ReggieSlater wrote:Marty_Budda wrote:ReggieSlater wrote:
2018 Tankers: This team can't win a championship. We can't trade for a superstar. We have no path to victory.
2021 Tankers: This team can't win a championship. We can't trade for another superstar We have no path to victory.
If you say so.
You’d have a point if you weren’t missing something something pretty obvious. Our team in 2018 was good - 1st in the east good. Our team in 2021 - not so good. We had a lot of young assets and peak Lowry in 2018. In 2021 we have aging Lowry and not as many trade assets. If we trade for a star right now we’d be average at best.
Soooo tankers were wrong then, and what they were emphatically preaching was proven empirically to be false, but it's different now, and we should all listen to you guys now. Pretty much the gist of it?
Danny1616 wrote:Marty_Budda wrote:ReggieSlater wrote:
2018 Tankers: This team can't win a championship. We can't trade for a superstar. We have no path to victory.
2021 Tankers: This team can't win a championship. We can't trade for another superstar We have no path to victory.
If you say so.
You’d have a point if you weren’t missing something something pretty obvious. Our team in 2018 was good - 1st in the east good. Our team in 2021 - not so good. We had a lot of young assets and peak Lowry in 2018. In 2021 we have aging Lowry and not as many trade assets. If we trade for a star right now we’d be average at best.
Go to the 2017 off-season. We had just got rid of Patterson and Cory Joseph and lost PJ Tucker in free agency. Most people thought we lost a lot of depth with no upside. We just got swept by the Cavs. Lowry was 31 turning 32 and many thought he was reaching the end of his prime.
We had a raw 27th pick in Siakam, a decent 20th pick in Delon and undrafted unknown in Fred who didn't play in his rookie season.
Very few predicted Siakam, Fred etc. would lead us with the best bench in the league.
Danny1616 wrote:KL78192020 wrote:Danny1616 wrote:
Go to the 2017 off-season. We had just got rid of Patterson and Cory Joseph and lost PJ Tucker in free agency. Most people thought we lost a lot of depth with no upside. We just got swept by the Cavs. Lowry was 31 turning 32 and many thought he was reaching the end of his prime.
We had a raw 27th pick in Siakam, a decent 20th pick in Delon and undrafted unknown in Fred who didn't play in his rookie season.
Very few predicted Siakam, Fred etc. would lead us with the best bench in the league.
And those same win now people were completely against trading Derozan and Poetl for Kawhi. 40% of the board wanted to keep the winning Raptors with Demar. Some of those same posters still want him back to win now.
Sure, many did.
But the majority, including myself, were heavily in favor of trading for Kawhi.
It wasn't like only anti-tankers opposed getting Kawhi and pro-tankers all wanted Kawhi. It wasn't divided along those lines, lol.
KL78192020 wrote:Danny1616 wrote:KL78192020 wrote:
And those same win now people were completely against trading Derozan and Poetl for Kawhi. 40% of the board wanted to keep the winning Raptors with Demar. Some of those same posters still want him back to win now.
Sure, many did.
But the majority, including myself, were heavily in favor of trading for Kawhi.
It wasn't like only anti-tankers opposed getting Kawhi and pro-tankers all wanted Kawhi. It wasn't divided along those lines, lol.
Correct, so its goes both ways thats all.
MixxSRC wrote:The most hilarious thing to me is....I was anti-tank in 2013 lmao
I don't get it what's the problem? We're not winning, are we? That's the point of a tank. To lose as many games as possible.
Fire Ujiri
TWO for life. FOR LIFE
Someone said: You don't hold on to a guy that is only good enough to make you maybe a few games better...that leaves you in no man's land, not bad enough to get good picks, not good enough to be a meaningful team in the league. F*ck no, that's why Lowry needs to be traded asap and most likely will.
You replied: people seem to have a problem grasping that concept