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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VII: Where do we go from here? 

Post#381 » by The Effect » Mon Feb 1, 2021 11:56 pm

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The Effect wrote:With cliff as coach, no, expect to see alot more Clark at PF and birch at C


Clark is going to start at PF.

Until Okeke is back, which seems like it may be relatively soon, it seems like it will be Birch at backup PF and Bamba at backup C.

Jordan Bone almost assuredly is going to be back in the rotation since Clifford can't use Gordon as his defacto backup PG anymore either.

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Post#382 » by JBSouthpaw » Mon Feb 1, 2021 11:57 pm

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Awesome news, we should give him all the playing time he can handle.

Hope that cole and okeke maximize their opportunities!


I figured someone was going to be activated, I assume AG is down a couple games.
Get ready for some Gary Clark in your starting lineup!

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Post#383 » by MagicStarwipe » Mon Feb 1, 2021 11:59 pm

Magicfanatic82 wrote:AG and Evan should get moved first. Birch could maybe get paired with a 2nd to get someone like Shamet or another young wing.
There us value to Vuc and Ross being on the roster. If we get a high pick, they take scoring pressure off of the young players and provide spacing for Isaac and Fultz. They also by all accounts are solid in the locker room. Same with Aminu, his value is so low he is fine as depth and a vet for us.


The teams culture won't change until Vuc is gone. With him being here so long as the centrepiece, we've taken on his personality. No matter what other players we bring in, this is Vuc's team. Time for him to go to a team where he isn't the best player and time for us to begin a new era.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VII: Where do we go from here? 

Post#384 » by Blue_and_Whte » Tue Feb 2, 2021 12:08 am

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Magicfanatic82 wrote:Awesome news, we should give him all the playing time he can handle.

Hope that cole and okeke maximize their opportunities!


I figured someone was going to be activated, I assume AG is down a couple games.
Get ready for some Gary Clark in your starting lineup!

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Post#385 » by Magicfanatic82 » Tue Feb 2, 2021 12:11 am

AG is going to miss the remaining games for the 1st half of our season. We should have a difficult schedule for the 2nd half. Our 1st half schedule was a bottom 5 in terms of opposition quality.
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Post#386 » by cedric76 » Tue Feb 2, 2021 12:19 am

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Post#387 » by fklt » Tue Feb 2, 2021 12:27 am

MagicStarwipe wrote:The teams culture won't change until Vuc is gone. With him being here so long as the centrepiece, we've taken on his personality. No matter what other players we bring in, this is Vuc's team. Time for him to go to a team where he isn't the best player and time for us to begin a new era.


this has always been one of your most out there takes for years. somehow vuc is the amazingly influential player to shape the team in his image, and that's why we're bad. like, vuc is the best performing of them by far, but the reason the rest of the team sucks is that they're just too much like vuc. c'mon man, how many mental hoops you have to jump through to believe that.
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Post#388 » by basketballRob » Tue Feb 2, 2021 12:31 am

Chuma will probably eventually start over Clark, if he can stay healthy.

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Post#389 » by Howard Mass » Tue Feb 2, 2021 12:54 am

With all the injuries, the rest of this season is mostly going to be about what happens from now until The Trading Deadline and the development of Cole Anthony, Mo Bamba and Chuma Okeke.

I do expect some Trades particularly of Evan Fournier and possibly Aaron Gordon.

It will all be about setting up for next season when Jonathan Issac will be back and Markelle Fultz will be close to returning.
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Post#390 » by MagicStarwipe » Tue Feb 2, 2021 1:03 am

fklt wrote:
MagicStarwipe wrote:The teams culture won't change until Vuc is gone. With him being here so long as the centrepiece, we've taken on his personality. No matter what other players we bring in, this is Vuc's team. Time for him to go to a team where he isn't the best player and time for us to begin a new era.


this has always been one of your most out there takes for years. somehow vuc is the amazingly influential player to shape the team in his image, and that's why we're bad. like, vuc is the best performing of them by far, but the reason the rest of the team sucks is that they're just too much like vuc. c'mon man, how many mental hoops you have to jump through to believe that.


Uh... yeah, that's not why we're bad and that's not what I said. We're bad because of our lack of talent. But Vuc 100% sets the tone for our team personality and culture because of his longevity and place on the team.
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Post#391 » by Magic#1 » Tue Feb 2, 2021 1:30 am

There's legitimately no reason not to tank now. There are four teams below us right now and I see at least two (Miami and Washington) being better. I would think Minnesota will be better, too. If we start next season with a top prospect and a healthy JI and Fultz, we might actually have a team for the future. It's past time to reconstruct this roster. We're one injury away (Vooch) from easily having the worst starting five in the league.
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Post#392 » by Blue_and_Whte » Tue Feb 2, 2021 1:47 am

Howard Mass wrote:With all the injuries, the rest of this season is mostly going to be about what happens from now until The Trading Deadline and the development of Cole Anthony, Mo Bamba and Chuma Okeke.

I do expect some Trades particularly of Evan Fournier and possibly Aaron Gordon.

It will all be about setting up for next season when Jonathan Issac will be back and Markelle Fultz will be close to returning.

The most logical thing that needs to happen. Will it though?
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Post#393 » by RookieStar » Tue Feb 2, 2021 1:48 am

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Magicfanatic82 wrote:
Knightro wrote:
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Awesome news, we should give him all the playing time he can handle.

Hope that cole and okeke maximize their opportunities!


Barring any trades, seeing what Cole Okeke and Bamba can give us is the only reason why I tune in to magic games this season
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Post#394 » by Howard Mass » Tue Feb 2, 2021 1:51 am

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
Howard Mass wrote:With all the injuries, the rest of this season is mostly going to be about what happens from now until The Trading Deadline and the development of Cole Anthony, Mo Bamba and Chuma Okeke.

I do expect some Trades particularly of Evan Fournier and possibly Aaron Gordon.

It will all be about setting up for next season when Jonathan Issac will be back and Markelle Fultz will be close to returning.

The most logical thing that needs to happen. Will it though?


it should and I think at least Fournier does.

If not, a lot of questions will be asked.
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Post#395 » by RookieStar » Tue Feb 2, 2021 1:52 am

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Magicfanatic82 wrote:
Knightro wrote:
Read on Twitter

Awesome news, we should give him all the playing time he can handle.

Hope that cole and okeke maximize their opportunities!


Barring any trades, seeing what Cole Okeke and Bamba can give us is the only reason why I tune in to magic games this season
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Post#396 » by RookieStar » Tue Feb 2, 2021 1:54 am

basketballRob wrote:Chuma will probably eventually start over Clark, if he can stay healthy.

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Well... before he was injured, Chuma already bumped Clark out of the rotation no?
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Post#397 » by Knightro » Tue Feb 2, 2021 2:05 am

RookieStar wrote:Well... before he was injured, Chuma already bumped Clark out of the rotation no?


Correct.

When the majority of the team was healthy, the rotation was...

Fultz-Fournier-Bacon-Gordon-Vucevic
Anthony-MCW-Ross-Okeke-Birch

Clark was out of the rotation. But I think they're going to take it slow with Okeke and bring him off the bench to start out.
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Post#398 » by pepe1991 » Tue Feb 2, 2021 2:09 am

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Magicfanatic82 wrote:AG and Evan should get moved first. Birch could maybe get paired with a 2nd to get someone like Shamet or another young wing.
There us value to Vuc and Ross being on the roster. If we get a high pick, they take scoring pressure off of the young players and provide spacing for Isaac and Fultz. They also by all accounts are solid in the locker room. Same with Aminu, his value is so low he is fine as depth and a vet for us.


The teams culture won't change until Vuc is gone. With him being here so long as the centrepiece, we've taken on his personality. No matter what other players we bring in, this is Vuc's team. Time for him to go to a team where he isn't the best player and time for us to begin a new era.


Where i don't care whether or not Vuc would be traded, i find this thought process very idiotic one.
NBA is talent driven league. In past 9 years ,since Vuc has been part of organisation, not a single nba player he played with was actually better basketball player than him.
And guess what, it's not like he was man in charge of free agency, trades and failed draft decisons. He always was safe net for terrible coaches, terrible GMs and terrible presidents of basketball operations. Him being good player on it's own, despite incopetence all around him made their jobs more secured than they should be.

Your opinion would have some validity if Vuc was some hot head bully like Whiteside or Cousins that is literally bulling his path toward usage, panderin offense to him and scares coaches into defering to him. Vuc is most lay low, supportive player Magic got. Every single young player raved how much Vuc helped him, on other side, Vuc was first to defend Isaac not kneeling for national anthem and was supportive about Fultz taking over 4th quaters. For crying out loud guy celebrated Cole's buzzerbeater more than Cole lol

So in general this is very missleading comment. Magic didn't took his personality, Magic are just as good as their best player is. And that's good enough to make playoffs if they are healthy, and not good enough to win playoff series. That's what Vuc is, supporting,complimentary star. But it's not his fault "complimentary star" is closest thing to good player team got since Dwight left. It's literally fault of everybody around him, but him, including players, especially lottery picks, who flat out did not work hard enough to get there ( Gordon, Payton, Hezonja, Oladipo pre trade, Isaac, Bamba... you name it ).
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Post#399 » by Skybox » Tue Feb 2, 2021 2:14 am

pepe1991 wrote:
MagicStarwipe wrote:
Magicfanatic82 wrote:AG and Evan should get moved first. Birch could maybe get paired with a 2nd to get someone like Shamet or another young wing.
There us value to Vuc and Ross being on the roster. If we get a high pick, they take scoring pressure off of the young players and provide spacing for Isaac and Fultz. They also by all accounts are solid in the locker room. Same with Aminu, his value is so low he is fine as depth and a vet for us.


The teams culture won't change until Vuc is gone. With him being here so long as the centrepiece, we've taken on his personality. No matter what other players we bring in, this is Vuc's team. Time for him to go to a team where he isn't the best player and time for us to begin a new era.


Where i don't care whether or not Vuc would be traded, i find this thought process very idiotic one.
NBA is talent driven league. In past 9 years ,since Vuc has been part of organisation, not a single nba player he played with was actually better basketball player than him.
And guess what, it's not like he was man in charge of free agency, trades and failed draft decisons. He always was safe net for terrible coaches, terrible GMs and terrible presidents of basketball operations. Him being good player on it's own, despite incopetence all around him made their jobs more secured than they should be.

Your opinion would have some validity if Vuc was some hot head bully like Whiteside or Cousins that is literally bulling his path toward usage, panderin offense to him and scares coaches into defering to him. Vuc is most lay low, supportive player Magic got. Every single young player raved how much Vuc helped him, on other side, Vuc was first to defend Isaac not kneeling for national anthem and was supportive about Fultz taking over 4th quaters. For crying out loud guy celebrated Cole's buzzerbeater more than Cole lol

So in general this is very missleading comment. Magic didn't took his personality, Magic are just as good as their best player is. And that's good enough to make playoffs if they are healthy, and not good enough to win playoff series. That's what Vuc is, supporting,complimentary star. But it's not his fault "complimentary star" is closest thing to good player team got since Dwight left. It's literally fault of everybody around him, but him, including players, especially lottery picks, who flat out did not work hard enough to get there ( Gordon, Payton, Hezonja, Oladipo pre trade, Isaac, Bamba... you name it ).


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Post#400 » by EasternMagic » Tue Feb 2, 2021 2:55 am

Fire sale time!!!

It's time!

Trade Fournier for a soda machine!
Trade Vuc for the best available offer!
Trade AG if he can come back before the deadline!

Play Cole!
Play Bamba!
Play Chuma!
Get a good draft pick!
This is the year to do it! Don't hedge the future on making the playoffs in a throwaway year.

I have never supported tanking, however, when your roster has put you in a place where tanking is the only option, may as well lean in.

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