Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?)

[killmongrel]

The question is can we win a title this year or next with Wiseman and the Minny pick being a net negative towards winning?

Steph is legendary, so i wouldn't put it past him, but the consensus would be no. So I really see two likely options at contending for a title:

1) Trade Wiseman and Minny pick so Steph can content for a title while he's still an MVP level player.

2) Keep Wiseman and the Minny pick and aim for contention when/if those guys are star level players.

I don't think either are a bad option, but the worry with number 2 is that there is no guarantee we nail the minny pick and we don't know what type of player our stars will be at that time, or if they will be content waiting a couple years.

I would vote for option 1. Trade Wiseman and the pick if it can land you a Beal level star. MVP level Steph is the guy to build around, not Wiseman and a 2021 rookie. And this is coming from someone that is desperate to have Jalen Green on the Warriors lol.

You're right, Steph is the super star. He's the player to build around and sell out for. But I just don't believe Beal is that guy. He's a good player, but he's not guaranteeing this team becomes a favorite for the Finals. If that's the case, are we okay with seeing Wiseman possibly becoming a star on another team as well as that pick turning into another star just to give Steph a slightly better shot on paper because we think double the offense is better than defense? Remember, we became a juggernaut with KD because he brought offense and defense. Beal isn't that guy. And we don't have the same core we had years ago.

[FNQ]

The question is can we win a title this year or next with Wiseman and the Minny pick being a net negative towards winning?

Steph is legendary, so i wouldn't put it past him, but the consensus would be no. So I really see two likely options at contending for a title:

1) Trade Wiseman and Minny pick so Steph can content for a title while he's still an MVP level player.

2) Keep Wiseman and the Minny pick and aim for contention when/if those guys are star level players.

I don't think either are a bad option, but the worry with number 2 is that there is no guarantee we nail the minny pick and we don't know what type of player our stars will be at that time, or if they will be content waiting a couple years.

I would vote for option 1. Trade Wiseman and the pick if it can land you a Beal level star. MVP level Steph is the guy to build around, not Wiseman and a 2021 rookie. And this is coming from someone that is desperate to have Jalen Green on the Warriors lol.

You're right, Steph is the super star. He's the player to build around and sell out for. But I just don't believe Beal is that guy. He's a good player, but he's not guaranteeing this team becomes a favorite for the Finals. If that's the case, are we okay with seeing Wiseman possibly becoming a star on another team as well as that pick turning into another star just to give Steph a slightly better shot on paper because we think double the offense is better than defense? Remember, we became a juggernaut with KD because he brought offense and defense. Beal isn't that guy. And we don't have the same core we had years ago.

I'd argue there's about 3-5 players in the NBA who if we traded for them, we'd be the favorites in 2022, but not one of them is available and they are very unlikely to become available. KD, LeBron, AD, Giannis, and Luka.

If we're holding out for that, we're basically resigned to the 2nd route, and I think there's a very slim chance that the young players' talent aligns well with our big 3 and makes any significant noise in the playoffs

[whatisacenter]

The question is can we win a title this year or next with Wiseman and the Minny pick being a net negative towards winning?

Steph is legendary, so i wouldn't put it past him, but the consensus would be no. So I really see two likely options at contending for a title:

1) Trade Wiseman and Minny pick so Steph can content for a title while he's still an MVP level player.

2) Keep Wiseman and the Minny pick and aim for contention when/if those guys are star level players.

I don't think either are a bad option, but the worry with number 2 is that there is no guarantee we nail the minny pick and we don't know what type of player our stars will be at that time, or if they will be content waiting a couple years.

I would vote for option 1. Trade Wiseman and the pick if it can land you a Beal level star. MVP level Steph is the guy to build around, not Wiseman and a 2021 rookie. And this is coming from someone that is desperate to have Jalen Green on the Warriors lol.

You're right, Steph is the super star. He's the player to build around and sell out for. But I just don't believe Beal is that guy. He's a good player, but he's not guaranteeing this team becomes a favorite for the Finals. If that's the case, are we okay with seeing Wiseman possibly becoming a star on another team as well as that pick turning into another star just to give Steph a slightly better shot on paper because we think double the offense is better than defense? Remember, we became a juggernaut with KD because he brought offense and defense. Beal isn't that guy. And we don't have the same core we had years ago.

I'd argue there's about 3-5 players in the NBA who if we traded for them, we'd be the favorites in 2022, but not one of them is available and they are very unlikely to become available. KD, LeBron, AD, Giannis, and Luka.

If we're holding out for that, we're basically resigned to the 2nd route, and I think there's a very slim chance that the young players' talent aligns well with our big 3 and makes any significant noise in the playoffs

That is where I am at with this. If they are trading wiseman and the minny pick it needs to be worthwhile. You like Beal more than I do, he is a small 2 and it would bump Klay to SF, I don’t like the fit.

[killmongrel]

The question is can we win a title this year or next with Wiseman and the Minny pick being a net negative towards winning?

Steph is legendary, so i wouldn't put it past him, but the consensus would be no. So I really see two likely options at contending for a title:

1) Trade Wiseman and Minny pick so Steph can content for a title while he's still an MVP level player.

2) Keep Wiseman and the Minny pick and aim for contention when/if those guys are star level players.

I don't think either are a bad option, but the worry with number 2 is that there is no guarantee we nail the minny pick and we don't know what type of player our stars will be at that time, or if they will be content waiting a couple years.

I would vote for option 1. Trade Wiseman and the pick if it can land you a Beal level star. MVP level Steph is the guy to build around, not Wiseman and a 2021 rookie. And this is coming from someone that is desperate to have Jalen Green on the Warriors lol.

You're right, Steph is the super star. He's the player to build around and sell out for. But I just don't believe Beal is that guy. He's a good player, but he's not guaranteeing this team becomes a favorite for the Finals. If that's the case, are we okay with seeing Wiseman possibly becoming a star on another team as well as that pick turning into another star just to give Steph a slightly better shot on paper because we think double the offense is better than defense? Remember, we became a juggernaut with KD because he brought offense and defense. Beal isn't that guy. And we don't have the same core we had years ago.

I'd argue there's about 3-5 players in the NBA who if we traded for them, we'd be the favorites in 2022, but not one of them is available and they are very unlikely to become available. KD, LeBron, AD, Giannis, and Luka.

If we're holding out for that, we're basically resigned to the 2nd route, and I think there's a very slim chance that the young players' talent aligns well with our big 3 and makes any significant noise in the playoffs

And this is where I'm at. Unless we can put ourselves in a position where we'd be one of the favorites, what is the use of emptying our clip for somebody that doesn't take us there? I'd rather use the pick for instance to get us a good player and keep Wiseman or vice-versa than just gambling everything we have on somebody like Beal. If Lacob doesn't give a f about spending the money, then keep that Oubre salary slot alive and get somebody this season or this summer using assets like the Minny pick, salary slots like Oubre's and Looney's.

We can roll out a roster that has Steph/traded player/Wiggins/Draymond/Wiseman while we wait for Klay to return. Use the MLE and hope that vets bolster the roster.

[TB]

The question is can we win a title this year or next with Wiseman and the Minny pick being a net negative towards winning?

Steph is legendary, so i wouldn't put it past him, but the consensus would be no. So I really see two likely options at contending for a title:

1) Trade Wiseman and Minny pick so Steph can content for a title while he's still an MVP level player.

2) Keep Wiseman and the Minny pick and aim for contention when/if those guys are star level players.

I don't think either are a bad option, but the worry with number 2 is that there is no guarantee we nail the minny pick and we don't know what type of player our stars will be at that time, or if they will be content waiting a couple years.

I would vote for option 1. Trade Wiseman and the pick if it can land you a Beal level star. MVP level Steph is the guy to build around, not Wiseman and a 2021 rookie. And this is coming from someone that is desperate to have Jalen Green on the Warriors lol.

You're right, Steph is the super star. He's the player to build around and sell out for. But I just don't believe Beal is that guy. He's a good player, but he's not guaranteeing this team becomes a favorite for the Finals. If that's the case, are we okay with seeing Wiseman possibly becoming a star on another team as well as that pick turning into another star just to give Steph a slightly better shot on paper because we think double the offense is better than defense? Remember, we became a juggernaut with KD because he brought offense and defense. Beal isn't that guy. And we don't have the same core we had years ago.

Totally fair assessment.

I'm in the same situation as you in terms of being happy with the longterm plan if thats the way it goes; but also willing to sell Wiseman/Minny Pick for a star. I just rate Beal high enough to meet that criteria. For better or worse lol.

[killmongrel]

The question is can we win a title this year or next with Wiseman and the Minny pick being a net negative towards winning?

Steph is legendary, so i wouldn't put it past him, but the consensus would be no. So I really see two likely options at contending for a title:

1) Trade Wiseman and Minny pick so Steph can content for a title while he's still an MVP level player.

2) Keep Wiseman and the Minny pick and aim for contention when/if those guys are star level players.

I don't think either are a bad option, but the worry with number 2 is that there is no guarantee we nail the minny pick and we don't know what type of player our stars will be at that time, or if they will be content waiting a couple years.

I would vote for option 1. Trade Wiseman and the pick if it can land you a Beal level star. MVP level Steph is the guy to build around, not Wiseman and a 2021 rookie. And this is coming from someone that is desperate to have Jalen Green on the Warriors lol.

You're right, Steph is the super star. He's the player to build around and sell out for. But I just don't believe Beal is that guy. He's a good player, but he's not guaranteeing this team becomes a favorite for the Finals. If that's the case, are we okay with seeing Wiseman possibly becoming a star on another team as well as that pick turning into another star just to give Steph a slightly better shot on paper because we think double the offense is better than defense? Remember, we became a juggernaut with KD because he brought offense and defense. Beal isn't that guy. And we don't have the same core we had years ago.

Totally fair assessment.

I'm in the same situation as you in terms of being happy with the longterm plan if thats the way it goes; but also willing to sell Wiseman/Minny Pick for a star. I just rate Beal high enough to meet that criteria. For better or worse lol.

At least he's not DLO. So I wouldn't go on a shooting spree if we traded for him. But yeah I just don't see it. With that said, I am just gonna let the FO deal with the job of making the decision at the end of the day.

[wco81]

The question is can we win a title this year or next with Wiseman and the Minny pick being a net negative towards winning?

Steph is legendary, so i wouldn't put it past him, but the consensus would be no. So I really see two likely options at contending for a title:

1) Trade Wiseman and Minny pick so Steph can content for a title while he's still an MVP level player.

2) Keep Wiseman and the Minny pick and aim for contention when/if those guys are star level players.

I don't think either are a bad option, but the worry with number 2 is that there is no guarantee we nail the minny pick and we don't know what type of player our stars will be at that time, or if they will be content waiting a couple years.

I would vote for option 1. Trade Wiseman and the pick if it can land you a Beal level star. MVP level Steph is the guy to build around, not Wiseman and a 2021 rookie. And this is coming from someone that is desperate to have Jalen Green on the Warriors lol.

You're right, Steph is the super star. He's the player to build around and sell out for. But I just don't believe Beal is that guy. He's a good player, but he's not guaranteeing this team becomes a favorite for the Finals. If that's the case, are we okay with seeing Wiseman possibly becoming a star on another team as well as that pick turning into another star just to give Steph a slightly better shot on paper because we think double the offense is better than defense? Remember, we became a juggernaut with KD because he brought offense and defense. Beal isn't that guy. And we don't have the same core we had years ago.

I'd argue there's about 3-5 players in the NBA who if we traded for them, we'd be the favorites in 2022, but not one of them is available and they are very unlikely to become available. KD, LeBron, AD, Giannis, and Luka.

If we're holding out for that, we're basically resigned to the 2nd route, and I think there's a very slim chance that the young players' talent aligns well with our big 3 and makes any significant noise in the playoffs

Add Kawhi and PG13 to that list. Not that either would necessarily be available but if the Clippers at least don't make the WCF and push the Lakers, maybe there will be some discontent there.

But honestly, as a long-suffering Warriors fan, I think we pretty much had our generational championship run already.

If 2019 wasn't the sign from the basketball gods that it was over, then November 2020, with Klay getting injured again, should be the nail in the coffin.

I think anything they do for the rest of the Curry and Klay's careers is gravy at this point.

Doesn't mean I don't think they should pursue a big trade. Just that the moment has probably passed for Warriors fans.

I'd still absolutely trade JW and the Minnesota pick and other assets for the "right" move but I'd also be fine if the team decided to try to make JW and the guy they get with Minnesota's pick be the future cornerstones.

[FNQ]

You're right, Steph is the super star. He's the player to build around and sell out for. But I just don't believe Beal is that guy. He's a good player, but he's not guaranteeing this team becomes a favorite for the Finals. If that's the case, are we okay with seeing Wiseman possibly becoming a star on another team as well as that pick turning into another star just to give Steph a slightly better shot on paper because we think double the offense is better than defense? Remember, we became a juggernaut with KD because he brought offense and defense. Beal isn't that guy. And we don't have the same core we had years ago.

I'd argue there's about 3-5 players in the NBA who if we traded for them, we'd be the favorites in 2022, but not one of them is available and they are very unlikely to become available. KD, LeBron, AD, Giannis, and Luka.

If we're holding out for that, we're basically resigned to the 2nd route, and I think there's a very slim chance that the young players' talent aligns well with our big 3 and makes any significant noise in the playoffs

Add Kawhi and PG13 to that list. Not that either would necessarily be available but if the Clippers at least don't make the WCF and push the Lakers, maybe there will be some discontent there.

But honestly, as a long-suffering Warriors fan, I think we pretty much had our generational championship run already.

If 2019 wasn't the sign from the basketball gods that it was over, then November 2020, with Klay getting injured again, should be the nail in the coffin.

I think anything they do for the rest of the Curry and Klay's careers is gravy at this point.

Doesn't mean I don't think they should pursue a big trade. Just that the moment has probably passed for Warriors fans.

I'd still absolutely trade JW and the Minnesota pick and other assets for the "right" move but I'd also be fine if the team decided to try to make JW and the guy they get with Minnesota's pick be the future cornerstones.

I have Beal on the same level as PG13 and Kawhi.. I'd prefer Beal to Kawhi honestly. PG13 the same style player but taller. But again, Beal is pretty long (6'8 wingspan from a 6'3 guy) with a high BBIQ, and PG13 is unlikely to be available, so I'm taking what I can get there.

Frankly I'd prefer to address this in the offseason for various reasons. 1, it helps keep our 2021 pick at a nicer level. 2, Beal's value drops a bit as you'd only have 1 gtd year from him (2nd yr is PO), and 3, always better to go into the offseason with a plan for your roster, vs mixing it up mid season. At least for a team like us, that's true. We actually use a system.. very different than BKN, who have 3 iso specialists

[killmongrel]

I know it's a long shot, but something interesting I read from some Brooklyn fans is that they want defense. And the player they're dangling is Joe Harris. What are the chances they would take Oubre and what would it cost us.

[ChuckDurn]

I’ll assume a trade for Beal would have the Warriors trading all of Wiggins, Wiseman, and the Minnesota pick.

Hopefully we all agree that this season, we’d have no chance of being a contender with a starting lineup of Curry/Beal/Oubre/Draymond/Looney, and the only real depth at center/power forward being Paschall. As much offense as Curry and Beal would provide, we’d have so many offensive deficiencies elsewhere that we’d struggle to make the playoffs, much less advance beyond (at most) one round.

So what we’re really talking about is “what does the team look like, as the 2022 playoffs approach, and beyond.”

Option 1: keep the team intact (and hopefully get lucky with the Minnesota pick, getting the #4 or #5 pick)
Starters: Curry / Klay / Wiggins / Draymond / Wiseman (who is at the end of a second full season)
Key bench guys: Kuminga or Jalen Green, Paschall, Looney, Lee

Option 2: trade for Beal
Starters: Curry / Beal / Klay / Draymond / Looney?
Key bench guys: Paschall, Lee

Option 1 >>> Option 2, in my opinion, both for the 2022 playoffs, and beyond.

I’m assuming that the Wiseman we’ll see in about 15 months is waaaaaay better than what we currently see, both offensively and defensively. And keeping in mind, at that point Klay will be about 16-17 months removed from the Achilles injury.

I’m not sure anybody is going to want to go against that line-up in Option 1. Curry and Klay will demand enough attention that Wiseman will get much easier looks inside.

I’d say we should stay the course, at least as it pertains to making a move for Beal, or doing much of anything to disrupt what looks to be a nearly perfect starting line-up.

[killmongrel]

I’ll assume a trade for Beal would have the Warriors trading all of Wiggins, Wiseman, and the Minnesota pick.

Hopefully we all agree that this season, we’d have no chance of being a contender with a starting lineup of Curry/Beal/Oubre/Draymond/Looney, and the only real depth at center/power forward being Paschall. As much offense as Curry and Beal would provide, we’d have so many offensive deficiencies elsewhere that we’d struggle to make the playoffs, much less advance beyond (at most) one round.

So what we’re really talking about is “what does the team look like, as the 2022 playoffs approach, and beyond.”

Option 1: keep the team intact (and hopefully get lucky with the Minnesota pick, getting the #4 or #5 pick)
Starters: Curry / Klay / Wiggins / Draymond / Wiseman (who is at the end of a second full season)
Key bench guys: Kuminga or Jalen Green, Paschall, Looney, Lee

Option 2: trade for Beal
Starters: Curry / Beal / Klay / Draymond / Looney?
Key bench guys: Paschall, Lee

Option 1 >>> Option 2, in my opinion, both for the 2022 playoffs, and beyond.

I’m assuming that the Wiseman we’ll see in about 15 months is waaaaaay better than what we currently see, both offensively and defensively. And keeping in mind, at that point Klay will be about 16-17 months removed from the Achilles injury.

I’m not sure anybody is going to want to go against that line-up in Option 1. Curry and Klay will demand enough attention that Wiseman will get much easier looks inside.

I’d say we should stay the course, at least as it pertains to making a move for Beal, or doing much of anything to disrupt what looks to be a nearly perfect starting line-up.

Yeah, I just realized we'd have to do a deal that gets rid of Wiggins and Wiseman. This makes the deal look even worse than I thought. I don't know why I forgot this. A lineup of Steph/Beal/Klay/Draymond/Looney with Paschall, Lee, Mulder, Nico, Chriss, Poole, JTA, Smailagic is going to get the FO murdered. I know we'll get another player because of the salary differences, but is that guy significant enough? We also better pray that the MLE gets us a winner. I am just not cool with this.

[FNQ]

I’ll assume a trade for Beal would have the Warriors trading all of Wiggins, Wiseman, and the Minnesota pick.

Been pretty clear about Oubre being the ballast and Wiggins being retained.. the only time I see Wiggins involved is by people who are already poo-pooing the deal, and then are using Wiggins' inclusion as part of the reason. Seems pretty circular

Yeah, I just realized we'd have to do a deal that gets rid of Wiggins and Wiseman. This makes the deal look even worse than I thought. I don't know why I forgot this. A lineup of Steph/Beal/Klay/Draymond/Looney with Paschall, Lee, Mulder, Nico, Chriss, Poole, JTA, Smailagic is going to get the FO murdered. I know we'll get another player because of the salary differences, but is that guy significant enough? We also better pray that the MLE gets us a winner. I am just not cool with this.

Why do we have to again?

Also, the list of NBA caliber bigs who will be FAs and would take something around the BAE/min deal:

Robin Lopez
Nerlens Noel
Daniel Theis
Ed Davis
Javale McGee
Willie Cauley Stein
The BOBAN
Dwight Howard
Hassan Whiteside
Tony Bradley

Feels like we could pluck a 15mpg C out of there. We did before.. also I dont think there's much of a chance JTA, Smiley, Chriss, or Mulder is with the team next year. Mulder has a shot I guess. Chriss is a FA so almost definitely not, unless hes coming back as a min deal.

[wco81]

A Curry-Beal backcourt would be like the Blazers on steroids, offensively.

But Blazer teams haven't been able to break through, reaching the WCF only once.

It relies so much on both guards going off throughout the playoffs.

Lakers just trapped Lillard in the bubble playoffs and CJ couldn't hurt them enough. A few years before, Pelicans did the same.

[ahmetmekin]

A Curry-Beal backcourt would be like the Blazers on steroids, offensively.

But Blazer teams haven't been able to break through, reaching the WCF only once.

It relies so much on both guards going off throughout the playoffs.

Lakers just trapped Lillard in the bubble playoffs and CJ couldn't hurt them enough. A few years before, Pelicans did the same.

Assuming we keep Wiggins, you cannot trap Steph, while Dray is making plays for Wiggins Beal Klay. It will not work.
If Wiggins is traded in such a deal then we have to find someone like Wiggins in a deal involving Oubre.
I have no doubt that Beal would be terrific offensively but defense part is dependent upon other acquisitions.

[Ilovethebay]

Loving the back and forth going on in this thread today. It’s proof that “great minds” don’t necessarily think alike. I find myself going back and forth between the 2 options. If the Minnesota pick didn’t have protections this would be such an easy decision imo. Since that pick doesn’t necessarily have a high probability of being a difference maker (We don’t know where we will be picking and some picks just don’t pan out) I lean more on going all in with our core.

A Beal like player makes everyone on our team better (especially Dray). We run the risk of seeing Wiseman and the pick go on to be stars on other teams but we know that we can do some damage now with Klay and a Beal like player. At least we would not being giving up all of our future FRP’s like Brooklyn and Milwaukee..

[killmongrel]

I’ll assume a trade for Beal would have the Warriors trading all of Wiggins, Wiseman, and the Minnesota pick.

Been pretty clear about Oubre being the ballast and Wiggins being retained.. the only time I see Wiggins involved is by people who are already poo-pooing the deal, and then are using Wiggins' inclusion as part of the reason. Seems pretty circular

Yeah, I just realized we'd have to do a deal that gets rid of Wiggins and Wiseman. This makes the deal look even worse than I thought. I don't know why I forgot this. A lineup of Steph/Beal/Klay/Draymond/Looney with Paschall, Lee, Mulder, Nico, Chriss, Poole, JTA, Smailagic is going to get the FO murdered. I know we'll get another player because of the salary differences, but is that guy significant enough? We also better pray that the MLE gets us a winner. I am just not cool with this.

Why do we have to again?

Also, the list of NBA caliber bigs who will be FAs and would take something around the BAE/min deal:

Robin Lopez
Nerlens Noel
Daniel Theis
Ed Davis
Javale McGee
Willie Cauley Stein
The BOBAN
Dwight Howard
Hassan Whiteside
Tony Bradley

Feels like we could pluck a 15mpg C out of there. We did before.. also I dont think there's much of a chance JTA, Smiley, Chriss, or Mulder is with the team next year. Mulder has a shot I guess. Chriss is a FA so almost definitely not, unless hes coming back as a min deal.

You're right, we don't have to use it. We can trade 125% of Oubre's contract, Wiseman's, and fillers. My bad. Still don't like the deal and fit but it works. As for the candidates for center, with as much money as Lacob is spending to acquire Beal, they better pray somebody is coming in at the vet. minimum.

[ILOVEIT]

Oubre for JJ Redick....

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Solves the rediculous inconsistant play of Oubre....dramatically increases the Warriors IQ....and helps space the floor for Curry....

Also the kind of guy you want in the line up at the close of games...

[tarantism]

Wiseman and the Minnesota pick is not getting Beal. More picks would need be outgoing.

Harden got 4 picks and four swaps. If we count Wiseman as a draft pick, does anybody seriously think Beal is worth SIX PICKS less than James Harden? Or does Oubre - whom the Wiz already delt away once - somehow move the needle.

I think some people are in fairy tale land about Beals value on the trade market. If we do that trade, once Steph falls off we likely don't sniff the playoffs until 2030.

That seems like hyperbole but if we empty the chest then we will have no way to retool this roster. No draft picks, and Steph/Beal and possibly Klay/Wiggins sucking up our cap space.

[Ilovethebay]

Wiseman and the Minnesota pick is not getting Beal. More picks would need be outgoing.

Harden got 4 picks and four swaps. If we count Wiseman as a draft pick, does anybody seriously think Beal is worth SIX PICKS less than James Harden? Or does Oubre - whom the Wiz already delt away once - somehow move the needle.

I think some people are in fairy tale land about Beals value on the trade market. If we do that trade, once Steph falls off we likely don't sniff the playoffs until 2030.

That seems like hyperbole but if we empty the chest then we will have no way to retool this roster. No draft picks, and Steph/Beal and possibly Klay/Wiggins sucking up our cap space.

Point taken. But, the pics that Brooklyn and Milwaukee are giving up will be somewhere in the 25 to 31 range. We’re talking a former #2 that should have gone #1 pick an another top six pick. But your point still remains.

[FNQ]

Wiseman and the Minnesota pick is not getting Beal. More picks would need be outgoing.

Harden got 4 picks and four swaps. If we count Wiseman as a draft pick, does anybody seriously think Beal is worth SIX PICKS less than James Harden? Or does Oubre - whom the Wiz already delt away once - somehow move the needle.

I think some people are in fairy tale land about Beals value on the trade market. If we do that trade, once Steph falls off we likely don't sniff the playoffs until 2030.

That seems like hyperbole but if we empty the chest then we will have no way to retool this roster. No draft picks, and Steph/Beal and possibly Klay/Wiggins sucking up our cap space.

Point taken. But, the pics that Brooklyn and Milwaukee are giving up will be somewhere in the 25 to 31 range. We’re talking a former #2 that should have gone #1 pick an another top six pick. But your point still remains.

If you guys were rebuilding a team as a GM, would you want a smattering of picks years down the road that may be valuable? Or would you want high picks immediately? Consider that your job security in a rebuild is tenuous at best..

I really don’t think an offer like the Nets’ one is better than what we could offer to a GM right now