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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1821 » by Norseman79 » Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:06 pm

Jedzz wrote:
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Domejandro wrote:Take out Knox and Okogie, add in Jake Layman, and I would do it. Pick negotiations would need to happen, but that is roughly the trade I would do.


I used Knox as a salary fill, though I do like him as a SF. He isn't a deal breaker to me.

The reason I included Okoge is Thibs. I believe Thibs drafted him and he fits a need for the Knicks. Our primary goal here is getting an unprotected 1. We have no reason to keep Okoge, he doesn't move the needle and he is about to make more money.

****As long as DLo is going out and a 1 is coming back, I am in.****


Are you sure the Knicks and Thibs aren't focused on getting LaVine?

It really astounds me how badly people here want a 2021 frp. It seems they will die if they don't have their draft excitement.

Now we also want to shed salary for capspace again. Because they can fill it with...Nothing

Has everyone forgot how much better this was looking last spring?

One offseason of mistakes, one offseason of people getting hypnotized by draft hype, draft values, all because we had another #1 overall. Are you expecting a third? Will that one amaze?

If you are making trades, the team has to start trading for players that can shoot or they just shouldn't trade. Has Rosas not moved enough empty pieces in and out for you yet? Getting a FRP doesn't secure you a useful player. For this team the odds seem like winning a real lottery.

The goal should be to not waste what was started last spring. They should be willingg to move Edwards or whichever young asset can bring in a usable pro that can at least be average shooter here, preferebly a forward with size and a shot. Maybe from a team looking for more youngsters who is actually on a longer trajectory. Instead of trying to turn this team into yet another longterm kids group. I would prefer the ages start to stay above 24 and they build this thing like was originally planned. Anyone remember "the timeline" you pushed so hard?


Jedzz, you are a good poster and I completely respect your take, but it is based on a few opinions that I just don't buy into. Even if this team was fully healthy, I am not sure they compete in the West. Opinion 1, DLo and Kat are a great pairing that will work and vault the Wolves up the West. I just disagree and both have too many proven holes in their games and neither has shown the ability to raise the level of players around them. Opinion 2 Kat is happy here and will want to stay in the future. Don't buy it in the slightest. He wants a coast, my guess is big market as well. Why do I say that? Gut feeling, as in my opinion.

Jedzz, you are right, the best way to compete is to start looking for, trading for, sign guys who can SHOOT, but those guys aren't easy to get, easy to find, and as indicated by last summer, don't want to play here. Remember, we also need these guys to play defense and rebound, as well as be able to shoot.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1822 » by IceManBK1 » Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:56 pm

Read on Twitter
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Nets trying to build HOF team...If i were Rosas, i try to offer Edwards and "anyone" besides "dlo and towns" for Lavine and Markannen. Dlo and Lavine will be better combo than Dlo and Beasley..honestly seems like Beasley has ultimate green light to shoot. I barely see him pass. Rather he likes to force issues to get his points. Lavine is better shot creator and can also play off ball. That will benefit Dlo more.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1823 » by Guidus88 » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:09 pm

I have already written several times that we have to rebuilt and try to get the best out of our “assets”.

What do you think about a trade centered around DAR vs L.Ball and a late 1st?
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Post#1824 » by Neeva » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:13 pm

Why would Charlotte consider that? unless you mean Lonzo?
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Post#1825 » by Guidus88 » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:37 pm

Neeva wrote:Why would Charlotte consider that? unless you mean Lonzo?


Yes, I’m referring to lonzo!
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1826 » by Jedzz » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:43 pm

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Jedzz, you are a good poster and I completely respect your take, but it is based on a few opinions that I just don't buy into. Even if this team was fully healthy, I am not sure they compete in the West. Opinion 1, DLo and Kat are a great pairing that will work and vault the Wolves up the West. I just disagree and both have too many proven holes in their games and neither has shown the ability to raise the level of players around them. Opinion 2 Kat is happy here and will want to stay in the future. Don't buy it in the slightest. He wants a coast, my guess is big market as well. Why do I say that? Gut feeling, as in my opinion.

Jedzz, you are right, the best way to compete is to start looking for, trading for, sign guys who can SHOOT, but those guys aren't easy to get, easy to find, and as indicated by last summer, don't want to play here. Remember, we also need these guys to play defense and rebound, as well as be able to shoot.


Opinion 1 review: You say the team can't win much with Dlo/Kat in the West. Utah is third in West right now and Dlo/Kat and team beat them already. We only have 4 games of KAT this season so far and the team went .500 amongst all this trial and error of making the young draft picks fit or selling them in the store front. This team only needs to committ to winning as the only goal and it will start winning more. Then use some of it's young assets to get another piece and it's noise time. That's this year or next. Could have started this year. Can easily be next season.

On Opinion 2, your gut feeling on Kat wanting out. Who cares until that day he pressures out or chooses not to committ verbally before a final season. That moment is still two more seasons away and like with Giannis situation it might even go into that final season before figured out. So 2 to 2.5 seasons after this one and there is still 54 games left in this one. After two more seasons if you want to trade him as an expiring or he wants out then, get a great haul and move on.

Look I'm not sure I've seen Towns play a 20 game stretch here since the Butler season. So if you guys want to trade him now with 3 years beyond this season still on contract clearly that's going to be worth something and they could rebuild a team with it if done right. I'm not going to balk. But it has to be done right. I truly disdain some of these trade suggestions of him that only seem to be concerned about getting the Wolves 2021 pick back from Warriors or some other singular pick back. We are talking about a 40% 3pt shooting Big who can also drive a rim from 25 ft out, rule with a post game if you want, rock a pick n roll, whatever. It's this team's fault for not doing more with him already. That doesn't change his value. Any team getting Towns right now that is already well into the playoff discussion is going straight to the finals and they will have him locked up for three more seasons afterwards. If it's a team constantly exiting first rounds, they are likely then threatoning to reach the finals. What would Mavs be with him right now? Celtics? Lord...Nets? Clippers? Miami? Portland? Add him to a Hawks team and change their future, Wizards, Grizzlies? Any team he goes to that already has something interesting going is going to explode in a good way and for years. So, I'm going to want to see something coming back larger than any of the so called big trades that have happened in recent seasons for ancient guards/wings. This team needs twice as many picks then most to find players. They likely never find a Towns level player again. Someone would have to pay up to make Timberwolves go back down that weary path.

Go for your Towns trades talk if you want. But let's then get serious about what that offer needs to be. We start there. We don't start by widdling away those around him and therefore asking him to force out and deplete his value. Dlo doesn't go first. If you guys really want a pick for next draft, then look at moving other assets.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1827 » by Norseman79 » Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:32 am

Jedzz wrote:
Norseman79 wrote:
Jedzz, you are a good poster and I completely respect your take, but it is based on a few opinions that I just don't buy into. Even if this team was fully healthy, I am not sure they compete in the West. Opinion 1, DLo and Kat are a great pairing that will work and vault the Wolves up the West. I just disagree and both have too many proven holes in their games and neither has shown the ability to raise the level of players around them. Opinion 2 Kat is happy here and will want to stay in the future. Don't buy it in the slightest. He wants a coast, my guess is big market as well. Why do I say that? Gut feeling, as in my opinion.

Jedzz, you are right, the best way to compete is to start looking for, trading for, sign guys who can SHOOT, but those guys aren't easy to get, easy to find, and as indicated by last summer, don't want to play here. Remember, we also need these guys to play defense and rebound, as well as be able to shoot.


Opinion 1 review: You say the team can't win much with Dlo/Kat in the West. Utah is third in West right now and Dlo/Kat and team beat them already. We only have 4 games of KAT this season so far and the team went .500 amongst all this trial and error of making the young draft picks fit or selling them in the store front. This team only needs to committ to winning as the only goal and it will start winning more. Then use some of it's young assets to get another piece and it's noise time. That's this year or next. Could have started this year. Can easily be next season.

On Opinion 2, your gut feeling on Kat wanting out. Who cares until that day he pressures out or chooses not to committ verbally before a final season. That moment is still two more seasons away and like with Giannis situation it might even go into that final season before figured out. So 2 to 2.5 seasons after this one and there is still 54 games left in this one. After two more seasons if you want to trade him as an expiring or he wants out then, get a great haul and move on.

Look I'm not sure I've seen Towns play a 20 game stretch here since the Butler season. So if you guys want to trade him now with 3 years beyond this season still on contract clearly that's going to be worth something and they could rebuild a team with it if done right. I'm not going to balk. But it has to be done right. I truly disdain some of these trade suggestions of him that only seem to be concerned about getting the Wolves 2021 pick back from Warriors or some other singular pick back. We are talking about a 40% 3pt shooting Big who can also drive a rim from 25 ft out, rule with a post game if you want, rock a pick n roll, whatever. It's this team's fault for not doing more with him already. That doesn't change his value. Any team getting Towns right now that is already well into the playoff discussion is going straight to the finals and they will have him locked up for three more seasons afterwards. If it's a team constantly exiting first rounds, they are likely then threatoning to reach the finals. What would Mavs be with him right now? Celtics? Lord...Nets? Clippers? Miami? Portland? Add him to a Hawks team and change their future, Wizards, Grizzlies? Any team he goes to that already has something interesting going is going to explode in a good way and for years. So, I'm going to want to see something coming back larger than any of the so called big trades that have happened in recent seasons for ancient guards/wings. This team needs twice as many picks then most to find players. They likely never find a Towns level player again. Someone would have to pay up to make Timberwolves go back down that weary path.

Go for your Towns trades talk if you want. But let's then get serious about what that offer needs to be. We start there. We don't start by widdling away those around him and therefore asking him to force out and deplete his value. Dlo doesn't go first. If you guys really want a pick for next draft, then look at moving other assets.



I have said I wouldn't consider moving Towns until after the lottery for various reasons, but an example for me would be...

Towns and Russell to the Knicks

Randal, Smith Jr, Knox, Mitchell Robinson, Bullock, Ntilikina, 2021 1, 2022 1, 2023 1, 2024 1, 2025 -2027 right to switch 1's, Knicks 2nd rounders next 5 years
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1828 » by Jedzz » Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:08 am

Norseman79 wrote:
Jedzz wrote:Go for your Towns trades talk if you want. But let's then get serious about what that offer needs to be. We start there. We don't start by widdling away those around him and therefore asking him to force out and deplete his value. Dlo doesn't go first. If you guys really want a pick for next draft, then look at moving other assets.



I have said I wouldn't consider moving Towns until after the lottery for various reasons, but an example for me would be...

Towns and Russell to the Knicks

Randal, Smith Jr, Knox, Mitchell Robinson, Bullock, Ntilikina, 2021 1, 2022 1, 2023 1, 2024 1, 2025 -2027 right to switch 1's, Knicks 2nd rounders next 5 years


With all those FRPs in consecutive years I'm assuming they have other team's firsts to give away or keep? I have no idea if the GM there is sold on those two together or what they have left to play with after giving up so much. I do want to see a huge package sort of like that, but what does their team look like after that? I've been assuming a team comingg after Towns would need to partner with other teams to combine assets so no one team gets destroyed by the deal needed. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1829 » by Jedzz » Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:11 am

Trade the kids and let's make a run if KAT is coming back soon?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6chzgla

Rubio, Edwards, Culver, Davis, Layman for Griffen, Rose, Saddiq Bey, filler Lee

Kat/Reid
Griffen/Vando/Juancho
Saddiq Bey/McDaniels
Beasley/Okogie/Nowell
Dlo/Rose/JMac

Pistons keep their 2021 right now if 1-16 otherwise Houston gets it. So not sure if they can include that directly or not as additional but would like it as two of the players likely are 1/2 year rentals. If so, we kick back a second.

This team would have significantly improved shooting and game IQ right now, improved size. Still have Bey for longterm. Much less role confusion. No long term deals hanging over head. Others could be included after February from both teams. Juancho, Ellington, others.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1830 » by Wolveswin » Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:42 am

Jedzz wrote:Trade the kids and let's make a run if KAT is coming back soon?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6chzgla

Rubio, Edwards, Culver, Davis, Layman for Griffen, Rose, Saddiq Bey, filler Lee

Kat/Reid
Griffen/Vando/Juancho
Saddiq Bey/McDaniels
Beasley/Okogie/Nowell
Dlo/Rose/JMac

Pistons keep their 2021 right now if 1-16 otherwise Houston gets it. So not sure if they can include that directly or not as additional but would like it as two of the players likely are 1/2 year rentals. If so, we kick back a second.

This team would have significantly improved shooting and game IQ right now, improved size. Still have Bey for longterm. Much less role confusion. No long term deals hanging over head. Others could be included after February from both teams. Juancho, Ellington, others.

Wow, that is just terrible. If Pistons added their unprotected 2021 (which they would never do) maybe it could be saved.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1831 » by Jedzz » Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:03 pm

Wolveswin wrote:
Jedzz wrote:Trade the kids and let's make a run if KAT is coming back soon?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6chzgla

Rubio, Edwards, Culver, Davis, Layman for Griffen, Rose, Saddiq Bey, filler Lee

Kat/Reid
Griffen/Vando/Juancho
Saddiq Bey/McDaniels
Beasley/Okogie/Nowell
Dlo/Rose/JMac

Pistons keep their 2021 right now if 1-16 otherwise Houston gets it. So not sure if they can include that directly or not as additional but would like it as two of the players likely are 1/2 year rentals. If so, we kick back a second.

This team would have significantly improved shooting and game IQ right now, improved size. Still have Bey for longterm. Much less role confusion. No long term deals hanging over head. Others could be included after February from both teams. Juancho, Ellington, others.

Wow, that is just terrible. If Pistons added their unprotected 2021 (which they would never do) maybe it could be saved.


That's why I wanted their first. Just not sure if it's available. I don't think it's terrible either way though. Still walk away with a good player in Bey longterm, and get two players that can already play the NBA game in big ways. That's a lot more than say just trading the #1 pick on draft day for a single established PF. They may not be your ideal 26-27 year old. But they don't need to be, gameIQ and playoff level experience are what this team is missing. Use it. Just depends on whether Detroit would want to decide to go into development mode with Edwards/Culver for future. We really don't have that luxury to do both.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1832 » by Wolveswin » Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:15 pm

Jedzz wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:
Jedzz wrote:Trade the kids and let's make a run if KAT is coming back soon?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6chzgla

Rubio, Edwards, Culver, Davis, Layman for Griffen, Rose, Saddiq Bey, filler Lee

Kat/Reid
Griffen/Vando/Juancho
Saddiq Bey/McDaniels
Beasley/Okogie/Nowell
Dlo/Rose/JMac

Pistons keep their 2021 right now if 1-16 otherwise Houston gets it. So not sure if they can include that directly or not as additional but would like it as two of the players likely are 1/2 year rentals. If so, we kick back a second.

This team would have significantly improved shooting and game IQ right now, improved size. Still have Bey for longterm. Much less role confusion. No long term deals hanging over head. Others could be included after February from both teams. Juancho, Ellington, others.

Wow, that is just terrible. If Pistons added their unprotected 2021 (which they would never do) maybe it could be saved.


That's why I wanted their first. Just not sure if it's available. I don't think it's terrible either way though. Still walk away with a good player in Bey longterm, and get two players that can already play the NBA game in big ways. That's a lot more than say just trading the #1 pick on draft day for a single established PF. They may not be your ideal 26-27 year old. But they don't need to be, gameIQ and playoff level experience are what this team is missing. Use it. Just depends on whether Detroit would want to decide to go into development mode with Edwards/Culver for future. We really don't have that luxury to do both.

Griffen is a top 10 NBA worst contract. Not taking back a bad contract, cost Pistons a 1st just for other teams to listen. Which they can’t and won’t do. They own a multi year protected 1st, so only 1st they can add is risking their top 5 pick — and they have zero motivation as tanking team to unload Griffen at a cost or of course come close to risking their top 5 1st. Deal is DOA.

Only deal Wolves have with Pistons is Russell for Griffen. But then risk alienating Towns for why? Griffen wouldn’t propel Wolves forward.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1833 » by Norseman79 » Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:29 pm

Jedzz wrote:
Norseman79 wrote:
Jedzz wrote:Go for your Towns trades talk if you want. But let's then get serious about what that offer needs to be. We start there. We don't start by widdling away those around him and therefore asking him to force out and deplete his value. Dlo doesn't go first. If you guys really want a pick for next draft, then look at moving other assets.



I have said I wouldn't consider moving Towns until after the lottery for various reasons, but an example for me would be...

Towns and Russell to the Knicks

Randal, Smith Jr, Knox, Mitchell Robinson, Bullock, Ntilikina, 2021 1, 2022 1, 2023 1, 2024 1, 2025 -2027 right to switch 1's, Knicks 2nd rounders next 5 years


With all those FRPs in consecutive years I'm assuming they have other team's firsts to give away or keep? I have no idea if the GM there is sold on those two together or what they have left to play with after giving up so much. I do want to see a huge package sort of like that, but what does their team look like after that? I've been assuming a team comingg after Towns would need to partner with other teams to combine assets so no one team gets destroyed by the deal needed. Maybe I'm wrong.


Knicks have two firsts in those years from Mavs in Porzingis trade. I was considering even pushing for more, but five consecutive years of multiple firsts you better be able to build.

The package of players coming back are almost all expiring, no intention on keeping a majority of them, it was to make cap work with trade.

Ideally, this is the type of haul I would want. But again, I am not moving Towns until the lotto is set and I know if we have kept our pick or not.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1834 » by Jedzz » Sun Jan 31, 2021 3:12 pm

Wolveswin wrote:Griffen is a top 10 NBA worst contract.

He only has one year after this season left. If nothing about this worked he's a big contract for an expiring trade that allows you to match another bigtime player. Not sure what your issue is on his contract. We match with what we are moving out and really have no need for those players.

-Bringing Rose back brings a player that can perform in this system and can actually handle some of the stupid two PG rotations Saunders/Rosas will never give up on.
-Getting Bey corrects the wrongs of the past draft move that logjammed the roster construction. This is a good player from that draft in a position this team really needs.
-Griffen at 6-9 250 brings viable size and experience to this team. He won't be forced to run 30-35 minutes here.
Run to the playoffs.
I'm not sure of what all you were saying about this. Were you also saying Detroit wouldn't do it? Not sure I understand about your top 5 pick talk, maybe you can explain further. Their multi year pick is protected for them 1-16. I don't know what else they have without looking more.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1835 » by Jedzz » Sun Jan 31, 2021 3:14 pm

Norseman79 wrote:
Jedzz wrote:
Norseman79 wrote:

I have said I wouldn't consider moving Towns until after the lottery for various reasons, but an example for me would be...

Towns and Russell to the Knicks

Randal, Smith Jr, Knox, Mitchell Robinson, Bullock, Ntilikina, 2021 1, 2022 1, 2023 1, 2024 1, 2025 -2027 right to switch 1's, Knicks 2nd rounders next 5 years


With all those FRPs in consecutive years I'm assuming they have other team's firsts to give away or keep? I have no idea if the GM there is sold on those two together or what they have left to play with after giving up so much. I do want to see a huge package sort of like that, but what does their team look like after that? I've been assuming a team comingg after Towns would need to partner with other teams to combine assets so no one team gets destroyed by the deal needed. Maybe I'm wrong.


Knicks have two firsts in those years from Mavs in Porzingis trade. I was considering even pushing for more, but five consecutive years of multiple firsts you better be able to build.

The package of players coming back are almost all expiring, no intention on keeping a majority of them, it was to make cap work with trade.

Ideally, this is the type of haul I would want. But again, I am not moving Towns until the lotto is set and I know if we have kept our pick or not.
Cool. Just wondering what keeping our pick or not has to do with anything. On the players, Randle and Robinson are all good. Seems like a lot for one team to give.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1836 » by Wolveswin » Sun Jan 31, 2021 3:22 pm

Jedzz wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:Griffen is a top 10 NBA worst contract.

He only has one year after this season left. If nothing about this worked he's a big contract for an expiring trade that allows you to match another bigtime player. Not sure what your issue is on his contract. We match with what we are moving out and really have no need for those players.

-Bringing Rose back brings a player that can perform in this system and can actually handle some of the stupid two PG rotations Saunders/Rosas will never give up on.
-Getting Bey corrects the wrongs of the past draft move that logjammed the roster construction. This is a good player from that draft in a position this team really needs.
-Griffen at 6-9 250 brings viable size and experience to this team. He won't be forced to run 30-35 minutes here.
Run to the playoffs.
I'm not sure of what all you were saying about this. Were you also saying Detroit wouldn't do it? Not sure I understand about your top 5 pick talk, maybe you can explain further. Their multi year pick is protected for them 1-16. I don't know what else they have without looking more.

Re Pistons 1st: protected all the way until 2027. So they can not trade their 1st any time soon. Even reverse protections may be impossible because risk of consecutive 1sts scenario happening. So, only way for Pistons to trade a 1st is unprotect that Rockets 1st and risk their top 5 (3?) 1st as they tank. Not happening.

Griffen: right now sits on TNT board of voted on worst contracts in league. Not only is that a true opinion in my eyes but that of many.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1837 » by Norseman79 » Sun Jan 31, 2021 3:39 pm

Jedzz wrote:
Norseman79 wrote:
Jedzz wrote:
With all those FRPs in consecutive years I'm assuming they have other team's firsts to give away or keep? I have no idea if the GM there is sold on those two together or what they have left to play with after giving up so much. I do want to see a huge package sort of like that, but what does their team look like after that? I've been assuming a team comingg after Towns would need to partner with other teams to combine assets so no one team gets destroyed by the deal needed. Maybe I'm wrong.


Knicks have two firsts in those years from Mavs in Porzingis trade. I was considering even pushing for more, but five consecutive years of multiple firsts you better be able to build.

The package of players coming back are almost all expiring, no intention on keeping a majority of them, it was to make cap work with trade.

Ideally, this is the type of haul I would want. But again, I am not moving Towns until the lotto is set and I know if we have kept our pick or not.
Cool. Just wondering what keeping our pick or not has to do with anything. On the players, Randle and Robinson are all good. Seems like a lot for one team to give.



In my vision, if we keep our pick, I am looking to deal Kat for the 1 (or the two if we get the 1) and a similar package to what I outlined above. And solely for the reason that I see the combination of Suggs with either Cunningham or Mobley as a transcendent addition/beginning to what we have. Would we take a step back? Not from where we are now. That is the crazy part.

Suggs
Edwards
Cunningham/McDaniels
McDaniels/Mobley

(Depending Cunningham or Mobley)That 1-4 can handle, shoot, defend, and pass.
Suggs is a legit leader/floor general. That kid is a walking triple double. He doesn't need the ball to impact the game.

In reference to your Harden ball statement and Edwards, I get that concern, and Edwards looks different playing with JMac. That is a compliment to JMac because I think he is a pg, DLo is a 2 guard who can play point. How much does it change if a strong coach puts in an actual system that works....instead of...whatever..it is...we..are doing?
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1838 » by Slim Tubby » Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:58 pm

Jedzz wrote:Trade the kids and let's make a run if KAT is coming back soon?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6chzgla

Rubio, Edwards, Culver, Davis, Layman for Griffen, Rose, Saddiq Bey, filler Lee

Kat/Reid
Griffen/Vando/Juancho
Saddiq Bey/McDaniels
Beasley/Okogie/Nowell
Dlo/Rose/JMac

Pistons keep their 2021 right now if 1-16 otherwise Houston gets it. So not sure if they can include that directly or not as additional but would like it as two of the players likely are 1/2 year rentals. If so, we kick back a second.

This team would have significantly improved shooting and game IQ right now, improved size. Still have Bey for longterm. Much less role confusion. No long term deals hanging over head. Others could be included after February from both teams. Juancho, Ellington, others.

I’d prefer to include Russell instead of Edwards but there’s no doubt IMO that this trade makes us better.

C Towns/Reid/Vanderbilt
PF Griffin/McDaniels
SF Bey/Okogie
SG Edwards/Beasley
PG Rose/McGlaughlin
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1839 » by IceManBK1 » Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:12 pm

Now that Randle balling for the knicks you think knicks willing to trade Obi Toppin? Sth like Toppin, Noel, Bullocks for Rubio, Culver and Layman.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1840 » by Domejandro » Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:43 pm

Blake Griffin has had a disastrous season thus far, Minnesota would never do a trade that destructive to the team.

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