2020-2021 Regular Season Game 21: Orlando Magic (8-12) at Tampa Raptors (7-12)

[Knightro]

Hezonja also had picture perfect jumpshot. Never went in.
Cole shoots 36% FG , he didn't even shot at college average in college.
Kevin Martin was great shooter ,few times in his career he was among best shooters in nba, and his shooting form was as ugly as it gets.
Doesn't matter how it looks, results are what counts.
But it's much easier to predict ugly looking form won't go in than good looking form won't.

Shame on me for continuing to do this with you, but I can't help it.

Which sample size is more real?

The first 12 games where Anthony shot 32.6% from the floor and 17.9% from three.

Or the last 9 games where Anthony is shooting 41.1% from the floor and 48.5% from three?

[thelead]

Hezonja also had picture perfect jumpshot. Never went in.
Cole shoots 36% FG , he didn't even shot at college average in college.
Kevin Martin was great shooter ,few times in his career he was among best shooters in nba, and his shooting form was as ugly as it gets.
Doesn't matter how it looks, results are what counts.
But it's much easier to predict ugly looking form won't go in than good looking form won't.

Shame on me for continuing to do this with you, but I can't help it.

Which sample size is more real?

The first 12 games where Anthony shot 32.6% from the floor and 17.9% from three.

Or the last 9 games where Anthony is shooting 41.1% from the floor and 48.5% from three?

whichever one fits his narrative/opinion

[RookieStar]

I don't really know these players so let me ask you, which one is the one that can hit shots off the dribble at a high rate, as well as the guy that can make plays for others, on top of those two things, which one is the guy that can attack the basket relentessly while finishing at a high rate while also drawing a bunch of fouls. Cause that's the guy I want the most.

I don't want a guy who projects to be a good shooter someday but hasn't shown that skill yet. Because I'm tired of those guys.

I honestly don't know yet. I've been way too busy with life

From the few short videos, I'm not sold on anyone yet TBH. Cade is underwhelming to me... I'm not seeing the elite athleticism that I would like for his player type. Suggs is missing something... speed maybe? I don't know, I haven't watched enough yet but his vision and pull up 3's are super impressive. I don't know much about Kuminga but if the shot is a concern, that's worrisome but he does have the athleticism to be super special. Green's high school videos scream young Kobe but that all depends on the head on his shoulders (that's my concern with him because that could easily turn him into JR Smith). And finally, Mobley. A PF/C... yeah... but damn he is special. Passes well, can shoot, has a good hook shot, and can dribble a bit. Very polished for a big from the 2 videos I watched (lol, yes, I know, TWO whole videos but I told you I don't have time )

Anyway, all I know is we need the best pick possible to make the best assessment and not be forced to take someone else's 'trash'.

Cade's starting to grow on me some. He looks like Hedo handling and passing the ball, but his shoulders are so wide, like Lebron. I get the underwhelming vibe from him too, I also got that vibe about Tatum. I read he had a 40' vertical, so he might be more athletic than we think.

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Yup.. I read that one of his strengths is his athleticism.. the fact that he doesn't show it much tells me that he can impact the game without using it AND if he will use it..WOW watch out.

[RookieStar]

Sure, I guess I'm just saying that I don't want a guy with questionable or poor mechanics that need to be worked on in terms of shooting form. LaMelo is working out for the Hornets with his form. But I want someone that has his mechanics in order now. Because it's pretty rare that you see someone like him perform and shoot pretty well with a form like his.

We actually drafted a guy with goof shooting mechanics/ form. Too bad. Alot of posters herr are screaming bum and bust though.

Not me. Been on the Cole bandwagon from before the draft. Glad to have him. We need to make more risky and offensive oriented draft picks like that.

WEll lately I have been glad to have him although TBH I initially didn't like him. In the place where we were picking he was my 3rd choice probably behind Hampton and Maxey... but with what happened with injuries and all, glad to have him play the PG.

[pepe1991]

Hezonja also had picture perfect jumpshot. Never went in.
Cole shoots 36% FG , he didn't even shot at college average in college.
Kevin Martin was great shooter ,few times in his career he was among best shooters in nba, and his shooting form was as ugly as it gets.
Doesn't matter how it looks, results are what counts.
But it's much easier to predict ugly looking form won't go in than good looking form won't.

Shame on me for continuing to do this with you, but I can't help it.

Which sample size is more real?

The first 12 games where Anthony shot 32.6% from the floor and 17.9% from three.

Or the last 9 games where Anthony is shooting 41.1% from the floor and 48.5% from three?

Let's try with 72/213, combionation of all 3s at college and nba level.

Still get to 33,8% for 3, witch is still below average at every level of basketball, especially for point guard.

I can every post come back and rub in a face how wrong people were here about Fultz developing jumpshot, Elfrid Payton "fixed" jumpshot for 3 years, Gordon's "development " for 7 . But it's boring, Cole thing will just another thing i was right about, but at that point fans will move to new shiny new toy to overvalue. As always.

Why not use sample size of just last 3 games ( 31% FG, 20% for 3) or any other one that does not include his " hot streak" of 3 games?
Instad, i used college full season and every single game in nba he played. And results are, as usaul for Anthony, underwealming.

But even if I entertain idea of 9 games ( witch is laughable ,because it's as cherrypicked as possible) his true shooting percentage in them still does not come close to nba league's average. Instad, it's 52,7%, that makes him 7th most "efficienct" Magic player among 11 who suited up in that period.

Don't be like that Makavali throll that creeps from cave once in month after he Cole finally looks like 10th man in rotation. Look what Immanuel Quickley, Haliburton, Lamelo Ball, Wiseman, Maxey are doing and come back with straight face that Cole is " doing fine". Those players all had no SL, nobody had that much time to prepare, yet they are couple of light years ahead of him in performance. Just like it was at college. He simply isn't that talented. Every possession of him trying to run any sort of offense shows it.

[basketballRob]

How many more games before Cole passes Fournier in 3 pt percentage, maybe 5?

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[Knightro]

Let's try with 72/213, combionation of all 3s at college and nba level.

Still get to 33,8% for 3, witch is still below average at every level of basketball, especially for point guard.

I can every post come back and rub in a face how wrong people were here about Fultz developing jumpshot, Elfrid Payton "fixed" jumpshot for 3 years, Gordon's "development " for 7 . But it's boring, Cole thing will just another thing i was right about, but at that point fans will move to new shiny new toy to overvalue. As always.

College numbers? C'mon Pepe.

Let's take a look at just a handful of the guys over 40% from three in the NBA from 3PT this season.

Kentavious Caldwell Pope
Freshman College: 30.4%
Rookie Year NBA: 31.9%
Currently: 47.8%

JaMychal Green
Freshman College: 0.0%
Rookie Year NBA: 0.0% (33.3% year 2)
Currently: 47.1%

Tobias Harris
Freshman College: 30.3%
Rookie Year NBA: 26.1%
Currently: 46.4%

Jaylen Brown
Freshman College: 29.4%
Rookie Year NBA: 34.1%
Currently: 44.3%

Mike Conley Jr.
Freshman College: 30.4%
Rookie Year NBA: 33.0%
Currently: 40.7%

Trey Burke
Freshman College: 34.8%
Rookie Year NBA: 33.0%
Currently: 40.0%

Elfrid Payton is obviously a pretty bad comparison as he didn't even make a three as a college freshman and only made 30 threes in 100 college games. Anthony made 49 in 22 college games. Elf was also 61% from the FT line from his college career. He was never a natural or comfortable shooter and that has continued on in the pros.

Anthony's over 85% from the line and already has 9 games where he's made at least 40% of his 3PT attempts. He might not develop as a finisher or as a point guard, but I'm pretty confident he's going to be a guy who makes jump shots.