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[NoDopeOnSundays]

Bruce brown is 10x better than Payton and he also had Rose too. And no the offense doesn’t still suck with Quickley and Randle. There’s a reason why Randle-RJ-IQ is the best net rating on the team.

I know you’re not talking about losing when Randle always handed him L’s and he has a worse winning percentage than Randle for his career. Wood is winning because he has Wall, Oladipo and stud defenders around him. Let’s keep it 100.

Why does the PG matter for Randle? He has the ball more than anyone else on our team. You missing a key point, it's that there's no way that Randle could ever play like Wood is playing off Wall or Oladipo or whoever, cause Randle needs the ball in his hands. When Quickley starts and people finally notice how much Randle has the ball, it'll put a smile on my face. Our offense didn't look any better in the 2nd half of the game tonight, we still struggled to score and teen wolf was on the ball more than IQ.


Randle had AD and Holiday, they had a losing record when Randle started, despite putting up numbers. Randle could never, ever, ever play with Wall or Oladipo, he literally has the ball more than Wall does on the Rockets The Rockets got one of the few 3 & Blocks big men in the league, we got the Tasmania devil

Pelicans was literally full of injuries that year. Payton played most of his minutes with Randle also.

The PG matters because we don’t have a great one. So of course Randle is gonna have the ball in his hands most of the time when Payton is his starting PG. You keep missing that big point.

Also pretty much in all of the games IQ has went
off, Randle was feeding him and let him do his thing. So you’re off there.

Lastly, Randle still handed him L’s last year and has a better winning% for his career over Wood. Loser good night

With a better PG you need a different type of player, because Randle is only effective with the ball in his hands. At no point in his entire career has he proven he can play off of anyone, or within a system where ball movement is stressed. He is a selfish player and nothing much has changed there. How is he not Westbrook of the PFs?

When Quickley goes off he's usually just creating for himself, he's only been assisted on 33% of his shots. Randle is still among the top players for touches per game over the last 10 games, and he's starting to outpace RJ to the point that it's just gross now. The ball should be in Quickley and RJ's hands more than his, like every other modern offense. There isn't a single playoff team that would be better if you replaced their current PF with Randle, not one, because they'd be losing defense, spacing or both for a guy that cannot play within an offense.


Vote no on Randle 2021.

[knickstape4ever]

Why does the PG matter for Randle? He has the ball more than anyone else on our team. You missing a key point, it's that there's no way that Randle could ever play like Wood is playing off Wall or Oladipo or whoever, cause Randle needs the ball in his hands. When Quickley starts and people finally notice how much Randle has the ball, it'll put a smile on my face. Our offense didn't look any better in the 2nd half of the game tonight, we still struggled to score and teen wolf was on the ball more than IQ.


Randle had AD and Holiday, they had a losing record when Randle started, despite putting up numbers. Randle could never, ever, ever play with Wall or Oladipo, he literally has the ball more than Wall does on the Rockets The Rockets got one of the few 3 & Blocks big men in the league, we got the Tasmania devil

Pelicans was literally full of injuries that year. Payton played most of his minutes with Randle also.

The PG matters because we don’t have a great one. So of course Randle is gonna have the ball in his hands most of the time when Payton is his starting PG. You keep missing that big point.

Also pretty much in all of the games IQ has went
off, Randle was feeding him and let him do his thing. So you’re off there.

Lastly, Randle still handed him L’s last year and has a better winning% for his career over Wood. Loser good night

With a better PG you need a different type of player, because Randle is only effective with the ball in his hands. At no point in his entire career has he proven he can play off of anyone, or within a system where ball movement is stressed. He is a selfish player and nothing much has changed there.

When Quickley goes off he's usually just creating for himself, he's only been assisted on 33% of his shots. Randle is still among the top players for touches per game over the last 10 games, and he's starting to outpace RJ to the point that it's just gross now. The ball should be in Quickley and RJ's hands more than his, like every other modern offense. There isn't a single playoff team that would be better if you replaced their current PF with Randle, not one, because they'd be losing defense, spacing or both for a guy that cannot play within an offense.

yep, that's part of the issue w/ Randle: for him to be at his best, he needs the ball in his hands and the offense to revolve around him, which is what we've had and we're still the worst offense in the league

if Randle isn't the focal point of the offense, his value is diminished b/c playing off-ball isn't his strength

in a perfect world (for me), we trade Randle (for a lotto pick....perfect world), and play 4-out, maximizing spacing and driving lanes....similar to how Utah plays

[HarthorneWingo]

Wall is 2nd banana on that team

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I respect Wood. I like Wood. I wanted Wood. But who listens to me? Guess who? Nobody, that's who. I've only been watching the Knicks since 1968. Bah!

[dakomish23]

Been wildly inconsistent but finally stringed together 2 good performances back to back.

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He seems MIA bound based on all the rumors but I bet we pursue

[spree2kawhi]

Why does the PG matter for Randle? He has the ball more than anyone else on our team. You missing a key point, it's that there's no way that Randle could ever play like Wood is playing off Wall or Oladipo or whoever, cause Randle needs the ball in his hands. When Quickley starts and people finally notice how much Randle has the ball, it'll put a smile on my face. Our offense didn't look any better in the 2nd half of the game tonight, we still struggled to score and teen wolf was on the ball more than IQ.


Randle had AD and Holiday, they had a losing record when Randle started, despite putting up numbers. Randle could never, ever, ever play with Wall or Oladipo, he literally has the ball more than Wall does on the Rockets The Rockets got one of the few 3 & Blocks big men in the league, we got the Tasmania devil

Pelicans was literally full of injuries that year. Payton played most of his minutes with Randle also.

The PG matters because we don’t have a great one. So of course Randle is gonna have the ball in his hands most of the time when Payton is his starting PG. You keep missing that big point.

Also pretty much in all of the games IQ has went
off, Randle was feeding him and let him do his thing. So you’re off there.

Lastly, Randle still handed him L’s last year and has a better winning% for his career over Wood. Loser good night

With a better PG you need a different type of player, because Randle is only effective with the ball in his hands. At no point in his entire career has he proven he can play off of anyone, or within a system where ball movement is stressed. He is a selfish player and nothing much has changed there. How is he not Westbrook of the PFs?

When Quickley goes off he's usually just creating for himself, he's only been assisted on 33% of his shots. Randle is still among the top players for touches per game over the last 10 games, and he's starting to outpace RJ to the point that it's just gross now. The ball should be in Quickley and RJ's hands more than his, like every other modern offense. There isn't a single playoff team that would be better if you replaced their current PF with Randle, not one, because they'd be losing defense, spacing or both for a guy that cannot play within an offense.


Vote no on Randle 2021.

This is 100% correct.

[HarthorneWingo]

Been wildly inconsistent but finally stringed together 2 good performances back to back.

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He seems MIA bound based on all the rumors but I bet we pursue

We'd have to overpay of course. You do realize that, don't you? We're not allowed to win.

[jstudabaka]

Man, Mavs are in a rough spot. At 1/3 through the season almost, they're 3 back of even the 10-spot. I could see them going on a run, and I doubt the staying power of SAC and OKC, but I don't think SA or HOU are gonna just fold. Plus NO is right there with them and who knows if they might to sort of figure things out. Looking good!

[FutureKnicksGM]

Why does the PG matter for Randle? He has the ball more than anyone else on our team. You missing a key point, it's that there's no way that Randle could ever play like Wood is playing off Wall or Oladipo or whoever, cause Randle needs the ball in his hands. When Quickley starts and people finally notice how much Randle has the ball, it'll put a smile on my face. Our offense didn't look any better in the 2nd half of the game tonight, we still struggled to score and teen wolf was on the ball more than IQ.


Randle had AD and Holiday, they had a losing record when Randle started, despite putting up numbers. Randle could never, ever, ever play with Wall or Oladipo, he literally has the ball more than Wall does on the Rockets The Rockets got one of the few 3 & Blocks big men in the league, we got the Tasmania devil

Pelicans was literally full of injuries that year. Payton played most of his minutes with Randle also.

The PG matters because we don’t have a great one. So of course Randle is gonna have the ball in his hands most of the time when Payton is his starting PG. You keep missing that big point.

Also pretty much in all of the games IQ has went
off, Randle was feeding him and let him do his thing. So you’re off there.

Lastly, Randle still handed him L’s last year and has a better winning% for his career over Wood. Loser good night

With a better PG you need a different type of player, because Randle is only effective with the ball in his hands. At no point in his entire career has he proven he can play off of anyone, or within a system where ball movement is stressed. He is a selfish player and nothing much has changed there. How is he not Westbrook of the PFs?

When Quickley goes off he's usually just creating for himself, he's only been assisted on 33% of his shots. Randle is still among the top players for touches per game over the last 10 games, and he's starting to outpace RJ to the point that it's just gross now. The ball should be in Quickley and RJ's hands more than his, like every other modern offense. There isn't a single playoff team that would be better if you replaced their current PF with Randle, not one, because they'd be losing defense, spacing or both for a guy that cannot play within an offense.


Vote no on Randle 2021.

In 17-18, Randle scored efficiently (.60TS) while averaging 51.1 touches (tied exactly with Jerami Grant, and less than a guy like Derrick Favors, while a rookie Lauri was way higher at 71.3).

In 18-19, Randle scored efficiently (.60TS) while averaging 59.5 touches (again below Lauri who was well above him at 66.2 touches).

How was he able to score efficiently when he clearly had the ball significantly less than he currently has, and would have been playing significantly more off-ball?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Pelicans was literally full of injuries that year. Payton played most of his minutes with Randle also.

The PG matters because we don’t have a great one. So of course Randle is gonna have the ball in his hands most of the time when Payton is his starting PG. You keep missing that big point.

Also pretty much in all of the games IQ has went
off, Randle was feeding him and let him do his thing. So you’re off there.

Lastly, Randle still handed him L’s last year and has a better winning% for his career over Wood. Loser good night

With a better PG you need a different type of player, because Randle is only effective with the ball in his hands. At no point in his entire career has he proven he can play off of anyone, or within a system where ball movement is stressed. He is a selfish player and nothing much has changed there. How is he not Westbrook of the PFs?

When Quickley goes off he's usually just creating for himself, he's only been assisted on 33% of his shots. Randle is still among the top players for touches per game over the last 10 games, and he's starting to outpace RJ to the point that it's just gross now. The ball should be in Quickley and RJ's hands more than his, like every other modern offense. There isn't a single playoff team that would be better if you replaced their current PF with Randle, not one, because they'd be losing defense, spacing or both for a guy that cannot play within an offense.


Vote no on Randle 2021.

In 17-18, Randle scored efficiently (.60TS) while averaging 51.1 touches (tied exactly with Jerami Grant, and less than a guy like Derrick Favors, while a rookie Lauri was way higher at 71.3).

In 18-19, Randle scored efficiently (.60TS) while averaging 59.5 touches (again below Lauri who was well above him at 66.2 touches).

How was he able to score efficiently when he clearly had the ball significantly less than he currently has, and would have been playing significantly more off-ball?

Randle came off the bench in 57 of those possible 155 games, when he started those teams were 43-55. The Pelicans season was really telling, they were 12-12 with him as a 6th man, and 19-30 with him as a starter and he did in fact play next to AD. They were 30-37 with Holiday, Anthony Davis was 25-31 even Elfrid Payton was 18-24 as a starter, Randle had the worst winning percentage among their core starters.

All that to say, everyone else that had him looked at him and saw a player more ideal to being a 6th man, we are the crazy ones talking about building around him like he's some core piece.

[FutureKnicksGM]

With a better PG you need a different type of player, because Randle is only effective with the ball in his hands. At no point in his entire career has he proven he can play off of anyone, or within a system where ball movement is stressed. He is a selfish player and nothing much has changed there. How is he not Westbrook of the PFs?

When Quickley goes off he's usually just creating for himself, he's only been assisted on 33% of his shots. Randle is still among the top players for touches per game over the last 10 games, and he's starting to outpace RJ to the point that it's just gross now. The ball should be in Quickley and RJ's hands more than his, like every other modern offense. There isn't a single playoff team that would be better if you replaced their current PF with Randle, not one, because they'd be losing defense, spacing or both for a guy that cannot play within an offense.


Vote no on Randle 2021.

In 17-18, Randle scored efficiently (.60TS) while averaging 51.1 touches (tied exactly with Jerami Grant, and less than a guy like Derrick Favors, while a rookie Lauri was way higher at 71.3).

In 18-19, Randle scored efficiently (.60TS) while averaging 59.5 touches (again below Lauri who was well above him at 66.2 touches).

How was he able to score efficiently when he clearly had the ball significantly less than he currently has, and would have been playing significantly more off-ball?

Randle came off the bench in 57 of those possible 155 games, when he started those teams were 43-55. The Pelicans season was really telling, they were 12-12 with him as a 6th man, and 19-30 with him as a starter and he did in fact play next to AD. They were 30-37 with Holiday, Anthony Davis was 25-31 even Elfrid Payton was 18-24 as a starter, Randle had the worst winning percentage among their core starters.

All that to say, everyone else that had him looked at him and saw a player more ideal to being a 6th man, we are the crazy ones talking about building around him like he's some core piece.

Huh?

I asked how was he able to score the ball efficiently, when he had far less touches than he has now (noting you have previously said he is only effective with the ball in his hands)?

[knickstape4ever]

538 projects the Mavs to finish 38-34 w/ a 69% chance at making the playoffs

TeamRankings projects the Mavs to finish 36.3-35.7 (round to 36-35?) w/ a 49.7% chance at making the playoffs

[Richard4444]

Why does the PG matter for Randle? He has the ball more than anyone else on our team. You missing a key point, it's that there's no way that Randle could ever play like Wood is playing off Wall or Oladipo or whoever, cause Randle needs the ball in his hands. When Quickley starts and people finally notice how much Randle has the ball, it'll put a smile on my face. Our offense didn't look any better in the 2nd half of the game tonight, we still struggled to score and teen wolf was on the ball more than IQ.


Randle had AD and Holiday, they had a losing record when Randle started, despite putting up numbers. Randle could never, ever, ever play with Wall or Oladipo, he literally has the ball more than Wall does on the Rockets The Rockets got one of the few 3 & Blocks big men in the league, we got the Tasmania devil

Pelicans was literally full of injuries that year. Payton played most of his minutes with Randle also.

The PG matters because we don’t have a great one. So of course Randle is gonna have the ball in his hands most of the time when Payton is his starting PG. You keep missing that big point.

Also pretty much in all of the games IQ has went
off, Randle was feeding him and let him do his thing. So you’re off there.

Lastly, Randle still handed him L’s last year and has a better winning% for his career over Wood. Loser good night

With a better PG you need a different type of player, because Randle is only effective with the ball in his hands. At no point in his entire career has he proven he can play off of anyone, or within a system where ball movement is stressed. He is a selfish player and nothing much has changed there. How is he not Westbrook of the PFs?

When Quickley goes off he's usually just creating for himself, he's only been assisted on 33% of his shots. Randle is still among the top players for touches per game over the last 10 games, and he's starting to outpace RJ to the point that it's just gross now. The ball should be in Quickley and RJ's hands more than his, like every other modern offense. There isn't a single playoff team that would be better if you replaced their current PF with Randle, not one, because they'd be losing defense, spacing or both for a guy that cannot play within an offense.

Vote no on Randle 2021.

I agree.

But, what do you do in the more probable scenario?

1) We don't get any serious offers for Randle. No team is very interested in having Randle as the focal point of his offense. Probably, no offer at all at the trade deadline (only a couple of teams would have fillers or TPE to match salaries). No FRPs or potential young assets in a trade in the offseason.

2) We don't trust Obi"s or Knox"s potential as a starter PF in a playoff contender team. I can't see them getting enough minutes to be tested this season to possibly change this perception.

3) We would have to overpay to get Lauri, John Collins, or another starter PF.

I think we will give Randle another run until 2022. We will not profit from getting rid of him and it will be hard to find a replacement.

[Richard4444]

538 projects the Mavs to finish 38-34 w/ a 69% chance at making the playoffs

TeamRankings projects the Mavs to finish 36.3-35.7 (round to 36-35?) w/ a 49.7% chance at making the playoffs

They would be in the play-in tournament.

[Richard4444]

Pelicans was literally full of injuries that year. Payton played most of his minutes with Randle also.

The PG matters because we don’t have a great one. So of course Randle is gonna have the ball in his hands most of the time when Payton is his starting PG. You keep missing that big point.

Also pretty much in all of the games IQ has went
off, Randle was feeding him and let him do his thing. So you’re off there.

Lastly, Randle still handed him L’s last year and has a better winning% for his career over Wood. Loser good night

With a better PG you need a different type of player, because Randle is only effective with the ball in his hands. At no point in his entire career has he proven he can play off of anyone, or within a system where ball movement is stressed. He is a selfish player and nothing much has changed there. How is he not Westbrook of the PFs?

When Quickley goes off he's usually just creating for himself, he's only been assisted on 33% of his shots. Randle is still among the top players for touches per game over the last 10 games, and he's starting to outpace RJ to the point that it's just gross now. The ball should be in Quickley and RJ's hands more than his, like every other modern offense. There isn't a single playoff team that would be better if you replaced their current PF with Randle, not one, because they'd be losing defense, spacing or both for a guy that cannot play within an offense.


Vote no on Randle 2021.

In 17-18, Randle scored efficiently (.60TS) while averaging 51.1 touches (tied exactly with Jerami Grant, and less than a guy like Derrick Favors, while a rookie Lauri was way higher at 71.3).

In 18-19, Randle scored efficiently (.60TS) while averaging 59.5 touches (again below Lauri who was well above him at 66.2 touches).

How was he able to score efficiently when he clearly had the ball significantly less than he currently has, and would have been playing significantly more off-ball?

He played in 17/19 as a Center.

As a center, he can score efficiently without getting too many touches.

But Randle does not offer rim protection to be played as a starter center.

Especially with Thibs as the coach. As matter of fact, I am not sure if Thibs would have Randle as the reserve Center.

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[HEZI]

Talking about leadership. Not who scores the most

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How about both

You know damn well Wall is the voice of that team right now

[god shammgod]

Been wildly inconsistent but finally stringed together 2 good performances back to back.

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He seems MIA bound based on all the rumors but I bet we pursue

i keep telling people, the heat want beal tho

Though Oladipo’s interest in playing in Miami has been common knowledge for months, previous signs pointed to the Heat cooling their interest on the talented guard.

https://heatnation.com/rumors/report-there-appears-to-be-mutual-interest-between-miami-heat-and-victor-oladipo/

he's going to whoever will max him. he turned down 25 plus a year from indy before they traded him. if the knicks are planning to spend some money on mitch, they have to use their cap space this summer.

[mpharris36]

Been wildly inconsistent but finally stringed together 2 good performances back to back.

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He seems MIA bound based on all the rumors but I bet we pursue

i keep telling people, the heat want beal tho

Though Oladipo’s interest in playing in Miami has been common knowledge for months, previous signs pointed to the Heat cooling their interest on the talented guard.

https://heatnation.com/rumors/report-there-appears-to-be-mutual-interest-between-miami-heat-and-victor-oladipo/

he's going to whoever will max him. he turned down 25 plus a year from indy before they traded him. if the knicks are planning to spend some money on mitch, they have to use their cap space this summer.

a maxed out victor oladipo...

[god shammgod]

Been wildly inconsistent but finally stringed together 2 good performances back to back.

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He seems MIA bound based on all the rumors but I bet we pursue

i keep telling people, the heat want beal tho

Though Oladipo’s interest in playing in Miami has been common knowledge for months, previous signs pointed to the Heat cooling their interest on the talented guard.

https://heatnation.com/rumors/report-there-appears-to-be-mutual-interest-between-miami-heat-and-victor-oladipo/

he's going to whoever will max him. he turned down 25 plus a year from indy before they traded him. if the knicks are planning to spend some money on mitch, they have to use their cap space this summer.

a maxed out victor oladipo...

funny enough, i think the two teams that might be desperate enough to do that are us and dallas. people think the rockets might but their new owner is famously cheap so i doubt it.

[Rasho Brezec]

I like how it looks like Boban's laughing at this.

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