PG: Clippers at Knicks

[RHODEY]

We have by far the easiest schedule left in the half (I think 16 games left). Toughest opponent might be Indy. We’re gonna be decent through mid March.

We lost to the kings, thunder, hornets etc. we are going to struggle against the bad teams too.

Yep, we still aren’t there. Especially talent wise, some of those crap teams have more talent and if they put effort in those games will be competitive. The kings being a great example. They suck but woke up for us and we had a tough game we then loss.

This summer between all our assets we should be able to make up that loss ground

KIngs more talented than us? I kinda dont see it.

[whocares1]

RJ’s emergence is lowkey the best part of this season.

[blueNorange]

look at this **** man, WIDE OPEN ... it's been a thing all season long.

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[3toheadmelo]

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[Jeff Van Gully]

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[DOT]

Quickley is in a Catch-22

If he plays well, to Thibs that means it's the right move to keep him on the bench

If he plays bad, then that's all the more reason to not start him and in fact is a reason to give him less minutes

Just a lose-lose situation.

I mean he has the keys to the team in the second unit, and he’s a floor spacer and an afterthought on the first unit. RJ, Randle, and Quickley are all most effective with the ball in their hands so for now it’s not crazy to let the kid run the second unit.

But at the same time, you don't have to only play them together

You stagger the lineups so they all play together for a good bit, but all have the opportunity to run the show, but all play together the first 6 and last 6 of each half

Limiting Quickley to just playing on the 2nd unit makes us worse overall as a team.

[J9Starks3]

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Even if the Nets won the chip, the back page of the NY Post would be IQ holding up the ROY trophy....

[thebuzzardman]

That range actually has better success throughout history than 8th. Those 12-15 picks seem to usually land gold

I'd rather be picking 1-5

We still might with the Mavs pick

You have no idea how badly I want KP to be the Mav's Eddy Curry.

[Oscirus]

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thats painful, you see this dude wide open just give up when he sees whats happening

[robillionaire]

On one hand starting quickley improves the starting lineup, on the other hand it would absolutely destroy our bench.
We were fine until that one sequence with jackson so im not gonna kill him too much on that fact

If Payton was the guy coming off the bench, it would destroy our bench. Payton automatically destroys any lineup he’s inserted in with his terrible skillset. If they made frank backup PG maybe they can salvage something

we'd have the same scoring issues with frank. barring an unforseen improvement with dsj, we're likely not gonna have the scoring off the bench to justify iq being a starter.

But don’t have the scoring in the starting lineup to justify him not being a starter. The starters are putrid offensively. Rather a bench struggles to score than the starting lineup

[NYK Dolemite]

Tons of flights cancelled at O'Hare today. Wonder if Knicks get to Chicago on time for tomorrow's game with this truly monstrous storm stretching from here back near Chi.

My walk calmed me down, but I still feel like we didn't give ourselves the best chance to win. Even if you are wedded to starting Payton (which is insane, I'd rather start Bullock and Burks in the backcourt until Frank can get his ass off the eternal DL) you gotta cap him at like 12-15 minutes a game.

I really think Thibs is trying to tank while be competitive. It's a tough line to walk and it's probably total bull -- but waiting until there was 5:30 to go to put your best lineup out there was upsetting to me. Q was heroic in getting them back into the game, but Thibs just threw the game -- or any real shot to win -- by keeping him out there with Rivers -- who was clearly scared to shoot today, Obi -- who is just learning his game at this level of physical talent, Taj Gibson (insane he played 20 minutes -- i mean just insane), and Burks.

It's just really terrible coaching -- unless the plan is to concentrate on the individual progression of the young talent (IQ and RJ and Julius -- who looks old AF but is young for the purposes of planning a team for next 5 years, and Obi) while hampering them enough that we end up with a shot to get a lucky bounce of the ping pong ball that changes the team's trajectory from "interesting, no longer wretched" to "please use your cap space to sign me, Mr. Rose."

If that's the plan -- truly the plan from the FO down -- I totally get it. I just wish Thibs would call me up and tell me -- or just shoot me a text or a DM.

I don't want to dislike Thibs if this is strategic bad in-game managing.

[WargamesX]

We lost to the kings, thunder, hornets etc. we are going to struggle against the bad teams too.

Yep, we still aren’t there. Especially talent wise, some of those crap teams have more talent and if they put effort in those games will be competitive. The kings being a great example. They suck but woke up for us and we had a tough game we then loss.

This summer between all our assets we should be able to make up that loss ground

KIngs more talented than us? I kinda dont see it.

They got a really good back court. Plus Holmes and Barnes arent scrubs. Even if they are not more talented they aren’t that far away and it still applies. If a team puts effort against us we it’s going to be competitive. The blow out for us is when opposing teams didn’t put the effort in.

[J9Starks3]

Quickley is in a Catch-22

If he plays well, to Thibs that means it's the right move to keep him on the bench

If he plays bad, then that's all the more reason to not start him and in fact is a reason to give him less minutes

Just a lose-lose situation.

I mean he has the keys to the team in the second unit, and he’s a floor spacer and an afterthought on the first unit. RJ, Randle, and Quickley are all most effective with the ball in their hands so for now it’s not crazy to let the kid run the second unit.

But at the same time, you don't have to only play them together

You stagger the lineups so they all play together for a good bit, but all have the opportunity to run the show, but all play together the first 6 and last 6 of each half

Limiting Quickley to just playing on the 2nd unit makes us worse overall as a team.

Except hes our closer, so hes not “only playing on the 2nd unit” as hes on the floor the entire 4th quarter...where you get RJ and Randle as well... what has to stop is the 12 minutes of payton followed by 12 minutes of IQ... honestly, I’d start IQ and play Frank for the last couple minutes of the 1st/3rd and first 3 or 4 minutes of the 2nd/4th quarter and let...but Thibs loves him some Elf...

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[thebuzzardman]

It might be mean spirited, but it would be quite awesome if the Knicks got the #1 pick in the draft via the Mavs, KP was hurt on and off for the next 3 years, the Mavs don't resign him, and then KP kicks around the league from team to team, fat and angry, before retiring at the 10 year mark.

And everyone called him Fatzingis.

It's a little bit petty, but hey.

[8516knicks]

And we might have drafted the best player in this draft at 25, what’s your point

Knicks are better off losing. They did, and I'm glad. They need a franchise player. Those are usually found in the draft - higher up. Not always, but most of the time.

We'll have 2 chances at a "not always" pick like khawi even if we make the palyoffs.

Looks like we're currently at #8/9 (Dallas) and #11 (Knicks) plus one good second rouunder and another also. Look like plenty of good prospects for a change around there even without the top 6 - like that Spanish big and Moody and even a 2nd round PG like McBride supposedly uber athletic and lockdown D. Here's hoping!

[whocares1]

I mean he has the keys to the team in the second unit, and he’s a floor spacer and an afterthought on the first unit. RJ, Randle, and Quickley are all most effective with the ball in their hands so for now it’s not crazy to let the kid run the second unit.

But at the same time, you don't have to only play them together

You stagger the lineups so they all play together for a good bit, but all have the opportunity to run the show, but all play together the first 6 and last 6 of each half

Limiting Quickley to just playing on the 2nd unit makes us worse overall as a team.

Except hes our closer, so hes not “only playing on the 2nd unit” as hes on the floor the entire 4th quarter...where you get RJ and Randle as well... what has to stop is the 12 minutes of payton followed by 12 minutes of IQ... honestly, I’d start IQ and play Frank for the last couple minutes of the 1st/3rd and first 3 or 4 minutes of the 2nd/4th quarter and let...but Thibs loves him some Elf...

Exactly. He isn’t only playing with the second unit, but he’s most effective playing with them because he’s the first option when he’s playing with the bench. He will be Randle’s caddie in the first unit.

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[Riot Randolph]

Rose in the second unit ..idllove it

[WargamesX]

Tons of flights cancelled at O'Hare today. Wonder if Knicks get to Chicago on time for tomorrow's game with this truly monstrous storm stretching from here back near Chi.

My walk calmed me down, but I still feel like we didn't give ourselves the best chance to win. Even if you are wedded to starting Payton (which is insane, I'd rather start Bullock and Burks in the backcourt until Frank can get his ass off the eternal DL) you gotta cap him at like 12-15 minutes a game.

I really think Thibs is trying to tank while be competitive. It's a tough line to walk and it's probably total bull -- but waiting until there was 5:30 to go to put your best lineup out there was upsetting to me. Q was heroic in getting them back into the game, but Thibs just threw the game -- or any real shot to win -- by keeping him out there with Rivers -- who was clearly scared to shoot today, Obi -- who is just learning his game at this level of physical talent, Taj Gibson (insane he played 20 minutes -- i mean just insane), and Burks.

It's just really terrible coaching -- unless the plan is to concentrate on the individual progression of the young talent (IQ and RJ and Julius -- who looks old AF but is young for the purposes of planning a team for next 5 years, and Obi) while hampering them enough that we end up with a shot to get a lucky bounce of the ping pong ball that changes the team's trajectory from "interesting, no longer wretched" to "please use your cap space to sign me, Mr. Rose."

If that's the plan -- truly the plan from the FO down -- I totally get it. I just wish Thibs would call me up and tell me -- or just shoot me a text or a DM.

I don't want to dislike Thibs if this is strategic bad in-game managing.

Even if this is true... You can’t operate on this conspiracy stuff it’ll make you too zen to his mess ups and no one will ever know