2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2

[cgf]

Mobley looks a lot rawer than Wiseman to me. I’d pass no matter where we land in the draft.And i don’t see anything like AD in his game. He’s more like JJJ. Another guy worse than Randle lol.

I also don’t trust Mobley at PF. Would get cooked on the perimeter. He’s a center imo and I think the fit with Mitch is horrible.

Physically he is rawer then Wiseman...but skill wise and athletically he looks much better then Wiseman to me. Think Mobley will be the better overall player long term. Yea, it may take him a year or 2 or whatever...that's fine. A lot of these guys may take some time. We should be looking for the best long term guy anyway.

Skill wise he looks a lot worse. He can’t create anything on his own besides awkward floaters and some post hook shots. I’d pass. He’s fools gold to me. Long term he seems like he’ll be JJJ. Not even an upgrade over Randle. It just doesn’t make any sense for us to take a raw C over guards, when it’s clear guards is our biggest need.

How can you say that when we don't know what 3J will be in the longrun yet?

[3toheadmelo]

Also if we somehow trade Randle, wouldn’t the priority be developing Obi? Mobley would stop that.

[3toheadmelo]

Physically he is rawer then Wiseman...but skill wise and athletically he looks much better then Wiseman to me. Think Mobley will be the better overall player long term. Yea, it may take him a year or 2 or whatever...that's fine. A lot of these guys may take some time. We should be looking for the best long term guy anyway.

Skill wise he looks a lot worse. He can’t create anything on his own besides awkward floaters and some post hook shots. I’d pass. He’s fools gold to me. Long term he seems like he’ll be JJJ. Not even an upgrade over Randle. It just doesn’t make any sense for us to take a raw C over guards, when it’s clear guards is our biggest need.

How can you say that when we don't know what 3J will be in the longrun yet?

Long term he’s something like KP.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Mobley looks a lot rawer than Wiseman to me. I’d pass no matter where we land in the draft.And i don’t see anything like AD in his game. He’s more like JJJ. Another guy worse than Randle lol.

I also don’t trust Mobley at PF. Would get cooked on the perimeter. He’s a center imo and I think the fit with Mitch is horrible.

Physically he is rawer then Wiseman...but skill wise and athletically he looks much better then Wiseman to me. Think Mobley will be the better overall player long term. Yea, it may take him a year or 2 or whatever...that's fine. A lot of these guys may take some time. We should be looking for the best long term guy anyway.

Skill wise he looks a lot worse. He can’t create anything on his own besides awkward floaters and some post hook shots. I’d pass. He’s fools gold to me. Long term he seems like he’ll be JJJ. Not even an upgrade over Randle. It just doesn’t make any sense for us to take a raw C over guards, when it’s clear guards is our biggest need.

that's what I said in last years draft with drafting Obi/Wiseman...I preferred the Guards in that one and didnt want to take Obi/Wiseman where they were drafted.

In this one i would love Cade or Suggs and taking them top 2...but after them Mobley looks legit to me. Skill wise he def needs to be developed...but its his passing, overall instincts and footwork/athletiscm that is impressive. Def a really high ceiling that I would buy.

i def agree we need to prioritize guards/wings, but we also shouldnt pass on someone who might be the much better prospect. We made that mistake with taking Obi, but that was just a bad pick.

[3toheadmelo]

Physically he is rawer then Wiseman...but skill wise and athletically he looks much better then Wiseman to me. Think Mobley will be the better overall player long term. Yea, it may take him a year or 2 or whatever...that's fine. A lot of these guys may take some time. We should be looking for the best long term guy anyway.

Skill wise he looks a lot worse. He can’t create anything on his own besides awkward floaters and some post hook shots. I’d pass. He’s fools gold to me. Long term he seems like he’ll be JJJ. Not even an upgrade over Randle. It just doesn’t make any sense for us to take a raw C over guards, when it’s clear guards is our biggest need.

that's what I said in last years draft with drafting Obi/Wiseman...I preferred the Guards in that one and didnt want to take Obi/Wiseman where they were drafted.

In this one i would love Cade or Suggs and taking them top 2...but after them Mobley looks legit to me. Skill wise he def needs to be developed...but its his passing, overall instincts and footwork/athletiscm that is impressive. Def a really high ceiling that I would buy.

i def agree we need to prioritize guards/wings, but we also shouldnt pass on someone who might be the much better prospect. We made that mistake with taking Obi, but that was just a bad pick.

I’m not sold on Mobley being a much better prospect than the guards and wings in this draft though. So I guess that’s where we differ. It’s still early so we’ll see. Looking forward to Green and Kuminga in the G League

[cgf]

Skill wise he looks a lot worse. He can’t create anything on his own besides awkward floaters and some post hook shots. I’d pass. He’s fools gold to me. Long term he seems like he’ll be JJJ. Not even an upgrade over Randle. It just doesn’t make any sense for us to take a raw C over guards, when it’s clear guards is our biggest need.

How can you say that when we don't know what 3J will be in the longrun yet?

Long term he’s something like KP.

If Kristaps had 3J's handles he could be the most dangerous scorer in the NBA, despite not knowing how to pass...on which point; Mobley's passing is a big part of what makes him so interesting, how can you compare him to someone you are comparing to Kristaps?

[3toheadmelo]

How can you say that when we don't know what 3J will be in the longrun yet?

Long term he’s something like KP.

If Kristaps had 3J's handles he could be the most dangerous scorer in the NBA, despite not knowing how to pass...on which point; Mobley's passing is a big part of what makes him so interesting, how can you compare him to someone you are comparing to Kristaps?

They both live on the perimeter, horrible rebounders and not that great as defenders.

Mobley’s passing isn’t anything special to me.

[cgf]

Also if we somehow trade Randle, wouldn’t the priority be developing Obi? Mobley would stop that.

Part of the appeal is that his skillset should make Mobley a good fit next to Mitch, Julius, or Obi...so if we did end up with him we could move any of them and still have a good 3-big rotation. His versatility just makes it easy to envision him fitting alongside anyone on the court.

Though I do think he has the quick feet to play the 4 while his body fills out & he develops; like 3J has been, only he's a much smarter defender than JJJ who doesn't foul nearly as much.

[3toheadmelo]

Also if we somehow trade Randle, wouldn’t the priority be developing Obi? Mobley would stop that.

Part of the appeal is that his skillset should make Mobley a good fit next to Mitch, Julius, or Obi...so if we did end up with him we could move any of them and still have a good 3-big rotation. His versatility just makes it easy to envision him fitting alongside anyone on the court.

Though I do think he has the quick feet to play the 4 while his body fills out & he develops; like 3J has been, only he's a much smarter defender than JJJ who doesn't foul nearly as much.

I just don’t see the need for a raw big man when we already have a solid 3 big rotation. We need a upgrade at the guard/wing position badly. And there’s plenty of good ones in this draft.

[cgf]

Long term he’s something like KP.

If Kristaps had 3J's handles he could be the most dangerous scorer in the NBA, despite not knowing how to pass...on which point; Mobley's passing is a big part of what makes him so interesting, how can you compare him to someone you are comparing to Kristaps?

They both live on the perimeter, horrible rebounders and not that great as defenders.

Mobley’s passing isn’t anything special to me.

Guess that's part of the disagreement as well. Purely in terms of vision, the variety of passes he can throw, and not forcing guys to chase his passes, I rate Mobley more than I do Julius.

Not saying he'll be as effective of a playmaker as Julius any time soon...because Randle's ability to draw double-teams is arguably the driving force behind his playmaking, and Mobley will need some time to become an efficient enough scorer to force doubles consistently before he can match/surpass Julius' playmaking.

[cgf]

Also if we somehow trade Randle, wouldn’t the priority be developing Obi? Mobley would stop that.

Part of the appeal is that his skillset should make Mobley a good fit next to Mitch, Julius, or Obi...so if we did end up with him we could move any of them and still have a good 3-big rotation. His versatility just makes it easy to envision him fitting alongside anyone on the court.

Though I do think he has the quick feet to play the 4 while his body fills out & he develops; like 3J has been, only he's a much smarter defender than JJJ who doesn't foul nearly as much.

I just don’t see the need for a raw big man when we already have a solid 3 big rotation. We need a upgrade at the guard/wing position badly. And there’s plenty of good ones in this draft.

There isn't a need, but I don't think the draft should be where you solve immediate needs...and there aren't that many perimeter guys in the lottery who I would bank on making big impacts right away if we don't land Cade or Suggs. So I don't think we should be banking on our draft picks upgrading us there unless the lotto gods smile on us...whether that means making a trade for a Lavine, or signing a Trent Jr or Horton-Tucker.

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Also if we somehow trade Randle, wouldn’t the priority be developing Obi? Mobley would stop that.

How do you figure that? Seems like he’d be a great fit with him to me

Shot blocker so helps cover his defense, actually can shoot a little so won’t always clog the paint for Obi rim runs like Mitch would

[3toheadmelo]

Also if we somehow trade Randle, wouldn’t the priority be developing Obi? Mobley would stop that.

How do you figure that? Seems like he’d be a great fit with him to me

Shot blocker so helps cover his defense, actually can shoot a little so won’t always clog the paint for Obi rim runs like Mitch would

Both need to play C to be the most effective. Not a great fit at all imo. And are we benching Mitch for that front court? I’ll pass.

[DOT]

Also if we somehow trade Randle, wouldn’t the priority be developing Obi? Mobley would stop that.

How do you figure that? Seems like he’d be a great fit with him to me

Shot blocker so helps cover his defense, actually can shoot a little so won’t always clog the paint for Obi rim runs like Mitch would

Both need to play C to be the most effective. Not a great fit at all imo. And are we benching Mitch for that front court? I’ll pass.

That's the problem with Obi in a nutshell

He needs to play C

Although, if Mobley lives up to his potential, he'd be a good fit. Protects the rim and stretches the defense, allows Obi to play C on offense as a PnR guy, then he's the 4 on defense

If we do get Mobley, I would expect us to trade Mitch. Mobley's a better prospect, and Mitch will have value to a contender who needs a role player at C on a cheap contract. But Mobley should be down a couple spots on our board cause our big need is guard/wing.

[knickstape4ever]

If Cade and Suggs are off the board and we get lucky and end up with the 3rd pick would you draft Mobley? I know Melo doesn't really like him but with Randle's and RJ's ascension, would it make sense to try to add a stretch big of his caliber? Do you actually buy him having a jumper at the next level? He's not really shooting threes at the high of a volume but I think there's upside as a shooter, since he's got pretty good touch. I don't think our defense would drop off that much. Mobley has pretty good shot blocking skills and looks mobile enough to defend the perimeter. I think it should be something we should consider since we really do need an upgrade in offensive talent over someone like Mitch. Mobley can actually put the ball on the floor and I've seen him actually find players with good passes. He could be a real unicorn type big man.

I'd take Green b/c he's #2 on my board

My top 5 in order:
Cade
Green
Suggs
Mobley
Kuminga

[knickstape4ever]

Ideally I want a guard or wing but would make an exception for Mobley if he's there and the bpa. He looks like he can be a unicorn big. Short term, he can play PF fine especially since he needs to gain some strength. He is mobile enough to guard anywhere on the floor....maybe even long term he plays PF like AD. Him and Mitch would be dominant on defense. Apologies to Randle, but can sell high while we can.

I still have to check out Kuminga/Green though.

Mobley looks a lot rawer than Wiseman to me. I’d pass no matter where we land in the draft.And i don’t see anything like AD in his game. He’s more like JJJ. Another guy worse than Randle lol.

I also don’t trust Mobley at PF. Would get cooked on the perimeter. He’s a center imo and I think the fit with Mitch is horrible.

Mobley is not more raw than Wiseman, yes physically, but skill-wise, he's more advanced. he's a great rim protector w/ the foot speed to guard the perimeter. he can shoot, pass, put the ball on the floor

I'm not worried about his weight b/c he's 19. he'll get stronger w/ age and an NBA strength and conditioning program

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offers so much more offensive versatility than Mitch

[knickstape4ever]

How do you figure that? Seems like he’d be a great fit with him to me

Shot blocker so helps cover his defense, actually can shoot a little so won’t always clog the paint for Obi rim runs like Mitch would

Both need to play C to be the most effective. Not a great fit at all imo. And are we benching Mitch for that front court? I’ll pass.

That's the problem with Obi in a nutshell

He needs to play C

Although, if Mobley lives up to his potential, he'd be a good fit. Protects the rim and stretches the defense, allows Obi to play C on offense as a PnR guy, then he's the 4 on defense

If we do get Mobley, I would expect us to trade Mitch. Mobley's a better prospect, and Mitch will have value to a contender who needs a role player at C on a cheap contract. But Mobley should be down a couple spots on our board cause our big need is guard/wing.

Obi isn't a C tho and he'd be absolutely killed defensively b/c he's not strong enough AND isn't a rim protector

we hate on KP for being a weak defender at C, Obi would be worse. at least KP will block some shots

[DOT]

Both need to play C to be the most effective. Not a great fit at all imo. And are we benching Mitch for that front court? I’ll pass.

That's the problem with Obi in a nutshell

He needs to play C

Although, if Mobley lives up to his potential, he'd be a good fit. Protects the rim and stretches the defense, allows Obi to play C on offense as a PnR guy, then he's the 4 on defense

If we do get Mobley, I would expect us to trade Mitch. Mobley's a better prospect, and Mitch will have value to a contender who needs a role player at C on a cheap contract. But Mobley should be down a couple spots on our board cause our big need is guard/wing.

Obi isn't a C tho and he'd be absolutely killed defensively b/c he's not strong enough AND isn't a rim protector

we hate on KP for being a weak defender at C, Obi would be worse. at least KP will block some shots

That's why it's a problem

He's a C on offense in the body of a SF with the lateral movement of a PF.

[cgf]

Both need to play C to be the most effective. Not a great fit at all imo. And are we benching Mitch for that front court? I’ll pass.

That's the problem with Obi in a nutshell

He needs to play C

Although, if Mobley lives up to his potential, he'd be a good fit. Protects the rim and stretches the defense, allows Obi to play C on offense as a PnR guy, then he's the 4 on defense

If we do get Mobley, I would expect us to trade Mitch. Mobley's a better prospect, and Mitch will have value to a contender who needs a role player at C on a cheap contract. But Mobley should be down a couple spots on our board cause our big need is guard/wing.

Obi isn't a C tho and he'd be absolutely killed defensively b/c he's not strong enough AND isn't a rim protector

we hate on KP for being a weak defender at C, Obi would be worse. at least KP will block some shots

While this is certainly true now...I'm not so sure that Obi can't learn to do a lot of Taj things on the defensive end & be a capable smallball 5. His feet aren't anywhere near as slow as I was worried they would be.

[knickstape4ever]

That's the problem with Obi in a nutshell

He needs to play C

Although, if Mobley lives up to his potential, he'd be a good fit. Protects the rim and stretches the defense, allows Obi to play C on offense as a PnR guy, then he's the 4 on defense

If we do get Mobley, I would expect us to trade Mitch. Mobley's a better prospect, and Mitch will have value to a contender who needs a role player at C on a cheap contract. But Mobley should be down a couple spots on our board cause our big need is guard/wing.

Obi isn't a C tho and he'd be absolutely killed defensively b/c he's not strong enough AND isn't a rim protector

we hate on KP for being a weak defender at C, Obi would be worse. at least KP will block some shots

That's why it's a problem

He's a C on offense in the body of a SF with the lateral movement of a PF.

agreed. I'd love to know how the FO really evaluated him b/c he was not high on my board. I tried to be a good fan and give him a chance and get excited post-draft, but i just dont see it

Obi played C in college and a lot of his points came from dunking on lesser athletes. he's got little to no face-up game, he's not a back to the basket post player, and his shooting looks bad.....and that's not even mentioning his poor defense

What was the role the FO envisioned for Obi?