Trade Talk (Part Five)

[Jedzz]

Culver for PJ Tucker...

young guy they can take a chance on

why not, close to even money and expires. Unless someone is sure they can spin up Culvers offense sson, a lot. I like his defense most games, he ends up positive because he's helping on defense. I didn't always believe that but this season it is more evident even for someone like me not watching him intently.

[Jedzz]

Wolves do need their first back though lol
They need Bates or Chet with no Towns period!

No, they don't.

What is this team going to do with Chet? The same thing they do with Towns now? And that's if Chet ends up being able to do half what Towns can? And Chet's not likely until 2022 and Bates the year later, right - wrong? Blow it all up I see good drafts coming!

[Slim Tubby]

I'm a little more curious about the Suns.

Say we suck again and Towns decides he's done. Say also that the Suns underperform and don't even make the play-in, with some rumblings that Booker is looking for an out.

You could do Towns, Russell and Hernangomez for Ayton, Paul, Smith and Crowder, plus 3-4 1sts/swaps and however many 2nds. Assuming we're bad/lucky enough to keep our 1st this season and say we'll take Suggs as the future PG, that would give us a Paul-Beasley-Edwards-Crowder-Ayton SLU to try and win games in the following season when we'd for sure lose our pick, with guys like Suggs and McDaniels off the bench to eventually take over for when Paul and Crowder are traded or leave. Paul wipes off Russell's salary essentially as he expires and Ayton might demand a max but maybe not (he's not exactly blowing anyone away) so we could end up saving some compared to Towns too. That should give us some wiggle room to either sign vets (even if we have to overpay) or to take on salary for additional picks.

Because PHX traded a 1st for Paul it is hard to make a deal with them, moreover I don't think we want Paul. That deal is an easy NO in my mind, someone will offer better.

I'm a little more curious about the Suns.

Say we suck again and Towns decides he's done. Say also that the Suns underperform and don't even make the play-in, with some rumblings that Booker is looking for an out.

You could do Towns, Russell and Hernangomez for Ayton, Paul, Smith and Crowder, plus 3-4 1sts/swaps and however many 2nds. Assuming we're bad/lucky enough to keep our 1st this season and say we'll take Suggs as the future PG, that would give us a Paul-Beasley-Edwards-Crowder-Ayton SLU to try and win games in the following season when we'd for sure lose our pick, with guys like Suggs and McDaniels off the bench to eventually take over for when Paul and Crowder are traded or leave. Paul wipes off Russell's salary essentially as he expires and Ayton might demand a max but maybe not (he's not exactly blowing anyone away) so we could end up saving some compared to Towns too. That should give us some wiggle room to either sign vets (even if we have to overpay) or to take on salary for additional picks.

Because PHX traded a 1st for Paul it is hard to make a deal with them, moreover I don't think we want Paul. That deal is an easy NO in my mind, someone will offer better.

The best trade is with Warriors. Sadly.

Wiseman
Oubre Jr.
Paschall
2021 Wolves 1st
2021 Warriors 1st (21-30 protected)
2026 Warriors 1st
2022&2023 Warriors 1st Swap

But I would look for a third team who may offer a bad contract + asset for expiring Oubre, maybe Paschall, plus Hernangomez and/or Beasley.

I’ve seen you post this on the Trade Board a few times and every time I read it, it gets worse. This isn’t even remotely close to fair value for a 25 year old offensive savant showing improvement on defense and under contract for 3+ years.

Trade KAT...don’t trade KAT, but you accept nothing but an overpay when you’re the person in control. Anything short of that is just weak. There is nothing you can say or attempt to justify that proves this to be an acceptable offer for Towns with all factors considered.


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[Wolveswin]

Because PHX traded a 1st for Paul it is hard to make a deal with them, moreover I don't think we want Paul. That deal is an easy NO in my mind, someone will offer better.

Because PHX traded a 1st for Paul it is hard to make a deal with them, moreover I don't think we want Paul. That deal is an easy NO in my mind, someone will offer better.

The best trade is with Warriors. Sadly.

Wiseman
Oubre Jr.
Paschall
2021 Wolves 1st
2021 Warriors 1st (21-30 protected)
2026 Warriors 1st
2022&2023 Warriors 1st Swap

But I would look for a third team who may offer a bad contract + asset for expiring Oubre, maybe Paschall, plus Hernangomez and/or Beasley.

I’ve seen you post this on the Trade Board a few times and every time I read it, it gets worse. This isn’t even remotely close to fair value for a 25 year old offensive savant showing improvement on defense and under contract for 3+ years.

Trade KAT...don’t trade KAT, but you accept nothing but an overpay when you’re the person in control. Anything short of that is just weak. There is nothing you can say or attempt to justify that proves this to be an acceptable offer for Towns with all factors considered.


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When coming to the thought process of trading Towns, one (and seems you fit in here) need to come to realization there is no such “fair” offer or probably any offer a fan wants to personally admit is “acceptable.” Trading teams best player that has all of that you detailed in more is not easy pill to swallow. We (and seems you fit in here) need to understand Wolves will not get equal value in any Towns trade.

[Wolveswin]

Let me be crystal clear here, odds of probability are Wolves do not trade Towns. Their plan is most likely make a roster adjustment (being actual improvement or not will be in the results TBD) and pray/hope they win enough games to gift Warriors 6-9 1st in 2021.

Then Wolves punt on 2021 draft and hope next season will be better with one year developed youth and yet a more refined Towns. With no cap space or draft picks the overhaul will be more of a tweak and running a very similar roster out there. Biggest change will be that of a new and experienced head coach (the pendulum swing).

I will pray/hope with them they don’t gift Warriors #4 in 2021 or even worse, 1-3 in 2022. That is not a plan but very sadly what Wolves and Wolves’ fans have to endure.

[Slim Tubby]

The best trade is with Warriors. Sadly.

Wiseman
Oubre Jr.
Paschall
2021 Wolves 1st
2021 Warriors 1st (21-30 protected)
2026 Warriors 1st
2022&2023 Warriors 1st Swap

But I would look for a third team who may offer a bad contract + asset for expiring Oubre, maybe Paschall, plus Hernangomez and/or Beasley.

I’ve seen you post this on the Trade Board a few times and every time I read it, it gets worse. This isn’t even remotely close to fair value for a 25 year old offensive savant showing improvement on defense and under contract for 3+ years.

Trade KAT...don’t trade KAT, but you accept nothing but an overpay when you’re the person in control. Anything short of that is just weak. There is nothing you can say or attempt to justify that proves this to be an acceptable offer for Towns with all factors considered.


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When coming to the thought process of trading Towns, one (and seems you fit in here) need to come to realization there is no such “fair” offer or probably any offer a fan wants to personally admit is “acceptable.” Trading teams best player that has all of that you detailed in more is not easy pill to swallow. We (and seems you fit in here) need to understand Wolves will not get equal value in any Towns trade.

You can turn in your magic Trade Value Decoder Ring now, young man. The GSW Board is calling you home for a celebratory lap dance.


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[Wolveswin]

I’ve seen you post this on the Trade Board a few times and every time I read it, it gets worse. This isn’t even remotely close to fair value for a 25 year old offensive savant showing improvement on defense and under contract for 3+ years.

Trade KAT...don’t trade KAT, but you accept nothing but an overpay when you’re the person in control. Anything short of that is just weak. There is nothing you can say or attempt to justify that proves this to be an acceptable offer for Towns with all factors considered.


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When coming to the thought process of trading Towns, one (and seems you fit in here) need to come to realization there is no such “fair” offer or probably any offer a fan wants to personally admit is “acceptable.” Trading teams best player that has all of that you detailed in more is not easy pill to swallow. We (and seems you fit in here) need to understand Wolves will not get equal value in any Towns trade.

You can turn in your magic Trade Value Decoder Ring now, young man. The GSW Board is calling you home for a celebratory lap dance.


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Wow has the quality level of discussion on Wolves board really dropped today.

[life_saver]

Team should be open to trading DLo if they can find a good offer..I hope the management doesn't have the idea of not trading DLo just because he is KAT's friend

[Note30]

Beal, Bertans, Deni, Wagner
for
DLo, Beasley, Hernangomez, Culver, Layman, and our 2023 pick unprotected, and every 2nd pick till 2023.

Rubio / JMac
Beal / Okogie /Nowell
Edwards/Deni
Bertans (once healthy) / McDaniels
Towns / Wagner/ Reid

[_AIJ_]

Which team do you think would take Dlo?

[Norseman79]

Which team do you think would take Dlo?

The way he is playing right now, none of them. I would look to teams like the Knicks, maybe Bulls. Teams that are fringe playoffs that think with a boost that they can make it. But he needs to play better than what he has.

[Wolveswin]

Beal, Bertans, Deni, Wagner
for
DLo, Beasley, Hernangomez, Culver, Layman, and our 2023 pick unprotected, and every 2nd pick till 2023.

Rubio / JMac
Beal / Okogie /Nowell
Edwards/Deni
Bertans (once healthy) / McDaniels
Towns / Wagner/ Reid

Wizards hang up and change their number. Add Westbrook out and Edwards to them and it’s maybe a fairly debatable trade.

[VCfor3]

The best trade is with Warriors. Sadly.

Wiseman
Oubre Jr.
Paschall
2021 Wolves 1st
2021 Warriors 1st (21-30 protected)
2026 Warriors 1st
2022&2023 Warriors 1st Swap

But I would look for a third team who may offer a bad contract + asset for expiring Oubre, maybe Paschall, plus Hernangomez and/or Beasley.

If you guys move Towns, I'd be calling up NOP, OKC, maybe ATL, and probably HOU. Towns is the kind of young star you unload the war chest for.

NOP can offer up a very large portion of the LAL and MIL pick packages they own and toss in a few prospects. Maybe JJ (sent to 3rd team), Hayes, Ball, and one of Hart or NAW if you want plus 21 LAL 1st, 21 NOP 1st, 24 LAL 1st, 24 NOP/MIL 1st (best of), 25 MIL 1st, 26 NOP/MIL 1st (best of), 27 MIL 1st, and maybe you get another 1st or some swaps added if OKC can boost the bidding up. Gives you a couple picks in this fairly strong draft, a couple years to tank and get top talent, and then a bunch of picks at a time you hope you are getting better and LAL/MIL is getting bad.

NOP still has quite a few 2nds, their own 1sts in 22, 23, 25, and 27, plus a swap option in 23 with LAL to use to try and solidify their backcourt though they could be a draw in FA with Ingram/Zion/KAT in the starting lineup. I guess they could also push for Russell to be included in the deal.

[Wolveswin]

The best trade is with Warriors. Sadly.

Wiseman
Oubre Jr.
Paschall
2021 Wolves 1st
2021 Warriors 1st (21-30 protected)
2026 Warriors 1st
2022&2023 Warriors 1st Swap

But I would look for a third team who may offer a bad contract + asset for expiring Oubre, maybe Paschall, plus Hernangomez and/or Beasley.

If you guys move Towns, I'd be calling up NOP, OKC, maybe ATL, and probably HOU. Towns is the kind of young star you unload the war chest for.

NOP can offer up a very large portion of the LAL and MIL pick packages they own and toss in a few prospects. Maybe JJ (sent to 3rd team), Hayes, Ball, and one of Hart or NAW if you want plus 21 LAL 1st, 21 NOP 1st, 24 LAL 1st, 24 NOP/MIL 1st (best of), 25 MIL 1st, 26 NOP/MIL 1st (best of), 27 MIL 1st, and maybe you get another 1st or some swaps added if OKC can boost the bidding up. Gives you a couple picks in this fairly strong draft, a couple years to tank and get top talent, and then a bunch of picks at a time you hope you are getting better and LAL/MIL is getting bad.

NOP still has quite a few 2nds, their own 1sts in 22, 23, 25, and 27, plus a swap option in 23 with LAL to use to try and solidify their backcourt though they could be a draw in FA with Ingram/Zion/KAT in the starting lineup. I guess they could also push for Russell to be included in the deal.

Sorry, but yuck.

I would take Wiseman over Hayes like 10 out of 10 times. About to be paid Ball has almost no value, and their fringe prospects don’t excite anyone.

Your trade is a PERFECT example of quantity vs. quality. Everyone of those Lakers and Bucks 1sts are going to be late to VERY late 1sts.

OKC is similar. They have a ton of 1sts, but not many (if any) quality.

Plus in any non Warriors scenario, Wolves still give the best 1st out there to Warriors — their own 2021 #4 or gulp, 2022 unprotected after trading Towns.

[Wolveswin]

Double.

[Norseman79]

As for this Towns to the Warriors nonsense, the Knicks (for example only) could offer Robinson and their next 4 consecutive 1rst round picks (due to picks acquired from Dallas), plus other players and 2nds. The 2022 draft scare is ridiculous as there is no promise we would be in the top two or three next year either.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y582zv9r

That unloads Kat and DLo, gives us approximately 35 million in expirings, 4 1rst, some 2nds, a center in Robinson who can rebound and block shots.

Rubio, JMac, Smith Jr (exp)
Beasley, Ntilikina (exp), Culver, Nowell
Edwards, Knox, Okoge, Bullock(exp), Layman
Randle(exp), McDaniels, Vanderbilt, Juancho
Robinson, Reid

Cut or buy out the ones you can, or reroute to a 3rd team for another big or 2nd rounders.

Without making other trades we go into the offseason with 35 mil in caproom, 9 1rst round picks in next 4 years, multiple 2nds and this roster

Rubio, JMac
Beasley, Culver
Edwards, Knox, Okoge, Layman
McDaniels, Vanderbilt, Juancho
Robinson, Reid

If we luck out, that could be Suggs, Mobley, or Cunningham with them and maybe even more.

[Jedzz]

Getting nothing but Knox and Robinson and then a bunch of draft picks for those two? Troubling to me. Who running this team knows how to draft?

[jpatrick]

Getting nothing but Knox and Robinson and then a bunch of draft picks for those two? Troubling to me. Who running this team knows how to draft?

We are not trading Towns right now. Just not happening. But I don’t see a deal better than Wiseman, our pick back, and all of Golden States picks and pick swaps they could offer over the next seven years.

Wiseman alone is better than Robinson/Knox plus we’d be getting our pick back.

But I repeat, if a Towns trade is made at some point, it cannot be Rosas making that move. It needs to be new owner/GM, assuming team is eventually sold.

[Norseman79]

Getting nothing but Knox and Robinson and then a bunch of draft picks for those two? Troubling to me. Who running this team knows how to draft?

I would consider the 35 mil in cap space a bonus as well.

I agree with you though, the problem is does that change where we are now?

[theGreatRC]

As for this Towns to the Warriors nonsense, the Knicks (for example only) could offer Robinson and their next 4 consecutive 1rst round picks (due to picks acquired from Dallas), plus other players and 2nds. The 2022 draft scare is ridiculous as there is no promise we would be in the top two or three next year either.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y582zv9r

That unloads Kat and DLo, gives us approximately 35 million in expirings, 4 1rst, some 2nds, a center in Robinson who can rebound and block shots.

Rubio, JMac, Smith Jr (exp)
Beasley, Ntilikina (exp), Culver, Nowell
Edwards, Knox, Okoge, Bullock(exp), Layman
Randle(exp), McDaniels, Vanderbilt, Juancho
Robinson, Reid

Cut or buy out the ones you can, or reroute to a 3rd team for another big or 2nd rounders.

Without making other trades we go into the offseason with 35 mil in caproom, 9 1rst round picks in next 4 years, multiple 2nds and this roster

Rubio, JMac
Beasley, Culver
Edwards, Knox, Okoge, Layman
McDaniels, Vanderbilt, Juancho
Robinson, Reid

If we luck out, that could be Suggs, Mobley, or Cunningham with them and maybe even more.

Rosas gets fired right after he hangs up the phone