2021 Draft thread

Jedzz · Post #21 » by **Jedzz** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:51 am

Err um. I have to eat crow already on this Lamello thing. You all were right. I was wrong. I was an idiot. You were all savants. Sorry Klomp, unfadeable and others that really wanted him here. I did not believe you.

Did you see the Bucks game highlights yet?

I never got to talk to him, interview or test him in a gym first hand and am not paid to evaluate. Those are my only excuses for idiocy. What's Rosas excuse? Mums the word out of me next draft.

TwolvesFanRome · Post #22 » by **TwolvesFanRome** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:33 am

In which case we loss our 1st?
I don't remember this...

kidfozzy · Post #23 » by **kidfozzy** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:57 am

The thoughts of a Suggs/Edwards backcourt is amazing.

Does Suggs play great defense? I’ve only watched one game from him and he acted like a tore his Achilles on that one.

Guidus88 · Post #24 » by **Guidus88** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:23 am

TwolvesFanRome wrote:In which case we loss our 1st?
I don't remember this...

It’s top3 protected in 2021.
Unprotected 2022.

TwolvesFanRome · Post #25 » by **TwolvesFanRome** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:23 am

Guidus88 wrote:
TwolvesFanRome wrote:In which case we loss our 1st?
I don't remember this...

It’s top3 protected in 2021.
Unprotected 2022.

so if we win one of the top three would it be ours or theirs?

Sorry but I never understood this difference..

Norseman79 · Post #26 » by **Norseman79** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:35 pm

TwolvesFanRome wrote:
Guidus88 wrote:
TwolvesFanRome wrote:In which case we loss our 1st?
I don't remember this...

It’s top3 protected in 2021.
Unprotected 2022.

so if we win one of the top three would it be ours or theirs?

Sorry but I never understood this difference..

If we keep our pick this year it means we have a top 3 pick. It also means the Warriors get our pick next year no matter what

Post #27 » by **Domejandro** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 3:52 pm

I will say, almost a decade straight of my proposed Draft selections being better than the actual selections chosen by my favourite team is starting to wear on me a bit. I hope Anthony Edwards puts it all together and turns out better, but LaMelo Ball was so obviously a high-impact player coming into the NBA that I am pretty bothered that the team passed on him.

I do not always get it perfect (for example, I would have chosen Buddy Hield, not Jamal Murray, in that Draft), but somehow every single time my pick is better (except for Towns, which was obvious). I am not some basketball genius, it really shouldn't be like this.

Me being depressed about the Timberwolves aside, I have been VERY impressed with Suggs ability to finish through contact thus far into the college season.

Post #28 » by **Klomp** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:30 pm

Jedzz wrote:So, right now in college he's not on ball much? Is that what you are saying? Great if what you are saying is true but is there actually proof of that yet, does their team let others lead besides him? Just wondering if there is examples of him playing at a high level in a game without being the onball point. Seems like he can do a lot so great if true.

No I didn't say that. I said he's shown the ability to play off the ball. He does spend a lot of time on the ball. He's the PG, that's what you'd expect.

Post #29 » by **Klomp** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:31 pm

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Jedzz · Post #30 » by **Jedzz** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:16 pm

Klomp wrote:
Jedzz wrote:So, right now in college he's not on ball much? Is that what you are saying? Great if what you are saying is true but is there actually proof of that yet, does their team let others lead besides him? Just wondering if there is examples of him playing at a high level in a game without being the onball point. Seems like he can do a lot so great if true.

No I didn't say that. I said he's shown the ability to play off the ball. He does spend a lot of time on the ball. He's the PG, that's what you'd expect.

I hear that, but then the question or answer is still up in the air on whether he can play at same high levels no longer being the PG, in fact placed next to someone that might have to be onball.

Put 'em together and what have you got?
Bibbidi-bobbidi-boo
It'll do magic believe it or not

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jpatrick · Post #31 » by **jpatrick** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:40 pm

It’s just hard to get excited about the draft when the odds say we won’t have a pick.

TwolvesFanRome · Post #32 » by **TwolvesFanRome** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:14 pm

jpatrick wrote:It’s just hard to get excited about the draft when the odds say we won’t have a pick.

I understood that if we win one of the top three, it is ours ... and if we continue with this trend it is likely for me to have one of the top three ...

Post #33 » by **Worm Guts** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:22 pm

TwolvesFanRome wrote:
jpatrick wrote:It’s just hard to get excited about the draft when the odds say we won’t have a pick.

I understood that if we win one of the top three, it is ours ... and if we continue with this trend it is likely for me to have one of the top three ...

Even with the worst record, odds are lower than 50 percent of keeping the pick.

Jedzz · Post #34 » by **Jedzz** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:44 pm

TwolvesFanRome wrote:
jpatrick wrote:It’s just hard to get excited about the draft when the odds say we won’t have a pick.

I understood that if we win one of the top three, it is ours ... and if we continue with this trend it is likely for me to have one of the top three ...

As far as I understand it with the new odds of the lottery draw, nobody is guaranteed to stay within the top 4 picks, even if ending with one of the three worst records. The odds get even worse if teams tie in that range. https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/07/hoops-rumors-glossary-nba-draft-lottery-2.html

Post #35 » by **Klomp** » Mon Feb 1, 2021 3:40 am

Worm Guts wrote:
TwolvesFanRome wrote:
jpatrick wrote:It’s just hard to get excited about the draft when the odds say we won’t have a pick.

I understood that if we win one of the top three, it is ours ... and if we continue with this trend it is likely for me to have one of the top three ...

Even with the worst record, odds are lower than 50 percent of keeping the pick.

This is such a glass half empty perspective. I get that Wolves fans are used to feeling defeated, but how about a little optimism?! EVERY TEAM has less than 50 percent odds of having a top three pick. But I'd also say odds are decent that three teams out of 14 will finish with a top three pick after the draft lottery.

Post #36 » by **Worm Guts** » Mon Feb 1, 2021 4:53 am

Klomp wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:
TwolvesFanRome wrote:I understood that if we win one of the top three, it is ours ... and if we continue with this trend it is likely for me to have one of the top three ...

Even with the worst record, odds are lower than 50 percent of keeping the pick.

This is such a glass half empty perspective. I get that Wolves fans are used to feeling defeated, but how about a little optimism?! EVERY TEAM has less than 50 percent odds of having a top three pick. But I'd also say odds are decent that three teams out of 14 will finish with a top three pick after the draft lottery.

Being a bottom tier team that has a greater than 50 percent chance of not having their pick is not a positive situation Klomp. Sometimes reality is not positive.

Guidus88 · Post #37 » by **Guidus88** » Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:18 pm

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Neeva · Post #38 » by **Neeva** » Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:29 pm

Suggs will be a starter many years in the league, just think Cade Cunningham has more of that star power.

jpatrick · Post #39 » by **jpatrick** » Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:17 pm

Neeva wrote:Suggs will be a starter many years in the league, just think Cade Cunningham has more of that star power.

Cunningham has been very good but hasn’t been other worldly like he was billed. I haven’t really dug into the draft because our pick is so tenuous but the top five all seem solid. The two G Leaguers have gotten off to pretty strong starts.

wolfen · Post #40 » by **wolfen** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:59 pm

The wolves could explode next year if they get it right in the draft. We've seen this year that rooks CAN actually play pretty well in their first year and in many cases are a better option on the court than so-called "solid vets".

This team needs, in order, 2 specific pieces:

1. Strong Defense Collapser
2. Strong Backup Big

If we retain our top 3 pick, either Cunningham or Suggs would fit the bill for collapser of defenses. We know Ant can do it now and he'll only get better, not only scoring, but inititating. You can see the growth before your eyes. Really good teams have TWO guys who can do that, and if either of them did come out of the gate as advertised, you'd have the complete package offensively.

I'm hoping we do keep our lotto pick and this does come to fruition, but I also have a very strong feeling on a guy who could be had in the late first or early 2nd who could be this type of player as well - Davion Mitchell. Take a few minutes to read the article below and watch the videos in it as well.

https://www.ourdailybears.com/2021/2/15/22283070/davion-mitchells-time-the-interview-and-profile-of-his-offensive-development-at-baylor-bears

-STRONG
-Lightning quick and strong with the ball
-Ridiculously hard worker and quality kid, never is in trouble
-Can REALLY collapse the defense by getting around his guy
-Very good finishing this year when driving but also hits the floaters and looks for open shooters very well too
-DEFENSE - Did I mention he could be the best guard defender in college hoops? Ya, there's that.
-Greatly improved 3 point shooter with range - shooting almost 50% this year. Realistically he could shoot it at league average = 36% - and that would be just fine. His value is breaking down the defense off the bounce and of course playing great defense. If he can hit league average beyond the arc that's just gravy (which I think he can).
-Pure point guard? No, but he does average 6 apg, even with Jared Butler stealing away some of those numbers. He is actually just fine sharing the ball and does a nice job of doing so.
-Experience - He's a junior so he's not a green-horn, he will be able to contribute right away because of that, and the fact that he's built like a rock and had the strength. Won't be out of place at all as a rookie physically.
-I honestly think he has starter potential if he works at it (relentless worker), studies (non-stop learner), and stays healthy.
-If we can't get Suggs or Cunningham I make Mitchell my TOP priority for this upcoming draft, but we've GOT to somehow acquire a late first or early 2nd round pick.

Backup Big - We still need a mammoth big man to come off the bench to hold up against the bigger centers in the league. Again, assuming we get a late first/early 2nd, there are some good candidates to fill that role: Charles Bassey, Day'Ron Sharpe, and possibly Kofi Cockburn would all be nice options.

Best case scenario for me as it stands today would be somehow keeping our lotto pick and also acquiring an additional pick, and coming away with Cunningham/Suggs and Charles Bassey. If we don't keep our lotto pick I do everything I can to target Davion Mitchell.

Interesting video on Cunningham vs. Suggs as far as who is the better prospect...

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