The Ringer: The Plight of Mo Bamba

[Skybox]

I think it is time to try and trade Bamba for anything, preferably a veteran PG that can contribute now or live with a bust til he expires and is a year or two from being out of the league. Because, he isn't going to get playing time anywhere else either or all of a sudden just get the game.

I KNOW it's time to trade everyone and anything that isn't bolted down in the arena. We need a COMPLETE demolish and build back up from scratch. I'm not going to pile on Bamba. This whole franchise is inept.

Magic drafting has been theme of sucking for years.
2014- Gordon Payton, left Lavine on the table ( far reaching hindsight- Jokic )
2015- Hezonja / alternatives Turner, Booker, Oubre,Grant, Rozier
2016- traded pick / alternatives Sabonis,Beasley, Levert, Dejounte Murray, Siakam
2017- Isaac , 25th pick / alternatives Adebayo, Mitchell // White, Kuzma, Thomas Bryant,
2018- Bamba , Frazier/ alternative: trading up for Young or Doncic, Carter ,Sexston, SGA, both Bridges, Porter jr.//// Mitchell Robinson, Bruce Bowen jr, Shake Milton

So let's just see what team Magic left on table in last 7 years:
PG: Murray, Young, SGA, Sexston, Doncic
SG: Booker, Mitchell, Lavine
SF: Siakam,Porter jr., Oubre, Grant, Mikal B.
PF: Kuzma, Miles Bridges
C: Adebayo, Mitchell Robinson, Sabonis, Turner... won't even include Jokic

It's laughable how much mistakes were made.

I put bold on allstar level players maybe i missed on somebody, but at apsolute worst even worst GMs would end up with at least ONE allstar in this drafts. We, somehow, ended up with zeerooo.

Understood...show me the team that doesn't have a list like this over 6 or 7 years.

[Bensational]

I KNOW it's time to trade everyone and anything that isn't bolted down in the arena. We need a COMPLETE demolish and build back up from scratch. I'm not going to pile on Bamba. This whole franchise is inept.

Magic drafting has been theme of sucking for years.
2014- Gordon Payton, left Lavine on the table ( far reaching hindsight- Jokic )
2015- Hezonja / alternatives Turner, Booker, Oubre,Grant, Rozier
2016- traded pick / alternatives Sabonis,Beasley, Levert, Dejounte Murray, Siakam
2017- Isaac , 25th pick / alternatives Adebayo, Mitchell // White, Kuzma, Thomas Bryant,
2018- Bamba , Frazier/ alternative: trading up for Young or Doncic, Carter ,Sexston, SGA, both Bridges, Porter jr.//// Mitchell Robinson, Bruce Bowen jr, Shake Milton

So let's just see what team Magic left on table in last 7 years:
PG: Murray, Young, SGA, Sexston, Doncic
SG: Booker, Mitchell, Lavine
SF: Siakam,Porter jr., Oubre, Grant, Mikal B.
PF: Kuzma, Miles Bridges
C: Adebayo, Mitchell Robinson, Sabonis, Turner... won't even include Jokic

It's laughable how much mistakes were made.

I put bold on allstar level players maybe i missed on somebody, but at apsolute worst even worst GMs would end up with at least ONE allstar in this drafts. We, somehow, ended up with zeerooo.

Understood...show me the team that doesn't have a list like this over 6 or 7 years.

I would actually challenge you to see what other teams have consistently drafted in the lottery over the same time frame who have come away with worse prospects. The Kings have Fox and Halliburton, Suns have Booker, Hawks have Trae and co. Even the Knicks have Barret at least.

Our BEST prospect is Isaac who’s too injured to know his true value. This franchise has been bottom of the barrel in terms of utilising the draft.

[thelead]

Magic drafting has been theme of sucking for years.
2014- Gordon Payton, left Lavine on the table ( far reaching hindsight- Jokic )
2015- Hezonja / alternatives Turner, Booker, Oubre,Grant, Rozier
2016- traded pick / alternatives Sabonis,Beasley, Levert, Dejounte Murray, Siakam
2017- Isaac , 25th pick / alternatives Adebayo, Mitchell // White, Kuzma, Thomas Bryant,
2018- Bamba , Frazier/ alternative: trading up for Young or Doncic, Carter ,Sexston, SGA, both Bridges, Porter jr.//// Mitchell Robinson, Bruce Bowen jr, Shake Milton

So let's just see what team Magic left on table in last 7 years:
PG: Murray, Young, SGA, Sexston, Doncic
SG: Booker, Mitchell, Lavine
SF: Siakam,Porter jr., Oubre, Grant, Mikal B.
PF: Kuzma, Miles Bridges
C: Adebayo, Mitchell Robinson, Sabonis, Turner... won't even include Jokic

It's laughable how much mistakes were made.

I put bold on allstar level players maybe i missed on somebody, but at apsolute worst even worst GMs would end up with at least ONE allstar in this drafts. We, somehow, ended up with zeerooo.

Understood...show me the team that doesn't have a list like this over 6 or 7 years.

I would actually challenge you to see what other teams have consistently drafted in the lottery over the same time frame who have come away with worse prospects. The Kings have Fox and Halliburton, Suns have Booker, Hawks have Trae and co. Even the Knicks have Barret at least.

Our BEST prospect is Isaac who’s too injured to know his true value. This franchise has been bottom of the barrel in terms of utilising the draft.

Yup. Imagine if we didn't have Vuc how bad the roster would look. Vuc single handedly kept us in mediocrity. Kept us from the top draft picks and not good enough to get us more than a few first round appearances.

[Skybox]

Really? You think Barrett's better than Isaac?...Knicks are one of several examples with very little to show from a decade in the lottery. I'm not happy at all with where we are but to list every guy we "missed" on is a bit simplistic. Everybody missed on the MVP and on Booker and Draymond and Donovan Mitchell and Gobert, etc etc...You're giving the Hawks credit for Trae (who you're incredibly critical of and who they gave away Doncic for). Enough with the foolishness. Gordon's got lots of problems but it's not like he'd be far removed from where he was picked that year. We DIDN'T bite on DSJ. Go back further and we didn't take the obvious Emeka Okafor over Dwight...like I said, if you're driving around looking for yellow cars, all you see are yellow cars. Lighten up.

[Skybox]

Really? You think Barrett's better than Isaac?...Knicks are one of several examples with very little to show from a decade in the lottery. I'm not happy at all with where we are but to list every guy we "missed" on is a bit simplistic. Everybody missed on the MVP and on Booker and Draymond and Donovan Mitchell and Gobert, etc etc...You're giving the Hawks credit for Trae (who you're incredibly critical of and who they gave away Doncic for). Enough with the foolishness. Gordon's got lots of problems but it's not like he'd be far removed from where he was picked that year. We DIDN'T bite on DSJ. Go back further and we didn't take the obvious Emeka Okafor over Dwight...like I said, if you're driving around looking for yellow cars, all you see are yellow cars. Lighten up.

You of all people, Pepe, crap all over the specific guys you just listed as our "misses"

Tell me again how we passed on Doncic?

[Bensational]

Really? You think Barrett's better than Isaac?...Knicks are one of several examples with very little to show from a decade in the lottery. I'm not happy at all with where we are but to list every guy we "missed" on is a bit simplistic. Everybody missed on the MVP and on Booker and Draymond and Donovan Mitchell and Gobert, etc etc...You're giving the Hawks credit for Trae (who you're incredibly critical of and who they gave away Doncic for). Enough with the foolishness. Gordon's got lots of problems but it's not like he'd be far removed from where he was picked that year. We DIDN'T bite on DSJ. Go back further and we didn't take the obvious Emeka Okafor over Dwight...like I said, if you're driving around looking for yellow cars, all you see are yellow cars. Lighten up.

Barret is really breaking out this year on a now competitive NYK team. He’s not a star but don’t sleep on him. His advantage over Isaac is that he can stay healthy.

Isaac is good, on one end of the court, but unfortunately the other end of the court wins more games in this era. You can build a defense around Isaac but not an offense, and not a team.

[IllMagic04]

I have no clue who this is, but this guy nailed it back in summer of 2018 why Orlando and Bamba are flat out bad picks.
https://lastwordonsports.com/basketball/2018/06/24/why-mo-bamba-was-a-bad-pick/

article is in link above just one paragraph about quality of article, that is, i repeat, written days after a draft

The interesting suggestion in here is that Memphis was taking offers. If we could have leapfrogged Dallas, we could have forced Atlanta's hand on Doncic.

We pick Trae at 4, and Atlanta wants Trae. We could have ended up with Doncic.

Would the FO have had the stones to use #6 and an unprotected first (ended up being 16, maybe lower with Doncic or Trae) to move up two spots. I think we know the answer, and it is unsettling.

If I am Alex Martins or the ownership group, I am asking Hammond/Weltman why we didn't get one of the point guards that year, when they were just out of reach. Did they value a future first over one of those guys? Surely they knew what Dallas and Atlanta had going on, and what the price was.

Yup this is litterally what Ive seen saying since that trade leaked. It leaked the day before the draft. I woulda thrown the house to move up from 6 to 4. Walking out of that draft empty handed is a fireable offense.

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[Knightro]

We've been around this block a million times about the 2018 draft.

Atlanta was locked in to coming away with either Doncic at 3 or Young and a future 1st at 5. Memphis was dead set on coming away with JJJ.

Atlanta was NOT under any realistic circumstances going to trade back to 6 because they could not guarantee that the Mavericks wouldn't take Young at 5 which would then mean they missed out on both Luka AND Trae both.

It's the same thing for Memphis. That article can say the Grizzlies were shopping their pick, but ultimately they didn't move it. Which means the only thing we can realistically take from that is that Memphis was not comfortable moving back to 6 from 4 because they were unwilling to risk Dallas taking JJJ at 5 once Luka/Trae went off the board at 3 and 4.

Even if they were willing to give up their 2019 1st round pick, the Magic, unfortunately, were just one pick too far back to make a deal happen.