PG: Clippers at Knicks

[Deeeez Knicks]

I would trade a 2nd rounder and Bullocks for JJ. Not sure i would go any higher then that. Maybe contenders are willing to give up a first so that might not get it done.

Reddick has looked bad this year, but if the cost is low then its not a bad chance to take. Knicks have an edge being under the cap so could just take JJ outright if the Pelicans are looking to trim cost. They are up there with a $130mil payroll

Ideally, if JJ gets back to his form back he would be a great fit and good vet.

[thebuzzardman]

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To everyone, at least the last 10 games, the eye test showed he was putting it all together.

But the stats, particularly the 3 point and FT %, show how much he's improved, with consistency, where he needed to improve.

You know another way he's shown he's there? A few of those games he didn't play THAT great. Got to a rough start, could have converted a few more shots, could have gotten some more shots and STILL put up 20+ points.

TL/DR? RJ is putting up noisy 20+ point games where it stands out, but also quiet 20+ point games, where you look up and all of sudden he has 20 points

[Deeeez Knicks]

Quickley is a scoring guard, there's nothing wrong with that at all as several PGs are like that - Curry, Lillard, Kemba, Murray. You just have to have another ball mover on the floor with them, which is why I want to see him with Frank. I think as a whole our offense would run better with Frank rather than Burks, Rivers or Bullock because he's more unselfish in the first two and he can create better than the 3rd.

I would love to see Quickley and Frank play with the starters. That seems like it would be a good balance. Not sure when or if we will see Frank back on the court again.

[thebuzzardman]

Reddick is a weird trade scenario because he USED to be good and probably still has some of that shine so a team would probably GIVE assets (only a contender) but in reality, what is going on here is salary DUMP by the Pels, because if Reddick was still any good in relation to his contract, they'd be keeping him.

IF the Knicks were to burn an asset, it should be a cheap one, and more about c*ck blocking the Nets, which I'm not sure is the proper way to go about doing trades, though it would amuse me.

[Deeeez Knicks]

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To everyone, at least the last 10 games, the eye test showed he was putting it all together.

But the stats, particularly the 3 point and FT %, show how much he's improved, with consistency, where he needed to improve.

You know another way he's shown he's there? A few of those games he didn't play THAT great. Got to a rough start, could have converted a few more shots, could have gotten some more shots and STILL put up 20+ points.

TL/DR? RJ is putting up noisy 20+ point games where it stands out, but also quiet 20+ point games, where you look up and all of sudden he has 20 points

He has been playing great the last 10 games and love those numbers. He cut down his 3 point attempts, and has been more aggressive getting his type of shots.

it is also good to see him putting up numbers while also having a positive effect:
112.4 Offensive Rating
104.2 Deffensive Rating
+8.1 Net Rating

Quickley has also been very impressive the last 10 too:
21mpg, 17ppg, 45.4%fg, 41.1% from 3, 3.1 apg, 1.2 TOs
+6.4 Net Rating

Meanwhile....Payton:
27mpg, 8ppg, 37%fg, 17.6% from 3, 2.9apg, 1.6 TOs
-1.3 Net Rating

[thebuzzardman]

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To everyone, at least the last 10 games, the eye test showed he was putting it all together.

But the stats, particularly the 3 point and FT %, show how much he's improved, with consistency, where he needed to improve.

You know another way he's shown he's there? A few of those games he didn't play THAT great. Got to a rough start, could have converted a few more shots, could have gotten some more shots and STILL put up 20+ points.

TL/DR? RJ is putting up noisy 20+ point games where it stands out, but also quiet 20+ point games, where you look up and all of sudden he has 20 points

He has been playing great the last 10 games and love those numbers. He cut down his 3 point attempts, and has been more aggressive getting his type of shots.

it is also good to see him putting up numbers while also having a positive effect:
112.4 Offensive Rating
104.2 Deffensive Rating
+8.1 Net Rating

Quickley has also been very impressive the last 10 too:
21mpg, 17ppg, 45.4%fg, 41.1% from 3, 3.1 apg, 1.2 TOs
+6.4 Net Rating

Meanwhile....Payton:
27mpg, 8ppg, 37%fg, 17.6% from 3, 2.9apg, 1.6 TOs
-1.3 Net Rating

Yeah, I get all the numbers. I wanted to point out that thing really good players do, where you think they aren't really having all that good a game (and I'm talking about one, maybe two games in that stretch) and yet, mid 4th quarter and RJ has or is closing in on 20 points

*edit - those IQ numbers are SICK! Didn't he have a really bad game in that 10, shot 1-11? And still has those #'s?

[cgf]

obi will be fine, it's hard to produce in only 10 minutes.

it's clear he has the athleticism and it's clear he has intangibles, he passes the ball very well out of the post.

he just has to get playing time.

when do you think is he going to get more time, tho? not gonna happen.

Maybe when he's played more than a dozen games in his career?

[ohboy109]

I wouldn't complain about signing one either...that Gary Trent Jr kid, for example

Cade, Kuminga and Trent?

My heart would explode.

Dream off season.

1000%

Stop sleeping on Obi hasn't been given a fair shot dam

also a huge Jalen Green and think he's a future star

Cade
IQ
RJ
Kuminga
Mitch

Trent as 6th man

and yes, I have Kuminga as the starting 4. defensive versatility and shooting. I wanna play w/ a stretch-4 (like Utah) and he's more so than Randle or Obi

[Kampuchea]

No to JJ, he is cooked. Don't see as an upgrade over Bullock or Rivers, maybe slightly over Bullock but not enough to give away assets. Two years ago JJ was a definite upgrade, seems he is one foot out the door now though.

[Kampuchea]

Hate to see Frank still getting mentions. He is simply not good enough. Maybe if he played off of players that get doubled, like he needs to pair with Randle/RJ and hope to get wide open 3's.

[Tron Carter]

Mitch inability to guard the stretch 5s is annoying.

he doesn't have an inability to guard the stretch 5s. he can easily just stay with them but then the rim is wide open and we prioritize stopping guys at the rim so he has to help. it's our scheme.

I honestly don’t give a schit it mitch even attempts a three this season. I think the nba has gotten too obsessed with trying to develop bigs from the three point line inward. It’s a problem I see with a player like Giannis (on a much larger scale) who is more like a Shaq but who the Bucks keep trying to develop him like he’s LeBron.

I wan’t mitch to work on making simple passes out the post, maybe a little hook or face up game move. Just something he can comfortably hit near the basket that isn’t a dunk. Dude had like the greatest season as a finisher in league history last year and now we want him to stretch out to the 3 point line? Doesn’t make sense to me.

[Handledatruth]

Hate to see Frank still getting mentions. He is simply not good enough. Maybe if he played off of players that get doubled, like he needs to pair with Randle/RJ and hope to get wide open 3's.

That's exactly why he's being mentioned. Payton deliberately gets left wide open at the 3 point line in the opposing team's game plan. The only reason Thibs says he likes Payton is because of his defense against bigger and stronger guards. But this argument makes little sense when you have a guy like Frank on the bench. No one is talking about Frank as a future star or anything, but he clearly can be a solid role player in a starting line-up given the opportunity. Honestly, if Knick coaches think Frank is not worthy of NBA minutes then please trade for an Avery Bradley type. Enough of this Payton nonsense.

[stuporman]

Just watching some of this game back for as much of a physical specimen RJ is is amazing how much of physical freaks both Kawhi and George are.

[thebuzzardman]

Hate to see Frank still getting mentions. He is simply not good enough. Maybe if he played off of players that get doubled, like he needs to pair with Randle/RJ and hope to get wide open 3's.

That's exactly why he's being mentioned. Payton deliberately gets left wide open at the 3 point line in the opposing team's game plan. The only reason Thibs says he likes Payton is because of his defense against bigger and stronger guards. But this argument makes little sense when you have a guy like Frank on the bench. No one is talking about Frank as a future star or anything, but he clearly can be a solid role player in a starting line-up given the opportunity. Honestly, if Knick coaches think Frank is not worthy of NBA minutes then please trade for an Avery Bradley type. Enough of this Payton nonsense.

I really like(d) Frank. Frank just doesn't get into the paint like Payton does, even if Payton doesn't do it THAT often or really that well.

IF Frank could do even half of that, he'd be playing.

[Reign23]

Hate to see Frank still getting mentions. He is simply not good enough. Maybe if he played off of players that get doubled, like he needs to pair with Randle/RJ and hope to get wide open 3's.

That's exactly why he's being mentioned. Payton deliberately gets left wide open at the 3 point line in the opposing team's game plan. The only reason Thibs says he likes Payton is because of his defense against bigger and stronger guards. But this argument makes little sense when you have a guy like Frank on the bench. No one is talking about Frank as a future star or anything, but he clearly can be a solid role player in a starting line-up given the opportunity. Honestly, if Knick coaches think Frank is not worthy of NBA minutes then please trade for an Avery Bradley type. Enough of this Payton nonsense.

[cgf]

No to JJ, he is cooked. Don't see as an upgrade over Bullock or Rivers, maybe slightly over Bullock but not enough to give away assets. Two years ago JJ was a definite upgrade, seems he is one foot out the door now though.

It's not just you but I'm gunna jump off of your post to gripe that this fanbase seriously underplays Bullock's defensive contribution. He & RJ are head & shoulders above any other perimeter/wing defenders in the rotation; that's why he starts when he's healthy, despite shooting well below his career average (38.4%) from 3.

So JJ wouldn't replace Reggie in the starting lineup, even if getting traded to us rejuvenated him. He'd be replacing Burks or Rivers as a bench flamethrower. If you want to get someone that Thibs would start ahead of Bullock, shooting is the wrong end of the court to be focusing on.

[HarthorneWingo]

I would trade a 2nd rounder and Bullocks for JJ. Not sure i would go any higher then that. Maybe contenders are willing to give up a first so that might not get it done.

Reddick has looked bad this year, but if the cost is low then its not a bad chance to take. Knicks have an edge being under the cap so could just take JJ outright if the Pelicans are looking to trim cost. They are up there with a $130mil payroll

Ideally, if JJ gets back to his form back he would be a great fit and good vet.

Where would Reddick play? Over Rivers, Burks, and Bullock? Just seems like an already crowded backcourt.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I would trade a 2nd rounder and Bullocks for JJ. Not sure i would go any higher then that. Maybe contenders are willing to give up a first so that might not get it done.

Reddick has looked bad this year, but if the cost is low then its not a bad chance to take. Knicks have an edge being under the cap so could just take JJ outright if the Pelicans are looking to trim cost. They are up there with a $130mil payroll

Ideally, if JJ gets back to his form back he would be a great fit and good vet.

Where would Reddick play? Over Rivers, Burks, and Bullock? Just seems like an already crowded backcourt.

I would start him over Bullocks and add IQ in there. We can def use more shooting.

Only if the cost is low.... Maybe Reddick is in just a cold spell, and there is some positive regression back to the mean. He could light it up if he gets close to even just last year. If not, can play him off the bench or even move him again. Worth the small risk imo.

[Kampuchea]

No to JJ, he is cooked. Don't see as an upgrade over Bullock or Rivers, maybe slightly over Bullock but not enough to give away assets. Two years ago JJ was a definite upgrade, seems he is one foot out the door now though.

It's not just you but I'm gunna jump off of your post to gripe that this fanbase seriously underplays Bullock's defensive contribution. He & RJ are head & shoulders above any other perimeter/wing defenders in the rotation; that's why he starts when he's healthy, despite shooting well below his career average (38.4%) from 3.

So JJ wouldn't replace Reggie in the starting lineup, even if getting traded to us rejuvenated him. He'd be replacing Burks or Rivers as a bench flamethrower. If you want to get someone that Thibs would start ahead of Bullock, shooting is the wrong end of the court to be focusing on.

Yes, that is why it was a "maybe." Offensive upgrade and losing on defense, IMO. And the offensive upgrade I am not so sure as JJ may just be done. We shouldn't be sending out assets for him, let BK do it.

I am not on board with the Reggie haters.

[j4remi]

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Recap is up fam. IQ has that special something about him. Also, with a starting unit that’s built to play through Barrett and Randle...do you really need Payton? He’s not exactly been a floor general anyway. I’m not even just thinking the starting line-up, Payton out of the rotation might not be bad experiment.