The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV

[HardenToSixers]

If you buy a stock at 20 and it rises to 100 and then crashes to 1, you don’t blame buying it at 20, you blame not selling it at 80+.

It didn’t rose to 100 though. It only had the upside to be 100.

It’s 20 with an upside to be 100 and it’s now less than 20 because it has no upside to be 100.

Your definition is more applicable to maybe Derrick Rose when he won MVP.

I’m not sure what you mean. He looked absolutely incredible his first year playing. He was valued as a franchise building block. Yeah he struggled in the Celtics series but at that point in his career nobody was going to say he didn’t have sky high trade value because of that.

If your point is that he already had a great reputation as that before being drafted, then fine, but that still makes him the right pick over anybody else after he proved that on the court.

I think you are completely underselling what his value would have been league wide in the offseason after his first year playing. Just because we wasn’t on the market doesn’t mean he didn’t have great value.

If you want to haggle over the “value” he had, if a stock rises from 20 to 60, that’s still tripling your investment. If you are trying to say his league wide value didn’t increase in the couple years after we drafted him, I think you’re just being disingenuous.

[youngcrev]

If you want him gone, and want to screw big basketball in the process, why don't you guys just start a plot to artificially raise his stock value?

[zaz102]

If you want him gone, and want to screw big basketball in the process, why don't you guys just start a plot to artificially raise his stock value?

I like where's your heads at. We need to hold $TBH and not sell until it reaches Beal value.

[stormi]

[kuclas]

Simmons is playable with with Embiid as long as sixers have 3 other scorers/shooters/spacers on the floor

That means thybulle/maxey can’t be on the floor with them. Maxey at this stage is not shooting well from outside. Thybulle is essentially Andre Roberson like player. Great defender. Nothing else.

So the real question looking at those stats is what would sixers be with harden/Embiid. Or Beal/Embiid.

Sixers would absolutely miss Simmons defense. But slotting Beal or Harden in for instant offense plus being able to play thybulle at the same time makes up for losing Simmons.

Come crunch time. You need a 3 level scorer in crunch time. Harden and Beal can do that. Sixers do not have anyone who can break down a defense in the half court. Their Achilles heel. Tobias Harris is a good 3rd option scorer. But he doesn’t break down the defense.

Right now. Sixers rely on a 7 foot 280 pounder to break down a defense from 15 feet out. That’s not a way to win an nba title.

[stormi]

Simmons is playable with with Embiid as long as sixers have 3 other scorers/shooters/spacers on the floor

That means thybulle/maxey can’t be on the floor with them. Maxey at this stage is not shooting well from outside. Thybulle is essentially Andre Roberson like player. Great defender. Nothing else.

So the real question looking at those stats is what would sixers be with harden/Embiid. Or Beal/Embiid.

Sixers would absolutely miss Simmons defense. But slotting Beal or Harden in for instant offense plus being able to play thybulle at the same time makes up for losing Simmons.

Come crunch time. You need a 3 level scorer in crunch time. Harden and Beal can do that. Sixers do not have anyone who can break down a defense in the half court. Their Achilles heel. Tobias Harris is a good 3rd option scorer. But he doesn’t break down the defense.

Right now. Sixers rely on a 7 foot 280 pounder to break down a defense from 15 feet out. That’s not a way to win an nba title.

Simmons has always been playable with Embiid when we ask him to be Ben Simmons. Just get them a creator, it's a simple solution.

[davesilver]

Simmons is playable with with Embiid as long as sixers have 3 other scorers/shooters/spacers on the floor

That means thybulle/maxey can’t be on the floor with them. Maxey at this stage is not shooting well from outside. Thybulle is essentially Andre Roberson like player. Great defender. Nothing else.

So the real question looking at those stats is what would sixers be with harden/Embiid. Or Beal/Embiid.

Sixers would absolutely miss Simmons defense. But slotting Beal or Harden in for instant offense plus being able to play thybulle at the same time makes up for losing Simmons.

Come crunch time. You need a 3 level scorer in crunch time. Harden and Beal can do that. Sixers do not have anyone who can break down a defense in the half court. Their Achilles heel. Tobias Harris is a good 3rd option scorer. But he doesn’t break down the defense.

Right now. Sixers rely on a 7 foot 280 pounder to break down a defense from 15 feet out. That’s not a way to win an nba title.

Hakeem’s Rockets?

[kuclas]

Simmons is playable with with Embiid as long as sixers have 3 other scorers/shooters/spacers on the floor

That means thybulle/maxey can’t be on the floor with them. Maxey at this stage is not shooting well from outside. Thybulle is essentially Andre Roberson like player. Great defender. Nothing else.

So the real question looking at those stats is what would sixers be with harden/Embiid. Or Beal/Embiid.

Sixers would absolutely miss Simmons defense. But slotting Beal or Harden in for instant offense plus being able to play thybulle at the same time makes up for losing Simmons.

Come crunch time. You need a 3 level scorer in crunch time. Harden and Beal can do that. Sixers do not have anyone who can break down a defense in the half court. Their Achilles heel. Tobias Harris is a good 3rd option scorer. But he doesn’t break down the defense.

Right now. Sixers rely on a 7 foot 280 pounder to break down a defense from 15 feet out. That’s not a way to win an nba title.

Simmons has always been playable with Embiid when we ask him to be Ben Simmons. Just get them a creator, it's a simple solution.

A creator doesn’t come cheap in any trade. That’s why sixers tried to trade Simmons for harden except
The asking price became too much.

Zach Lavine is a guy the sixers should focus on. I think since he’s got 1.5 years left in contract. And not valued on the same level as Beal. He could come cheaper. Considering harden got salary dumps and 4 1st round picks (2 of them mostly likely late 1st rounds) and 3 pick swaps (2 of those pick swaps will most likely never convey and the 3rd pick ). Harden essentially got traded for 4 first round picks with same contract situation as Lavine. And Lavine isn’t on the same level as harden.

[76ciology]

Simmons is playable with with Embiid as long as sixers have 3 other scorers/shooters/spacers on the floor

That means thybulle/maxey can’t be on the floor with them. Maxey at this stage is not shooting well from outside. Thybulle is essentially Andre Roberson like player. Great defender. Nothing else.

So the real question looking at those stats is what would sixers be with harden/Embiid. Or Beal/Embiid.

Sixers would absolutely miss Simmons defense. But slotting Beal or Harden in for instant offense plus being able to play thybulle at the same time makes up for losing Simmons.

Come crunch time. You need a 3 level scorer in crunch time. Harden and Beal can do that. Sixers do not have anyone who can break down a defense in the half court. Their Achilles heel. Tobias Harris is a good 3rd option scorer. But he doesn’t break down the defense.

Right now. Sixers rely on a 7 foot 280 pounder to break down a defense from 15 feet out. That’s not a way to win an nba title.

You get it.

Fit is not just on the court.

But also fit when Biid is on the bench or not playing by being able go carry a team’s scoring load alone. That’s just the reality in playing with Biid when he’s not an ironman like prime Jordan or LeBron.

He should also be able to provide a more reliable option down the stretch than Tobi, where you can slide Tobi to third option.

P.S. Seth and Biid and Tobi and Biid both are duos with higher NetRtg

[sixers4real]

Simmons is playable with with Embiid as long as sixers have 3 other scorers/shooters/spacers on the floor

That means thybulle/maxey can’t be on the floor with them. Maxey at this stage is not shooting well from outside. Thybulle is essentially Andre Roberson like player. Great defender. Nothing else.

So the real question looking at those stats is what would sixers be with harden/Embiid. Or Beal/Embiid.

Sixers would absolutely miss Simmons defense. But slotting Beal or Harden in for instant offense plus being able to play thybulle at the same time makes up for losing Simmons.

Come crunch time. You need a 3 level scorer in crunch time. Harden and Beal can do that. Sixers do not have anyone who can break down a defense in the half court. Their Achilles heel. Tobias Harris is a good 3rd option scorer. But he doesn’t break down the defense.

Right now. Sixers rely on a 7 foot 280 pounder to break down a defense from 15 feet out. That’s not a way to win an nba title.

That’s why we need to get a scorer AND keep Embiid Simmons. We have assets to do so.

[Sixerscan]

Lineups with Simmons and Horford without Embiid were in the 87th percentile last year. Get a backup center that isn't an awful fit with Simmons and they'll do better without Embiid.

The argument for not trading for Harden was not that Simmons was a better player than him/can't speak for everyone but I'd trade him for Beal. Ideally you get a scorer without trading Simmons though because of everything else he brings.

[76ciology]

Lineups with Simmons and Horford without Embiid were in the 87th percentile last year. Get a backup center that isn't an awful fit with Simmons and they'll do better without Embiid.

The argument for not trading for Harden was not that Simmons was a better player than him/can't speak for everyone but I'd trade him for Beal. Ideally you get a scorer without trading Simmons though because of everything else he brings.

Agree with this.

If we arent going for a splash, just go get a center that can play with Ben.

And if you can get Beal without trading Ben, you do it.

[Rastas]

Lineups with Simmons and Horford without Embiid were in the 87th percentile last year. Get a backup center that isn't an awful fit with Simmons and they'll do better without Embiid.

The argument for not trading for Harden was not that Simmons was a better player than him/can't speak for everyone but I'd trade him for Beal. Ideally you get a scorer without trading Simmons though because of everything else he brings.

Agree with this.

If we arent going for a splash, just go get a center that can play with Ben.

And if you can get Beal without trading Ben, you do it.

OK
Embiid for Beal and Washington 1st

Harris + Philli and Wash 1sts for Kat


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[DCasey91]

Lineups with Simmons and Horford without Embiid were in the 87th percentile last year. Get a backup center that isn't an awful fit with Simmons and they'll do better without Embiid.

The argument for not trading for Harden was not that Simmons was a better player than him/can't speak for everyone but I'd trade him for Beal. Ideally you get a scorer without trading Simmons though because of everything else he brings.

I don’t wanna have what ever your smoking.

No one on this team can do better than Embiid. He’s a historical big no question.

His on/off numbers are only surpassed by Prime Curry & Prime Lebron in the whole league since he first played.

His impact is a young Tim Duncan lvl when he plays

Put it this way I’d trade Ben for old Chris Paul right at this second

Do you know easy it is for an elite two way big to crush the comp with the right pieces surrounding him?

Look at any EF/Finals/Chip winning teams.

Heck look at the lower lvls
Gasol + Conley WCF
Garnett plus minimal help WCF
Horford ECF lmfao
Wallace 1 chip/4WCF/1 more Finals appearance. And he can’t score.

Forget small ball
Did u see the Lakers finals line up?

Heck GSW:
Durant
Iguodala
Green
Thompson

Thats GOAT perimeter defence. Insane length/Height/versatility and defensive talent.

One is a monster that has finally awoken and better yet he has no rivals beside him. (Like the 90’s). Legit no one has a good matchup against Embiid.

One thinks he is but is a role player. (Unless he transitions to his rightful spot at PF and let go of his stupid arrogance and be a big man... I doubt it though.) because Ben’s greatest matchup against isn’t a player it’s anything over 5ft then he’s dead in the water.

[kio80]

Lineups with Simmons and Horford without Embiid were in the 87th percentile last year. Get a backup center that isn't an awful fit with Simmons and they'll do better without Embiid.

The argument for not trading for Harden was not that Simmons was a better player than him/can't speak for everyone but I'd trade him for Beal. Ideally you get a scorer without trading Simmons though because of everything else he brings.

I don’t wanna have what ever your smoking.

No one on this team can do better than Embiid. He’s a historical big no question.

His on/off numbers are only surpassed by Prime Curry & Prime Lebron in the whole league since he first played.

His impact is a young Tim Duncan lvl when he plays

Put it this way I’d trade Ben for old Chris Paul right at this second

Do you know easy it is for an elite two way big to crush the comp with the right pieces surrounding him?

Look at any EF/Finals/Chip winning teams.

Heck look at the lower lvls
Gasol + Conley WCF
Garnett plus minimal help WCF
Horford ECF lmfao
Wallace 1 chip/4WCF/1 more Finals appearance. And he can’t score.

Forget small ball
Did u see the Lakers finals line up?

Heck GSW:
Durant
Iguodala
Green
Thompson

Thats GOAT perimeter defence. Insane length/Height/versatility and defensive talent.

One is a monster that has finally awoken and better yet he has no rivals beside him. (Like the 90’s). Legit no one has a good matchup against Embiid.

One thinks he is but is a role player. (Unless he transitions to his rightful spot at PF and let go of his stupid arrogance and be a big man... I doubt it though.) because Ben’s greatest matchup against isn’t a player it’s anything over 5ft then he’s dead in the water.

I have no idea what you are trying to express, you are all over the place, also, the person you quoted had nothing to do with whatever you are trying to say, but if you mean Embiid’s a beast and an MVP, I agree full heartedly.


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[DCasey91]

Lineups with Simmons and Horford without Embiid were in the 87th percentile last year. Get a backup center that isn't an awful fit with Simmons and they'll do better without Embiid.

The argument for not trading for Harden was not that Simmons was a better player than him/can't speak for everyone but I'd trade him for Beal. Ideally you get a scorer without trading Simmons though because of everything else he brings.

I don’t wanna have what ever your smoking.

No one on this team can do better than Embiid. He’s a historical big no question.

His on/off numbers are only surpassed by Prime Curry & Prime Lebron in the whole league since he first played.

His impact is a young Tim Duncan lvl when he plays

Put it this way I’d trade Ben for old Chris Paul right at this second

Do you know easy it is for an elite two way big to crush the comp with the right pieces surrounding him?

Look at any EF/Finals/Chip winning teams.

Heck look at the lower lvls
Gasol + Conley WCF
Garnett plus minimal help WCF
Horford ECF lmfao
Wallace 1 chip/4WCF/1 more Finals appearance. And he can’t score.

Forget small ball
Did u see the Lakers finals line up?

Heck GSW:
Durant
Iguodala
Green
Thompson

Thats GOAT perimeter defence. Insane length/Height/versatility and defensive talent.

One is a monster that has finally awoken and better yet he has no rivals beside him. (Like the 90’s). Legit no one has a good matchup against Embiid.

One thinks he is but is a role player. (Unless he transitions to his rightful spot at PF and let go of his stupid arrogance and be a big man... I doubt it though.) because Ben’s greatest matchup against isn’t a player it’s anything over 5ft then he’s dead in the water.

I have no idea what you are trying to express, you are all over the place, also, the person you quoted had nothing to do with whatever you are trying to say, but if you mean Embiid’s a beast and an MVP, I agree full heartedly.


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Wrong comment but someone mentioned
Embiid for Beal and picks
And Harris for Towns

Lmfao really?

It’s like people don’t know Bball.

Also my main point is the 76ers will go as far as Embiid goes & not being hung up on Ben at all. If he has to go for the teams aspirations so be it.

If the 76ers are serious about contending this year
Lowry + Stretch 4 (Bjelica to play the Mike Scott role forward depth is a must right now).

Two many (5) young wing/guards. One or more will have to go for a stud outside threat if we’re thinking longer term. If Ben is part of the collateral I wouldn’t bat an eye lid.


But it’s all dependent on what vision the organization has (don’t have high hopes at all).

Because in order to get this team optimized. One trade has to correlate with the other. (Crap team’s suck at this very concept).

[76ciology]

Lineups with Simmons and Horford without Embiid were in the 87th percentile last year. Get a backup center that isn't an awful fit with Simmons and they'll do better without Embiid.

The argument for not trading for Harden was not that Simmons was a better player than him/can't speak for everyone but I'd trade him for Beal. Ideally you get a scorer without trading Simmons though because of everything else he brings.

Agree with this.

If we arent going for a splash, just go get a center that can play with Ben.

And if you can get Beal without trading Ben, you do it.

OK
Embiid for Beal and Washington 1st

Harris + Philli and Wash 1sts for Kat


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How much did Ben Simmons pay you?

[Rastas]

Agree with this.

If we arent going for a splash, just go get a center that can play with Ben.

And if you can get Beal without trading Ben, you do it.

OK
Embiid for Beal and Washington 1st

Harris + Philli and Wash 1sts for Kat


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How much did Ben Simmons pay you?

And what did Ben do to ya mama

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[stormi]

had a bunch of tough finishes at the rim today

Watch on YouTube

loved him taking brogdon off the drive and all the way to the cup too

[kio80]

had a bunch of tough finishes at the rim today

Watch on YouTube

loved him taking brogdon off the drive and all the way to the cup too

Ben had a slow start to the season, but h's trending up and hopefully keeping it up.