Trade Discussion 22/23

[Pinkyring]

I agree, and this is exactly the reason why I feel Cuban will slow build this one. With Doncic being only 21, he can afford to have Lebron and KD out of the league before he starts to seriously contend. Right now, a "middle of the pack" team is where we are at and it seems more likely (knowing his tendencies) that Cuban will only spend and go all-in if he sees a good chance of winning.

That's a gamble though because on the flip side, you never know what Luka is thinking.

If that is true, why Mavs need max spot empty almost every season? Why don't Mavs sign some players for few years and at least try to compete?

And that's why Mark comes up empty almost every season as well.

Cuban feels that the max slot is only for players who truly deserve a max. Not to overpay a mediocre player just because you have money to spend. Cuban has mentioned in an earlier interview that he feels "there are only like 5 or 6 players in the league who are truly worth max dollars". I'm sure a lot of you have seen it before, he was referring to the Kobes and the Duncans. Now everyone seems to just be handing out max dollars because they can. Imagine someone paying the max for someone like John Collins. Then again, market dictates price. And if some dumb team (looking at you, Charlotte) is willing to give a blank check to some mediocre player, then it drives the price of everyone else up.

Like I said in my previous post, Cuban will only go all-in if he sees a surefire win (i.e. signing Giannis, Lebron or KD). Otherwise, I dont think he will fall in line to the next team who will hand $35M to John Collins etc. Just because you have $35M to spend, doesn't mean you have to spend it on bad decisions. He has been passing on opportunities every year by rolling on one year deals to veterans until the right player showed up. That's what Dirk went through.

What team are you watching because this is the same team that inexplicably maxed Parsons and barnes then tried to max dj while later given wes a big deal and dj 1

[Pinkyring]

Mark already said there is no way he is separating Luka/KP combo because he f'ed up with Nash. I don't know if he still thinks that way but i can't see KP being traded anytime soon. But we do have to see a healthy KP first. So far we've had half of the season and bubble. He showed already how good he can be but he has to stay healthy.

That's a foolish mindset for him to take then, you always improve when you can. I mean I dont think Tor does it, but if you can get Siakam for KP and minor filler, you have to do a trade like that. Even have to consider an older guy like Vuc, if the compensation coming back is intriguing enough

I'd take that Siakam deal. I think that's fair and you're betting on Siakam's potential over KP's health.

Here's the thing, Cuban is a businessman. He has been bugging Adam Silvers lately so the Mavs can play one game in Slovenia. Clearly he has his eyes set on the European market (i.e how he can make money there, selling merchandise, ad placements etc) Now, having this in mind, and knowing he has two young European all stars, I think he will milk KP for what he's worth. He's gonna earn back that max contract he gave to KP with ad placements, marketing tie ups, you name it. He's not playing in Slovenia out of charity or from the goodness of his heart. He has business interests in Europe and Luka and KP are highly marketable player BOTH ON AND OFF the court.

Where do you all these random claims, wheres the link showing Cuban has been begging for a game in Slovenia? He doesn't even need that, he has their bball watching audience already

[arkuo]

That's a foolish mindset for him to take then, you always improve when you can. I mean I dont think Tor does it, but if you can get Siakam for KP and minor filler, you have to do a trade like that. Even have to consider an older guy like Vuc, if the compensation coming back is intriguing enough

I'd take that Siakam deal. I think that's fair and you're betting on Siakam's potential over KP's health.

Here's the thing, Cuban is a businessman. He has been bugging Adam Silvers lately so the Mavs can play one game in Slovenia. Clearly he has his eyes set on the European market (i.e how he can make money there, selling merchandise, ad placements etc) Now, having this in mind, and knowing he has two young European all stars, I think he will milk KP for what he's worth. He's gonna earn back that max contract he gave to KP with ad placements, marketing tie ups, you name it. He's not playing in Slovenia out of charity or from the goodness of his heart. He has business interests in Europe and Luka and KP are highly marketable player BOTH ON AND OFF the court.

Where do you all these random claims, wheres the link showing Cuban has been begging for a game in Slovenia? He doesn't even need that, he has their bball watching audience already

Were you living under a rock? He literally just said that last week. The news isn't even one month old.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dallasnews.com/sports/mavericks/2021/01/22/preseason-homecoming-games-for-luka-doncic-in-madrid-and-slovenia-mark-cuban-hopes-so/%3foutputType=amp

[Pinkyring]

I'd take that Siakam deal. I think that's fair and you're betting on Siakam's potential over KP's health.

Here's the thing, Cuban is a businessman. He has been bugging Adam Silvers lately so the Mavs can play one game in Slovenia. Clearly he has his eyes set on the European market (i.e how he can make money there, selling merchandise, ad placements etc) Now, having this in mind, and knowing he has two young European all stars, I think he will milk KP for what he's worth. He's gonna earn back that max contract he gave to KP with ad placements, marketing tie ups, you name it. He's not playing in Slovenia out of charity or from the goodness of his heart. He has business interests in Europe and Luka and KP are highly marketable player BOTH ON AND OFF the court.

Where do you all these random claims, wheres the link showing Cuban has been begging for a game in Slovenia? He doesn't even need that, he has their bball watching audience already

Were you living under a rock? He literally just said that last week. The news isn't even one month old.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dallasnews.com/sports/mavericks/2021/01/22/preseason-homecoming-games-for-luka-doncic-in-madrid-and-slovenia-mark-cuban-hopes-so/%3foutputType=amp

Asking to play a preseason game somewhere doesn't translate to "begging for a game in Slovenia " the fsct u pulled that from that article is equally absurd

[arkuo]

Where do you all these random claims, wheres the link showing Cuban has been begging for a game in Slovenia? He doesn't even need that, he has their bball watching audience already

Were you living under a rock? He literally just said that last week. The news isn't even one month old.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dallasnews.com/sports/mavericks/2021/01/22/preseason-homecoming-games-for-luka-doncic-in-madrid-and-slovenia-mark-cuban-hopes-so/%3foutputType=amp

Asking to play a preseason game somewhere doesn't translate to "begging for a game in Slovenia " the fsct u pulled that from that article is equally absurd

I didn't say begging. I said bugging. Read again.

Real Madrid's home turf isn't even Slovenia. And the fact that he has been calling Adam Silver to fly 2 teams over there means he has business interests. That's 2 teams of 50 people combined, to play in a country where only a single player is from. I'm not saying it's bad. And I'm neither for it or against it. Doesn't concern me either.

[Pinkyring]

Were you living under a rock? He literally just said that last week. The news isn't even one month old.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dallasnews.com/sports/mavericks/2021/01/22/preseason-homecoming-games-for-luka-doncic-in-madrid-and-slovenia-mark-cuban-hopes-so/%3foutputType=amp

Asking to play a preseason game somewhere doesn't translate to "begging for a game in Slovenia " the fsct u pulled that from that article is equally absurd

I didn't say begging. I said bugging. Read again.

Really isn't a difference much in this scenario, the article doesn't say or insinuate that either

[arkuo]

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Cuban just signed Dennis Smith Jr to a minimum contract, 2nd year team option.

Mavs have money but there are not many options left. Victor Oladipo? Lauri Markannen? John Collins?

[Bob8]

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Cuban just signed Dennis Smith Jr to a minimum contract, 2nd year team option.

Mavs have money but there are not many options left. Victor Oladipo? Lauri Markannen? John Collins?

It depends on what kind of meltdown Mavs will have in this season. It will be difficult not to do anything, if they finish somewhere near bottom. If they eventually make playoffs, Covid would be blamed for all problems and we could see similar roster next year.

It's not only about starters, they should upgrade at least bench. Few years back, bench was winning games. Now bench is incredibly bad.

[arkuo]

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Cuban just signed Dennis Smith Jr to a minimum contract, 2nd year team option.

Mavs have money but there are not many options left. Victor Oladipo? Lauri Markannen? John Collins?

It depends on what kind of meltdown Mavs will have in this season. It will be difficult not to do anything, if they finish somewhere near bottom. If they eventually make playoffs, Covid would be blamed for all problems and we could see similar roster next year.

It's not only about starters, they should upgrade at least bench. Few years back, bench was winning games. Now bench is incredibly bad.

I hope they get a legitimate starting wing player. Move THJ and DFS to the bench. That can form a nice second unit. It is when you put those two in the starting 5 that they become the weakest link. Donci-Maxi-KP can be full time starters. Richardson too if he decides to stay.

[Bob8]

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Cuban just signed Dennis Smith Jr to a minimum contract, 2nd year team option.

Mavs have money but there are not many options left. Victor Oladipo? Lauri Markannen? John Collins?

It depends on what kind of meltdown Mavs will have in this season. It will be difficult not to do anything, if they finish somewhere near bottom. If they eventually make playoffs, Covid would be blamed for all problems and we could see similar roster next year.

It's not only about starters, they should upgrade at least bench. Few years back, bench was winning games. Now bench is incredibly bad.

I hope they get a legitimate starting wing player. Move THJ and DFS to the bench. That can form a nice second unit. It is when you put those two in the starting 5 that they become the weakest link. Donci-Maxi-KP can be full time starters. Richardson too if he decides to stay.

More than anything else you need someone to create for second unit. THJ and DFS would be useless without that kind of player. Trading Brunson for someone, who might be worse scorer but better Pg is essential. Rubio looks as fantastic option, he can run second unit and play as starter, if Luka is out.

[arkuo]

More than anything else you need someone to create for second unit. THJ and DFS would be useless without that kind of player. Trading Brunson for someone, who might be worse scorer but better Pg is essential. Rubio looks as fantastic option, he can run second unit and play as starter, if Luka is out.

Maybe they can swing a deal for Lonzo Ball to run the 2nd unit? I dont know how he would feel coming off the bench.

Im also curious about Al Horford fitting here. He's still producing good numbers. Has a post game, can rebound and can shoot from 3.

C- Porzingis / WCS / Boban
PF- Horford / Kleber / Powell
SF- DFS / Green / Hinton
SG- Richardson / Brunson
PG- Doncic / Ball

[Apz]

Horfords days at pf was done 2 years ago. Talk about wasted capspace. It needs ppl on contracts and in an age that is flippable in a years time if we find a hole that needs to be plugged. Horfird us freefalling and u would be stuck with him.

And ai dont mind lonzo, but i dont wang to be the one paying fir him now and then overpay him in the summer

[arkuo]

Horfords days at pf was done 2 years ago. Talk about wasted capspace. It needs ppl on contracts and in an age that is flippable in a years time if we find a hole that needs to be plugged. Horfird us freefalling and u would be stuck with him.

No team in their right mind will give Dallas a player in their prime for the non-assets that Dallas has. You only have THJ and Dwight Powell to trade to OKC. The idea is to roll with Horford for 2 seasons until his contract expires then and try again in free agency. Which is what Cuban already does. Then keep on signing vets on one year deals until the next superstar comes along. Horford's deal expires the same time as KP. So if this clown show doesnt work out, then let both KP and Horford walk. Clear the books and start a new team with Luka. Rather than sign someone to the max this summer to a five year deal. Your reset button will be 5 years down the road as opposed to 2 years.

With KP's legs being so weak in boxing out, a 34 year old Horford could do a better job rebounding and doing the dirty work. KP looks like an anemic child from a 3rd world country with an on-trend haircut.

Jokic is also a free agent in that summer. So who knows? Maybe he can replace KP?

[Apz]

So u plan to play kp off the bench? Abd moving iur obly pure shooter fir a bench center isnt what i call a great plan

[arkuo]

So u plan to play kp off the bench? Abd moving iur obly pure shooter fir a bench center isnt what i call a great plan

No. Start KP at PF since he is already a rich man's Dragan Bender. All he does is hang out in the 3 point line waiting to shoot since he cant box out a middle school kid in the paint. Everytime he gets contact in the paint he takes a fall away shot like someone pushed him. At this point, I dont think he can be solid in the post like Dirk was, so I will say it's genetic. Having a high center of gravity also doesnt help his cause.

[Bob8]

Mavs first must stop dreaming about getting perfect players. Suns best player is 35 years old CP3. Will they win a ring with him? Probably not, but they will be very solid for next 2 year with him. Mavs must get players that are available, play good basketball and make a big move, when time comes. Like I said, I would start with fixing the bench. Starters might look bad, but bench is losing games too.

If 7/4/1 player is untouchable, you know you're ****.

[Absinthe]

It’s imperative for them to trade and get someone who can create their own shot. And they need a true knockdown shooter. An ideal Mavs team (not taking into account things like the salary cap) would look similar to something like this.

PG Holiday
SG Oladipo
SF Luka
PF Porzingis
C Miles Turner

Now I’m not saying this lineup is feasible. What I am saying is that the make up of the team should look like this. Holiday can defend and shoot. Turner can defend and shoot. Oladipo can create his own shot and create massive spacing issues for opposing defenses. Porzingis would be better fitted at the PF position and could be the thriving third option. This is the build that could actually compete. Surround Luka with three and d players. This shouldn’t be that hard to do and the front office is clueless.

[Apz]

When 3d players is what every team wants and there is a lack of, it shouldnt be hard to surround luka with it?

And KP at 4 is not as good as at 5, it was kinda proven last year. Its more important that the PF moves in to rebound and is goid at it. Could see positive in that area last game when we had kleber and dfs back. Rest of team mostly stands around on offensive shots looking at it or start runninc back. So many offensive rebounds last games we could have gotten if 1 of the guards go fot the freethrow line instead of running home when shots go off

[BlazersBroncos]

This is the build that could actually compete. Surround Luka with three and d players. This shouldn’t be that hard to do and the front office is clueless.

Surrounding Luka with 3/D players of the caliber of, say, DFS is possible. But even guys of that caliber are in high demand.

Surrounding Luka with literally some of the top 3/D players at their respective positions, of the caliber of Holiday, Dipo and Turner, is literally impossible. Nearly every team in the league wants those guys. Dallas arguably doesn't have the assets to get on player of that caliber, let alone 3.

[Mr B]

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Cuban just signed Dennis Smith Jr to a minimum contract, 2nd year team option.

Mavs have money but there are not many options left. Victor Oladipo? Lauri Markannen? John Collins?

Finding a way to add Collins and Oladipo would be great.


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