Trade Talk (Part Five)

[Norseman79]

I'm a little more curious about the Suns.

Say we suck again and Towns decides he's done. Say also that the Suns underperform and don't even make the play-in, with some rumblings that Booker is looking for an out.

You could do Towns, Russell and Hernangomez for Ayton, Paul, Smith and Crowder, plus 3-4 1sts/swaps and however many 2nds. Assuming we're bad/lucky enough to keep our 1st this season and say we'll take Suggs as the future PG, that would give us a Paul-Beasley-Edwards-Crowder-Ayton SLU to try and win games in the following season when we'd for sure lose our pick, with guys like Suggs and McDaniels off the bench to eventually take over for when Paul and Crowder are traded or leave. Paul wipes off Russell's salary essentially as he expires and Ayton might demand a max but maybe not (he's not exactly blowing anyone away) so we could end up saving some compared to Towns too. That should give us some wiggle room to either sign vets (even if we have to overpay) or to take on salary for additional picks.

Because PHX traded a 1st for Paul it is hard to make a deal with them, moreover I don't think we want Paul. That deal is an easy NO in my mind, someone will offer better.

I'm a little more curious about the Suns.

Say we suck again and Towns decides he's done. Say also that the Suns underperform and don't even make the play-in, with some rumblings that Booker is looking for an out.

You could do Towns, Russell and Hernangomez for Ayton, Paul, Smith and Crowder, plus 3-4 1sts/swaps and however many 2nds. Assuming we're bad/lucky enough to keep our 1st this season and say we'll take Suggs as the future PG, that would give us a Paul-Beasley-Edwards-Crowder-Ayton SLU to try and win games in the following season when we'd for sure lose our pick, with guys like Suggs and McDaniels off the bench to eventually take over for when Paul and Crowder are traded or leave. Paul wipes off Russell's salary essentially as he expires and Ayton might demand a max but maybe not (he's not exactly blowing anyone away) so we could end up saving some compared to Towns too. That should give us some wiggle room to either sign vets (even if we have to overpay) or to take on salary for additional picks.

Because PHX traded a 1st for Paul it is hard to make a deal with them, moreover I don't think we want Paul. That deal is an easy NO in my mind, someone will offer better.

The best trade is with Warriors. Sadly.

Wiseman
Oubre Jr.
Paschall
2021 Wolves 1st
2021 Warriors 1st (21-30 protected)
2026 Warriors 1st
2022&2023 Warriors 1st Swap

But I would look for a third team who may offer a bad contract + asset for expiring Oubre, maybe Paschall, plus Hernangomez and/or Beasley.

No, the best Town's trade is the one for the one overall and the most prospects and picks we can get and includes DLo going with him.

That said, maybe Towns comes back, Saunders figures it out, starts McDaniels, rotations get fixed, DLo plays up to his contract and Wolves win out....ahhhhh...am I doing this right homers?

[Wolveswin]

The best trade is with Warriors. Sadly.

How do you figure that?

Wiseman
Oubre Jr.
Paschall
2021 Wolves 1st
2021 Warriors 1st (21-30 protected)
2026 Warriors 1st
2022&2023 Warriors 1st Swap

But I would look for a third team who may offer a bad contract + asset for expiring Oubre, maybe Paschall, plus Hernangomez and/or Beasley.

no thanks Protected picks for where they will likely pick is included for what exactly? Then wait another 5 years for the next pick? Are you a Warriors poster who added a Wolves posting account? Second time I think I've seen you include Paschall.

Protected picks? Only 1st that is protected has to be because they owe 2021 to OKC 1-20 protected.

If Wolves are trading Towns, they have to recover their 1st. Getting lucky not gifting #4 2021 is not a plan. Luck is not a plan. Or worse, hoping 2022 double draft Wolves don’t gift GSW a top three 1st. Hope is not a plan.

The best owed 1st in the NBA happens to be in San Francisco and happens to be Wolves’s 1st. Otherwise any Towns trades might return more quantity but less quality in draft capital. Most star trades reward trading team a bunch of late 1sts because they come from team that just acquired said star — and put acquiring team in top 15 teams.

And that late 1st is one that smart GMs want. Gamble the team trading for your star is on decline in the future, maybe even crash and burns before your acquired 1sts come due. So for you to try and belittle reflects your lack of understanding draft capital.

Do you even think before you post? If your goal is to be condescending and come across very unintelligent — you have succeeded over and over.

[Wolveswin]

Because PHX traded a 1st for Paul it is hard to make a deal with them, moreover I don't think we want Paul. That deal is an easy NO in my mind, someone will offer better.

Because PHX traded a 1st for Paul it is hard to make a deal with them, moreover I don't think we want Paul. That deal is an easy NO in my mind, someone will offer better.

The best trade is with Warriors. Sadly.

Wiseman
Oubre Jr.
Paschall
2021 Wolves 1st
2021 Warriors 1st (21-30 protected)
2026 Warriors 1st
2022&2023 Warriors 1st Swap

But I would look for a third team who may offer a bad contract + asset for expiring Oubre, maybe Paschall, plus Hernangomez and/or Beasley.

No, the best Town's trade is the one for the one overall and the most prospects and picks we can get and includes DLo going with him.

That said, maybe Towns comes back, Saunders figures it out, starts McDaniels, rotations get fixed, DLo plays up to his contract and Wolves win out....ahhhhh...am I doing this right homers?

Nope. Russell going with Towns only dilutes Towns value. Never never compromise star trade return attaching a negative asset.

Now, if team trading for Towns has a near or equal bad asset to trade in return for Russell — different discussion.

[shangrila]

I’d do that trade if wolves keep their pick this offseason tbh. Wiseman, Edwards, plus one (Suggs or Cunningham or Mobley) and possibly Holmgren or Bates, core in 3-4 seasons sounds amazing.

I’d then trade Culver, Dlo,Okogie, Layman, Hernanagomez and Rubio. keep Beasley to keep getting higher value.

It will be weird seeeing Kat and Wiggs winning an nba title with the Warriors though.

I'm a little more curious about the Suns.

Say we suck again and Towns decides he's done. Say also that the Suns underperform and don't even make the play-in, with some rumblings that Booker is looking for an out.

You could do Towns, Russell and Hernangomez for Ayton, Paul, Smith and Crowder, plus 3-4 1sts/swaps and however many 2nds. Assuming we're bad/lucky enough to keep our 1st this season and say we'll take Suggs as the future PG, that would give us a Paul-Beasley-Edwards-Crowder-Ayton SLU to try and win games in the following season when we'd for sure lose our pick, with guys like Suggs and McDaniels off the bench to eventually take over for when Paul and Crowder are traded or leave. Paul wipes off Russell's salary essentially as he expires and Ayton might demand a max but maybe not (he's not exactly blowing anyone away) so we could end up saving some compared to Towns too. That should give us some wiggle room to either sign vets (even if we have to overpay) or to take on salary for additional picks.

Because PHX traded a 1st for Paul it is hard to make a deal with them, moreover I don't think we want Paul. That deal is an easy NO in my mind, someone will offer better.

Paul is essentially an expiring to get off Russell's money, that also keeps us competitive during the year we'd be losing our pick.

I actually explained that in my post but who reads before responding, amirite?

[shrink]

With the serious ankle sprain to Aaron Gordon, you fans of his may finally have an opportunity his year.

Rubio and Vanderbilt for Gordon

Not my cup of tea, but ORL always seems like they want to be a first round exit in the playoffs, so ..

[Wolveswin]

The best trade is with Warriors. Sadly.

How do you figure that?

Wiseman
Oubre Jr.
Paschall
2021 Wolves 1st
2021 Warriors 1st (21-30 protected)
2026 Warriors 1st
2022&2023 Warriors 1st Swap

But I would look for a third team who may offer a bad contract + asset for expiring Oubre, maybe Paschall, plus Hernangomez and/or Beasley.

no thanks Protected picks for where they will likely pick is included for what exactly? Then wait another 5 years for the next pick? Are you a Warriors poster who added a Wolves posting account? Second time I think I've seen you include Paschall.

Also, we only have one open roster spot at the moment...might make it hard without a deal to open up another and then the question is who or how? As the above deal doesn't work/isn't an option in a vacuum.

It does work. Warriors have small TPE’s to acquire Wolves filler as needed to make trade work re: roster spots.

[Norseman79]

The best trade is with Warriors. Sadly.

Wiseman
Oubre Jr.
Paschall
2021 Wolves 1st
2021 Warriors 1st (21-30 protected)
2026 Warriors 1st
2022&2023 Warriors 1st Swap

But I would look for a third team who may offer a bad contract + asset for expiring Oubre, maybe Paschall, plus Hernangomez and/or Beasley.

No, the best Town's trade is the one for the one overall and the most prospects and picks we can get and includes DLo going with him.

That said, maybe Towns comes back, Saunders figures it out, starts McDaniels, rotations get fixed, DLo plays up to his contract and Wolves win out....ahhhhh...am I doing this right homers?

Nope. Russell going with Towns only dilutes Towns value. Never never compromise star trade return attaching a negative asset.

Now, if team trading for Towns has a near or equal bad asset to trade in return for Russell — different discussion.

Yeah, not quite. You just need to find the right team with enough expirings who needs a pg...see the Knicks. You do not trade Towns to a Western Conference team unless the offer is too good to be true....or the other team is too bad to be good.

[Klomp]

I'm a sucker sometimes for lessor known sports sites and individual tweeters because i get really annoyed only reading about Lebron/Davis/houston/warriors/Giannis/Clippers/Nets insert superstacked team a,b,c flavor of the season. The league is so much larger than that but not exactly covered by the "reputable" guys. I'd like to hear about the less talked about rumors sometimes too.

Team beat reporters are who you want then. Those are the guys who are going to have the sources.

[Wolveswin]

No, the best Town's trade is the one for the one overall and the most prospects and picks we can get and includes DLo going with him.

That said, maybe Towns comes back, Saunders figures it out, starts McDaniels, rotations get fixed, DLo plays up to his contract and Wolves win out....ahhhhh...am I doing this right homers?

Nope. Russell going with Towns only dilutes Towns value. Never never compromise star trade return attaching a negative asset.

Now, if team trading for Towns has a near or equal bad asset to trade in return for Russell — different discussion.

Yeah, not quite. You just need to find the right team with enough expirings who needs a pg...see the Knicks. You do not trade Towns to a Western Conference team unless the offer is too good to be true....or the other team is too bad to be good.

I would trade him to Warriors. Wolves need that first back. Best owed 1st in NBA.

Plus Towns (and Wiggins) might have a few good years with aging GSW core, but by the time the 19 and 20yo core of Wolves rebuild is ready to do anything, Warriors will be aged out — and most likely looking to recoup assets for soon expiring Towns.

[Norseman79]

Nope. Russell going with Towns only dilutes Towns value. Never never compromise star trade return attaching a negative asset.

Now, if team trading for Towns has a near or equal bad asset to trade in return for Russell — different discussion.

Yeah, not quite. You just need to find the right team with enough expirings who needs a pg...see the Knicks. You do not trade Towns to a Western Conference team unless the offer is too good to be true....or the other team is too bad to be good.

I would trade him to Warriors. Wolves need that first back. Best owed 1st in NBA.

Plus Towns (and Wiggins) might have a few good years with aging GSW core, but by the time the 19 and 20yo core of Wolves rebuild is ready to do anything, Warriors will be aged out — and most likely looking to recoup assets for soon expiring Towns.

And if the Wolves end up keeping the pick and can deal Towns to another team for a better pick? What then?

[Jedzz]

Nope. Russell going with Towns only dilutes Towns value. Never never compromise star trade return attaching a negative asset.

Now, if team trading for Towns has a near or equal bad asset to trade in return for Russell — different discussion.

Yeah, not quite. You just need to find the right team with enough expirings who needs a pg...see the Knicks. You do not trade Towns to a Western Conference team unless the offer is too good to be true....or the other team is too bad to be good.

I would trade him to Warriors. Wolves need that first back. Best owed 1st in NBA.

Plus Towns (and Wiggins) might have a few good years with aging GSW core, but by the time the 19 and 20yo core of Wolves rebuild is ready to do anything, Warriors will be aged out — and most likely looking to recoup assets for soon expiring Towns.

This guy is basically confirming he is a warrior fan in sheeps clothing. "Trade us Towns, but don't send Dlo back with him..."

We need our first back...waaaaa that's all that matters...baaaah . Am I way off base Wolveswin? You would tell me, right?

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[Neeva]

Wolves do need their first back though lol
They need Bates or Chet with no Towns period!

[Wolveswin]

Yeah, not quite. You just need to find the right team with enough expirings who needs a pg...see the Knicks. You do not trade Towns to a Western Conference team unless the offer is too good to be true....or the other team is too bad to be good.

I would trade him to Warriors. Wolves need that first back. Best owed 1st in NBA.

Plus Towns (and Wiggins) might have a few good years with aging GSW core, but by the time the 19 and 20yo core of Wolves rebuild is ready to do anything, Warriors will be aged out — and most likely looking to recoup assets for soon expiring Towns.

And if the Wolves end up keeping the pick and can deal Towns to another team for a better pick? What then?

Did you forget the owed 2022 1st becomes unprotected?

So if your plan is luck into 2021 top 3 — even though luck is not a plan — then hope Wolves minus Towns and Russell don’t gift Warriors a top 3 1st in a double draft? And hope is not a plan.

[theGreatRC]

Culver for PJ Tucker...

young guy they can take a chance on

[Wolveswin]

Yeah, not quite. You just need to find the right team with enough expirings who needs a pg...see the Knicks. You do not trade Towns to a Western Conference team unless the offer is too good to be true....or the other team is too bad to be good.

I would trade him to Warriors. Wolves need that first back. Best owed 1st in NBA.

Plus Towns (and Wiggins) might have a few good years with aging GSW core, but by the time the 19 and 20yo core of Wolves rebuild is ready to do anything, Warriors will be aged out — and most likely looking to recoup assets for soon expiring Towns.

This guy is basically confirming he is a warrior fan in sheeps clothing. "Trade us Towns, but don't send Dlo back with him..."

We need our first back...waaaaa that's all that matters...baaaah . Am I way off base Wolveswin? You would tell me, right?

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

How old are you? I should have listened to Shrink (and others) about you.

[Jedzz]

Nope. Russell going with Towns only dilutes Towns value. Never never compromise star trade return attaching a negative asset.

I would trade him to Warriors. Wolves need that first back. Best owed 1st in NBA.

Plus Towns (and Wiggins) might have a few good years with aging GSW core, but by the time the 19 and 20yo core of Wolves rebuild is ready to do anything, Warriors will be aged out — and most likely looking to recoup assets for soon expiring Towns.

This guy is basically confirming he is a warrior fan in sheeps clothing. "Trade us Towns, but don't send Dlo back with him..."

We need our first back...waaaaa that's all that matters...baaaah . Am I way off base Wolveswin? You would tell me, right?

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

How old are you? I should have listened to Shrink (and others) about you.

okay Tell us again about the detailed info you have on Warriors small TPE's they have.

You have been selling us on a Towns to Warriors trade for how long exactly? Best possible trade we could find!

Gotta get the 2021 back! By giving them Towns for nothing. We all want to wait until 2026 for the Towns payoff. Maybe we should throw in some pick swaps with the team that will be in the finals for the next decade. You won...my disbelief in you.

[Norseman79]

I would trade him to Warriors. Wolves need that first back. Best owed 1st in NBA.

Plus Towns (and Wiggins) might have a few good years with aging GSW core, but by the time the 19 and 20yo core of Wolves rebuild is ready to do anything, Warriors will be aged out — and most likely looking to recoup assets for soon expiring Towns.

And if the Wolves end up keeping the pick and can deal Towns to another team for a better pick? What then?

Did you forget the owed 2022 1st becomes unprotected?

So if your plan is luck into 2021 top 3 — even though luck is not a plan — then hope Wolves minus Towns and Russell don’t gift Warriors a top 3 1st in a double draft? And hope is not a plan.

Nope, didn't forget at all. There is no guarantee that the 2022 pick would be top three or four either. In addition the Wolves would be getting picks back for Towns from whatever team they send him too.

[IceManBK1]

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I think a drummonds and towns front court could work since towns like to hang around the perimeter.

[Wolveswin]

This guy is basically confirming he is a warrior fan in sheeps clothing. "Trade us Towns, but don't send Dlo back with him..."

We need our first back...waaaaa that's all that matters...baaaah . Am I way off base Wolveswin? You would tell me, right?

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

How old are you? I should have listened to Shrink (and others) about you.

okay Tell us again about the detailed info you have on Warriors small TPE's they have.

You have been selling us on a Towns to Warriors trade for how long exactly? Best possible trade we could find!

Gotta get the 2021 back! By giving them Towns for nothing. We all want to wait until 2026 for the Towns payoff. Maybe we should throw in some pick swaps with the team that will be in the finals for the next decade. You won...my disbelief in you.

Jeddz you are the RGM definition for proper use of ignore feature. But I will give you credit. You will be my first ignore. Congratulations you are the most immature poster I have come across. +1 this post if Jedzz is also on your ignore list.

[Wolveswin]

And if the Wolves end up keeping the pick and can deal Towns to another team for a better pick? What then?

Did you forget the owed 2022 1st becomes unprotected?

So if your plan is luck into 2021 top 3 — even though luck is not a plan — then hope Wolves minus Towns and Russell don’t gift Warriors a top 3 1st in a double draft? And hope is not a plan.

Nope, didn't forget at all. There is no guarantee that the 2022 pick would be top three or four either. In addition the Wolves would be getting picks back for Towns from whatever team they send him too.

Hey if you want a plan of luck and hope — go for it. Not my strategy.

Yes, they would get picks from whatever team they send Towns...but a soon to be really good or great team. If you want 4x 1sts from a great team, sure have at it.