bondom34 wrote:Wait I was spamming?
If you just want to take wild stances and have nobody call it out, idk. But personal attacks (not at me, just in general), not cool.
It was a bad, indefensible take.
Trust me if I personally attacked you, you’d know it.
Yes you did spam.
I would’ve never brought up Conley/Gobert with and without lineups if I thought someone would actually make me talk about it for 2 straight pages.
And talk about it as in down play it as a point because it was a very small example to show how illogical saying Gobert is carrying Conley to high level lineup performance was. Gobert has no precedence at doing that. Conley is a proven star in the league. BTW - No Mitchell and Favors. Gobert and Conley stopped sharing a lot of court minutes.
Conley’s on/off blew up HIGHER after two more games. This guy is at over +20.3 per 100 possessions on the court. +30.9 on/off. The sample size is large and getting larger.
Gobert’s went down. And he visibly struggled with penetration and foul trouble without Conley out there. So that fundamentally bad argument is very dead now.
See, extreme levels of output don’t make me more skeptical. That doesn’t make any sense at all. But this is consistent and real.
But I know you’ll do again anyway because that’s all you’ve done.
The reality is this, I’m basing most of Utah’s playing far better on Conley’s playing far better.
The +/- trends strongly in that direction and so does common sense. I know I have a foundation of ideas on what happens on the court that people don’t agree with or understand that gets me to believe that but those ideas are not complicated.
Stuff like, in general in order to have an elite two-way team, you need two-way players. Gobert is not one and the rest of the roster is on the fringes, to me. Outside Conley, Ingles and O’Neale.
Or a difference of **** +2.5 to +8.5 on the same roster needs to be explained by SOMETHING.
What I’m saying actually explains it. Nothing anyone in here has said has come close to logically quantifying it.
No one here would’ve ever assumed Utah would play like this before the season. Why the hell would I just go with conventional wisdom at all on this topic? No one here even believes in talent level of this team relative to performance which is why these flimsy arguments about noise and luck come in. That’s a form of bad faith arguing.
Utah is at the top of the league without any MVP level players,
in essence according to people here. I’m never gonna talk about narratives but actual merit. Kawhi would be my MVP if I had an image to uphold as someone who looks at the NBA but even he isn’t gonna get it. I know no one on Utah will.
Either the supposed MVP level players around the league aren’t at that level in essence, or someone on Utah is. But on supposed talent, this shouldn’t be happening at all. On performance, I think Conley’s defensive awareness is amazing and he’s mid strengths with his foot speed and hands are being optimized in Utah’s aggressive perimeter scheme.
As well as a great Gobert year and good support.
But again, I can’t stress how simple looking at last years team makes this. If that confuses you or you don’t have the ability to even attempt to quantity it then the way you measure teams and ultimately players is flawed.
Swinging for the fences.
