Cavs 2020-21 season

[jbk1234]

And we have no-NBA caliber PFs active for tonight's game against a team that has AD and LBJ:

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[JonFromVA]

Let's call this a "check point" because I don't want to jump on a player who only has 13 games and not much of a pre-season under his belt ... he's also been penalized for being healthy when Sexton/Garland were not; but Isaac Okoro inspite of his effort on defense has a -7.9 on-court +/- and a -9.9 on-off. Our defensive rating is +11.2 higher(worse) when Isaac is on the floor.

Let's hope that improves ... and we see more impact on both sides of the ball from Isaac as he gets used to the league, watches tape, and learns tendencies.

[jbk1234]

Let's call this a "check point" because I don't want to jump on a player who only has 13 games and not much of a pre-season under his belt ... he's also been penalized for being healthy when Sexton/Garland were not; but Isaac Okoro inspite of his effort on defense has a -7.9 on-court +/- and a -9.9 on-off. Our defensive rating is +11.2 higher(worse) when Isaac is on the floor.

Let's hope that improves ... and we see more impact on both sides of the ball from Isaac as he gets used to the league, watches tape, and learns tendencies.

We are putting him on the other team's best scorer almost every night. It's why they adjust the ratings numbers with RPM. If you slide Cedi, Sexton, or Prince over on the same guy, there's a non-zero chance the numbers are worse.

It's one of the reasons I've never been as down on Cedi as other fans. He's usually been asked to take the tougher defensive assignments.

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[JonFromVA]

Let's call this a "check point" because I don't want to jump on a player who only has 13 games and not much of a pre-season under his belt ... he's also been penalized for being healthy when Sexton/Garland were not; but Isaac Okoro inspite of his effort on defense has a -7.9 on-court +/- and a -9.9 on-off. Our defensive rating is +11.2 higher(worse) when Isaac is on the floor.

Let's hope that improves ... and we see more impact on both sides of the ball from Isaac as he gets used to the league, watches tape, and learns tendencies.

We are putting him on the other team's best scorer almost every night. It's why they adjust the ratings numbers with RPM. If you slide Cedi, Sexton, or Prince over on the same guy, there's a non-zero chance the numbers are worse.

It's one of the reasons I've never been as down on Cedi as other fans. He's usually been asked to take the tougher defensive assignments.

An effective defender can really lift a team and improve a defense, so, it seems that while Isaac and Cedi try hard on defense, they're not having much success impacting the defense.

And as impressive as Isaac has been on D at times, we're still handing out a lot of big games to opponents. We probably shouldn't be leaving Isaac on an island .vs. the best players in the league 13 games in to his rookie season ... but the Cavs may think of it as an investment.

It just may take a while to see the payoff, but that's why I called this a "check point". As Isaac learns the league, we should see his impact in the numbers.

I'm personally not fond of stats like RPM or RAPM as I feel they're harder to analyze, but RPM over at nba.com isn't trying to tell us anything different. Larry and interestingly Collin are our early season defensive bright spots. I'd say JaVale too, but I couldn't find him on the RPM list, but as a team we defend better when JaVale, Collin, or Larry are on the floor.

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RPM may say Colin has been good defensively, but I'm not buying it. Has he been better? I would say yes for the most part, but he still loses his guy/assignment too often especially in transition. He is getting over picks better and is staying in front of his player when his player has the ball better as well so I'm not trying to be down on him but I still wouldn't call him good on D just yet.

[JonFromVA]

RPM may say Colin has been good defensively, but I'm not buying it. Has he been better? I would say yes for the most part, but he still loses his guy/assignment too often especially in transition. He is getting over picks better and is staying in front of his player when his player has the ball better as well so I'm not trying to be down on him but I still wouldn't call him good on D just yet.

The on/off data also likes Collin which is driving RPM. It may date back to minutes he was playing with Exum, but if that's the case it won't hold up for much longer.

Collin's effort on D certainly varies, there was one play Nance beat him back on D to late contest a fast break that Collin could have caught up to. Guards are supposed to be the first line of defense against the fast break but unless Sexton/Garland are willing to take a charge or can manage to swipe the ball free, they're just going to end up on the wrong side of a lot of highlights.

[Stillwater]

RPM may say Colin has been good defensively, but I'm not buying it. Has he been better? I would say yes for the most part, but he still loses his guy/assignment too often especially in transition. He is getting over picks better and is staying in front of his player when his player has the ball better as well so I'm not trying to be down on him but I still wouldn't call him good on D just yet.

The on/off data also likes Collin which is driving RPM. It may date back to minutes he was playing with Exum, but if that's the case it won't hold up for much longer.

Collin's effort on D certainly varies, there was one play Nance beat him back on D to late contest a fast break that Collin could have caught up to. Guards are supposed to be the first line of defense against the fast break but unless Sexton/Garland are willing to take a charge or can manage to swipe the ball free, they're just going to end up on the wrong side of a lot of highlights.

a guard getting hip checked and falling down when a fast break goes the other direction is hardly cause for complaint about not getting back sheesh.
Sexton is playing damn good defense most of the time this season, but yeah there are always lapses for both our small guards in that department and that wont change.
The problem yesterday was no Dotson in the rotation to make up for the lack of shooting elsewhere and give Okoro a break, that and bad shooting except for DG who got a lot of easy looks tbh

[JonFromVA]

RPM may say Colin has been good defensively, but I'm not buying it. Has he been better? I would say yes for the most part, but he still loses his guy/assignment too often especially in transition. He is getting over picks better and is staying in front of his player when his player has the ball better as well so I'm not trying to be down on him but I still wouldn't call him good on D just yet.

The on/off data also likes Collin which is driving RPM. It may date back to minutes he was playing with Exum, but if that's the case it won't hold up for much longer.

Collin's effort on D certainly varies, there was one play Nance beat him back on D to late contest a fast break that Collin could have caught up to. Guards are supposed to be the first line of defense against the fast break but unless Sexton/Garland are willing to take a charge or can manage to swipe the ball free, they're just going to end up on the wrong side of a lot of highlights.

a guard getting hip checked and falling down when a fast break goes the other direction is hardly cause for complaint about not getting back sheesh.
Sexton is playing damn good defense most of the time this season, but yeah there are always lapses for both our small guards in that department and that wont change.
The problem yesterday was no Dotson in the rotation to make up for the lack of shooting elsewhere and give Okoro a break, that and bad shooting except for DG who got a lot of easy looks tbh

What made you assume Collin was hip checked let alone fell down on the play I was referring to?

Nice of you to admit there are lapses, I suppose.

[Stillwater]

The on/off data also likes Collin which is driving RPM. It may date back to minutes he was playing with Exum, but if that's the case it won't hold up for much longer.

Collin's effort on D certainly varies, there was one play Nance beat him back on D to late contest a fast break that Collin could have caught up to. Guards are supposed to be the first line of defense against the fast break but unless Sexton/Garland are willing to take a charge or can manage to swipe the ball free, they're just going to end up on the wrong side of a lot of highlights.

a guard getting hip checked and falling down when a fast break goes the other direction is hardly cause for complaint about not getting back sheesh.
Sexton is playing damn good defense most of the time this season, but yeah there are always lapses for both our small guards in that department and that wont change.
The problem yesterday was no Dotson in the rotation to make up for the lack of shooting elsewhere and give Okoro a break, that and bad shooting except for DG who got a lot of easy looks tbh

What made you assume Collin was hip checked let alone fell down on the play I was referring to?

Nice of you to admit there are lapses, I suppose.

I knew what you were referencing I thought anyway but if you meant some other play when Sexton wasnt the first down the court I am sure given that would be an anomaly there was a similar reason for it and certainly not one that indicated he was not playing smart hustle basketball. You are always on this Sexton is a low bb iq player take so I am not sure why you are surprised when I disagree with it.

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[JonFromVA]

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Amazing ... so it could get worse?

I wonder if Bickerstaff will be able to adjust his approach?

Teams seem to be catching up to our level of effort and catching on to our "scheme" if you want to call it that.

Larry is playing hurt, our passing is sloppy, too many players are trying to play hero ball, and a big part of it is because our floor spacing sucks.

[Stillwater]

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Amazing ... so it could get worse?

I wonder if Bickerstaff will be able to adjust his approach?

Teams seem to be catching up to our level of effort and catching on to our "scheme" if you want to call it that.

Larry is playing hurt, our passing is sloppy, too many players are trying to play hero ball, and a big part of it is because our floor spacing sucks.

Nah what is going on is nobody is playing the same level as they were before the injuries all started mounting up. Sexton and DG have not played at a high level since coming back at all, Nance should not be playing hurt and neither should Sexton but they both do and are etc. I would even gather to say Okoro is still playing a little hurt.
They are fighting a tough part of the schedule and the defenses know they dont have to do mess up the flow when the Cavs guards are not even hitting their shots when open right now. it has little to do with game planning , I mean they might have been even worse off had JBB not tried pounding it inside last night had they just launched 25 more low % shots etc etc
If anything we should be faulting the front office for forcing their hand on JBBs rotations because clearly Dotson is the better scoriong option than any guard he has been utilizing in the last week

[jbk1234]

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Amazing ... so it could get worse?

I wonder if Bickerstaff will be able to adjust his approach?

Teams seem to be catching up to our level of effort and catching on to our "scheme" if you want to call it that.

Larry is playing hurt, our passing is sloppy, too many players are trying to play hero ball, and a big part of it is because our floor spacing sucks.

Nah what is going on is nobody is playing the same level as they were before the injuries all started mounting up. Sexton and DG have not played at a high level since coming back at all, Nance should not be playing hurt and neither should Sexton but they both do and are etc. I would even gather to say Okoro is still playing a little hurt.
They are fighting a tough part of the schedule and the defenses know they dont have to do mess up the flow when the Cavs guards are not even hitting their shots when open right now. it has little to do with game planning , I mean they might have been even worse off had JBB not tried pounding it inside last night had they just launched 25 more low % shots etc etc
If anything we should be faulting the front office for forcing their hand on JBBs rotations because clearly Dotson is the better scoriong option than any guard he has been utilizing in the last week

We're 1-4 in the last 5 games and we're seeing the exact same types of defenses night in and night out. The book is out on us. We're either going to make an effort to get our best three point shooters shots earlier in the game or we're going to see more of the same. You don't end up 29th, out of 30, in three point attempts and makes 20 games into the season due to temporary factors. That's systemic. We're taking Ls against the Knicks and Wolves in games that aren't back to back. It has nothing to do with scheduling.

[Stillwater]

So is Dre gone after today or what??? I bet he is

[jbk1234]

So is Dre gone after today or what??? I bet he is

Part of me likes having Dre on the team but I do worry because he's in a contract year and we're bumping up against the point of diminishing returns when it comes to forcing action inside. If we adopt a more kinetic offense, and we need to, I'm not sure how that would sit with him. He's been a real pro the entire time he's been here though and I've appreciated it.

[Stillwater]

I think "Sexland" has finally arrived

[jbk1234]

I think "Sexland" has finally arrived

It's one game, but it was a good game. The next step is to get them both to see/look for each other at the three point line when that lane closes off. That would make me think you've got a real shot at at a Lilliard/McCollum back court. If Sexton gets a couple to go down, he starts feeling it, and then both he and the Cavs are really, really hard to defend.

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[JonFromVA]

I think "Sexland" has finally arrived

Sure looked a lot better tonight ... but it was just a 1 pt win over the TWolves at home.

Still, Nance needs to rest until he's right and this was pretty strong evidence that Andre's black hole routine is sucking energy out of the team ... vs Allen who was way more efficient and naturally scores within the offense.

23pts on just 9 shots and still grabbed 18 rebounds and finished emphatically. Not sure Allen could had made a louder statement. If Andre isn't gone, JBB has to stop this veteran entitlement BS. IMO, his value around the league would only go up if he showed he could accept coming off the bench and beating up on 2nd units. He's not getting another huge contract. We need to stop pretending we can fool GMs of other teams.

[Stillwater]

I think "Sexland" has finally arrived

Sure looked a lot better tonight ... but it was just a 1 pt win over the TWolves at home.

Still, Nance needs to rest until he's right and this was pretty strong evidence that Andre's black hole routine is sucking energy out of the team ... vs Allen who was way more efficient and naturally scores within the offense.

23pts on just 9 shots and still grabbed 18 rebounds and finished emphatically. Not sure Allen could had made a louder statement. If Andre isn't gone, JBB has to stop this veteran entitlement BS. IMO, his value around the league would only go up if he showed he could accept coming off the bench and beating up on 2nd units. He's not getting another huge contract. We need to stop pretending we can fool GMs of other teams.

I dont actually think anyone is being fooled and its obvious what dre can do and how well he can ve a positive asset on a team with a couple highly efficient scorers or better put jump shooters.
When our guard play is hitting open shots hes fine otherwise the offense has to rely on his ability to get a shot off like its the first option where he then trying to do too much and that is where his value seems to tank but the reality is it just makes the team look like they aren't there yet. And tbh they aren't. But Allen is a much better defender and lop threat not to mention he knows he is the future of the franchise in the middle meanwhile Dre is just trying to do his part and imo doesn't care enough when things are not going well because hes so used to being on losing rosters.
Imo dre has been huge for the Cavs until the trade then its like a switch was flipped and hes trying to get traded

[Harper4Ferry?]

I'd much rather see Javale playing every night than have to watch Dre ball. I know Windler has played something like 5 nba games in his life, but ideally you'd want him to shoot about 5 3's a game off the bench. Cedi too. Like let those guys fire away. We desperately need a backup PG. Maybe Kevin coming back will fix a lot of stuff