Tank World Order

[Danny1616]

I wonder if Aaron Gordon was was drafted by some better franchise like the spurs or us what his hypothetical NBA trajectory would have been. Orlando killed that guy’s career.

Most of his problems are upstairs, so it's questionable whether he would have passed the Spurs' interviews. Is there something he should have become? He's a decent player who has improved his skill level quite a bit since entering the league. He wasn't like some college standout that struggled in the NBA. imo I'd put him at the 4th or 5th best lotto pick in that draft, which is where he went. It just turned out that that lotto was wildly overhyped.

He was picked 4th but I’d rather have Smart, Randle, Dinwiddie, Lavine, Warren, Nurkic, Jerami Grant, Jokic, and Capela (all drafted after him).

Funny enough, Nurkic (16), Grant (39), Jokic (41), Dinwiddie (38) and Capela (25) were all drafted outside the lottery.

[720]

Most of his problems are upstairs, so it's questionable whether he would have passed the Spurs' interviews. Is there something he should have become? He's a decent player who has improved his skill level quite a bit since entering the league. He wasn't like some college standout that struggled in the NBA. imo I'd put him at the 4th or 5th best lotto pick in that draft, which is where he went. It just turned out that that lotto was wildly overhyped.

He was picked 4th but I’d rather have Smart, Randle, Dinwiddie, Lavine, Warren, Nurkic, Jerami Grant, Jokic, and Capela (all drafted after him).

Funny enough, Nurkic (16), Grant (39), Jokic (41), Dinwiddie (38) and Capela (25) were all drafted outside the lottery.

Special draft indeed. We wasted our picks on Bruno and Deandre Daniels.

[Marty_Budda]

We need to trade Pascal while he still has value

Or wait for him to earn enough experience as offensive focal point to become consistent as that player we saw beginning of 2019/2020 season. Make Pascal 1B and bring in a 1A via FA or trade or draft - championship with OG and others.

I don’t understand why some people have no patience with pascal and aren’t willing to even give him a shot. He was great in 18/19. Great for 75% of 19/20. And it’s only been 17 games this season.

If he’s playing so bad shouldn’t us TWO guys want to keep him as a tank commander for this season? We literally have nothing to lose. Let him play through mistakes and see how he develops.

If an amazing package was offered I’d trade him (like wiseman, minny pick and an additional first). But if that doesn’t come along let him develop and see where we’re at with him in 2 years time.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I wonder if Aaron Gordon was was drafted by some better franchise like the spurs or us what his hypothetical NBA trajectory would have been. Orlando killed that guy’s career.

Most of his problems are upstairs, so it's questionable whether he would have passed the Spurs' interviews. Is there something he should have become? He's a decent player who has improved his skill level quite a bit since entering the league. He wasn't like some college standout that struggled in the NBA. imo I'd put him at the 4th or 5th best lotto pick in that draft, which is where he went. It just turned out that that lotto was wildly overhyped.

He was picked 4th but I’d rather have Smart, Randle, Dinwiddie, Lavine, Warren, Nurkic, Jerami Grant, Jokic, and Capela (all drafted after him).

I specified in the lottery. The top 10 of the lotto typically resembles the lotto mocks for most of the year. Gordon was always going to be a lottery pick, so I'll judge the teams for how they made out rather than who actually panned out much later in the draft, or who did well after being abandoned by the team that drafted them.

So it's some combination of Embiid, Smart, Randle, Wiggins, LaVine, Gordon, Warren on talent alone. Randle and Warren were both completely given up on by the teams that drafted them. I think Orlando did well there, all things considered.

[Basketball_Jones]

Nurse seems to have figured out the rotation now. I can see us making the playoffs now, and of course getting swept. We aren’t what I consider good though. Not until Siakam is all star caliber again, and not until there’s a decent Center. Both are reachable, but you take another step back next season when Lowry leaves. I don’t know who you sign with the max slot, but Oladipo isn’t any better then Kyle and arguably Powell.

[mihaic]

Nurse seems to have figured out the rotation now. I can see us making the playoffs now, and of course getting swept. We aren’t what I consider good though. Not until Siakam is all star caliber again, and not until there’s a decent Center. Both are reachable, but you take another step back next season when Lowry leaves. I don’t know who you sign with the max slot, but Oladipo isn’t any better then Kyle and arguably Powell.

I don't think I'd want Oladipo. I wish we could get Beal without giving up Siakam/OG. Best bet is to do a 1-year tank and use the lottery pick and a S&T Norm and another pick + a swap + filler, as trade bait for Beal or someone like that. But like you say we may be close to the playoff range than a top 6 pick which may entice the Wizards to trade.

Or maybe we can luck out with a real good rookie in the 12-20 pick range if we make the playoffs or are closeby. Kawhi and Giannis were drafted there, and so were Donovan Mitchell and Devin Booker (but so was Bruno and many other busts so it takes luck too).

[Inevitable]

Nurse seems to have figured out the rotation now. I can see us making the playoffs now, and of course getting swept. We aren’t what I consider good though. Not until Siakam is all star caliber again, and not until there’s a decent Center. Both are reachable, but you take another step back next season when Lowry leaves. I don’t know who you sign with the max slot, but Oladipo isn’t any better then Kyle and arguably Powell.

You’re gunna be back on the tank at the end of the month fam, the schedule is brutal and this team sucks on the road.

[Basketball_Jones]

Nurse seems to have figured out the rotation now. I can see us making the playoffs now, and of course getting swept. We aren’t what I consider good though. Not until Siakam is all star caliber again, and not until there’s a decent Center. Both are reachable, but you take another step back next season when Lowry leaves. I don’t know who you sign with the max slot, but Oladipo isn’t any better then Kyle and arguably Powell.

You’re gunna be back on the tank at the end of the month fam, the schedule is brutal and this team sucks on the road.

I hope you’re right. This team has a history of playing above its talent level though lol

[Son Goku 25]

Were either tanking this season or were going to playoffs this season and forced to do some sort of tank next year.

Long story short, don't lose this chance now and lose out a whole year and potentially trade assets.

[720]

Monk going off vs the Heat. Wish we traded for him earlier in the season when his value was it its lowest.

[720]

Were either tanking this season or were going to playoffs this season and forced to do some sort of tank next year.

Long story short, don't lose this chance now and lose out a whole year and potentially trade assets.

Next year's draft class is meh. A bunch of bigmen. This is the perfect year to draft high.

[Son Goku 25]

Were either tanking this season or were going to playoffs this season and forced to do some sort of tank next year.

Long story short, don't lose this chance now and lose out a whole year and potentially trade assets.

Next year's draft class is meh. A bunch of bigmen. This is the perfect year to draft high.

That's what I mean, I mean it could be good or not. My point is that the raps will be forced to tank or rebuild due to what will happen if were stuck in treadmill status and if/when Lowry leaves. Id rather take a mini step back this year and avoid delaying the inevitable.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Were either tanking this season or were going to playoffs this season and forced to do some sort of tank next year.

Long story short, don't lose this chance now and lose out a whole year and potentially trade assets.

Next year's draft class is meh. A bunch of bigmen. This is the perfect year to draft high.

That's what I mean, I mean it could be good or not. My point is that the raps will be forced to tank or rebuild due to what will happen if were stuck in treadmill status and if/when Lowry leaves. Id rather take a mini step back this year and avoid delaying the inevitable.

Next year's the double cohort with Emoni Bates at the top. Guys that are hyped as generational talents for years are better bets to tank for than just overall solid drafts, if we're talking about planning to tank to set the stage for a title. You want that LeBron/Oden/Durant hype. There's no one in this draft that has that kind of clout.

I'm also just highly skeptical of the belief that a team can take a "mini-step back." Is this year's first round pick supposed to immediately replace Lowry?

[Son Goku 25]

Next year's draft class is meh. A bunch of bigmen. This is the perfect year to draft high.

That's what I mean, I mean it could be good or not. My point is that the raps will be forced to tank or rebuild due to what will happen if were stuck in treadmill status and if/when Lowry leaves. Id rather take a mini step back this year and avoid delaying the inevitable.

Next year's the double cohort with Emoni Bates at the top. Guys that are hyped as generational talents for years are better bets to tank for than just overall solid drafts, if we're talking about planning to tank to set the stage for a title. You want that LeBron/Oden/Durant hype. There's no one in this draft that has that kind of clout.

I'm also just highly skeptical of the belief that a team can take a "mini-step back." Is this year's first round pick supposed to immediately replace Lowry?

Is this years first round pick going to immediately replace Lowry? I dont think so, unless that player is as advertised but who knows. I actually don't really care about that, I think having that true superstar in the making will make up for a lot of things though in the coming years and I'd be content with seeing our team grow knowing they will get better and aren't a treadmill team. I love the team foundation and program I think we're missing those top end players and our salary cap will help us round out our team nicely plus a trade or two.

I'm happy with our coaching staff as well which wasn't the case for a long time.

[anotherhomer]

U have to consider that if ujiri is leaving, he's gonna want to leave on a strong note

Which means no tanking

[Psubs]

U have to consider that if ujiri is leaving, he's gonna want to leave on a strong note

Which means no tanking

Like Alex Anthpolous with the Blue Jays...

[Psubs]

Monk going off vs the Heat. Wish we traded for him earlier in the season when his value was it its lowest.

He's still just a guy you can get for the MLE if he reaches elite microwave scorer off the bench. Pretty sure they are holding on to him as he's on his rookie contract and can match later.

Same for a guy like Mo Bamba in Orlando.

[720]

Next year's draft class is meh. A bunch of bigmen. This is the perfect year to draft high.

That's what I mean, I mean it could be good or not. My point is that the raps will be forced to tank or rebuild due to what will happen if were stuck in treadmill status and if/when Lowry leaves. Id rather take a mini step back this year and avoid delaying the inevitable.

Next year's the double cohort with Emoni Bates at the top. Guys that are hyped as generational talents for years are better bets to tank for than just overall solid drafts, if we're talking about planning to tank to set the stage for a title. You want that LeBron/Oden/Durant hype. There's no one in this draft that has that kind of clout.

I'm also just highly skeptical of the belief that a team can take a "mini-step back." Is this year's first round pick supposed to immediately replace Lowry?

Is it? Damn never mind. I’m a huge Emoni fan.

I thought it was 2022 for some reason when highschoolers could join.

[Pooh_Jeter]

The NBA wanted the double draft to be 2022 when they initially proposed ending the one and done rule, but they couldn't agree on terms with the players union. It doesn't look like that will be a thing until the next CBA, if at all.

I think with the G League pathway the appetite from the league to end one and done has subsided for the most part.

Bates is still technically part of the 2023 class, but he will likely re-classify.

[ATLTimekeeper]

That's what I mean, I mean it could be good or not. My point is that the raps will be forced to tank or rebuild due to what will happen if were stuck in treadmill status and if/when Lowry leaves. Id rather take a mini step back this year and avoid delaying the inevitable.

Next year's the double cohort with Emoni Bates at the top. Guys that are hyped as generational talents for years are better bets to tank for than just overall solid drafts, if we're talking about planning to tank to set the stage for a title. You want that LeBron/Oden/Durant hype. There's no one in this draft that has that kind of clout.

I'm also just highly skeptical of the belief that a team can take a "mini-step back." Is this year's first round pick supposed to immediately replace Lowry?

Is this years first round pick going to immediately replace Lowry? I dont think so, unless that player is as advertised but who knows. I actually don't really care about that, I think having that true superstar in the making will make up for a lot of things though in the coming years and I'd be content with seeing our team grow knowing they will get better and aren't a treadmill team. I love the team foundation and program I think we're missing those top end players and our salary cap will help us round out our team nicely plus a trade or two.

I'm happy with our coaching staff as well which wasn't the case for a long time.

Right, but then it's not a mini step back. And that's predicated on actually doing the unusual, which is drafting a true superstar in the draft.

I think we can all agree we'd be happy to draft a true superstar. Better odds at that next year.