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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#101 » by nate33 » Tue Feb 2, 2021 5:31 pm

DCZards wrote:I’d be opposed to any trade of Beal that led to the Zards only getting draft picks in return. They need to come away with at least one young high-potential player in any trade of Beal.

The AD trade yielded Brandon Ingram for New Orleans, who made the all-star team his first year in NO. When OKC traded Paul George, they received SGA, who is looking like a future all-star. That’s the kind of talent I’m hoping the Zards can get in a Beal trade.

There are too many unknowns in the draft (where will the pick fall, who will be available at that pick, how good is that player going to be in the NBA) for me to feel good about a trade of BB that resulted in the Zards only getting draft picks.

If we MUST trade BB, I’d be interested in any of these young players along with at least two high draft picks: Wiseman & Wiggins; Michael Porter Jr,. (although his health scares me); Herro, Robinson & Achiuwa; Hunter, Okongwu & Reddish.

The thing about draft picks is that they don't have instant value. That allows you to tank and "earn" higher picks yourself.

There's also the fact that the uncertainty about a draft pick works both ways. Yes, it's possible that we don't come away with any star caliber player. But it's also possible that we come away with one or two superstars, a guy (or guys) better than Beal.

No team is going to trade us a live player who is better than Beal.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#102 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Tue Feb 2, 2021 5:52 pm

nate33 wrote:
DCZards wrote:I’d be opposed to any trade of Beal that led to the Zards only getting draft picks in return. They need to come away with at least one young high-potential player in any trade of Beal.

The AD trade yielded Brandon Ingram for New Orleans, who made the all-star team his first year in NO. When OKC traded Paul George, they received SGA, who is looking like a future all-star. That’s the kind of talent I’m hoping the Zards can get in a Beal trade.

There are too many unknowns in the draft (where will the pick fall, who will be available at that pick, how good is that player going to be in the NBA) for me to feel good about a trade of BB that resulted in the Zards only getting draft picks.

If we MUST trade BB, I’d be interested in any of these young players along with at least two high draft picks: Wiseman & Wiggins; Michael Porter Jr,. (although his health scares me); Herro, Robinson & Achiuwa; Hunter, Okongwu & Reddish.

The thing about draft picks is that they don't have instant value. That allows you to tank and "earn" more picks yourself.

There's also the fact that the uncertainty about a draft pick works both ways. Yes, it's possible that we don't come away with any star caliber player. But it's also possible that we come away with one or two superstars, a guy (or guys) better than Beal.

No team is going to trade us a live player who is better than Beal.



It's like buying a lottery ticket!

The other hope is to get a couple young players that just haven't come close to reaching their potential. Again the risk is will they progress enough to eventually reach the level of the player youre losing.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#103 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Tue Feb 2, 2021 6:04 pm

nate33 wrote:
DCZards wrote:I’d be opposed to any trade of Beal that led to the Zards only getting draft picks in return. They need to come away with at least one young high-potential player in any trade of Beal.

The AD trade yielded Brandon Ingram for New Orleans, who made the all-star team his first year in NO. When OKC traded Paul George, they received SGA, who is looking like a future all-star. That’s the kind of talent I’m hoping the Zards can get in a Beal trade.

There are too many unknowns in the draft (where will the pick fall, who will be available at that pick, how good is that player going to be in the NBA) for me to feel good about a trade of BB that resulted in the Zards only getting draft picks.

If we MUST trade BB, I’d be interested in any of these young players along with at least two high draft picks: Wiseman & Wiggins; Michael Porter Jr,. (although his health scares me); Herro, Robinson & Achiuwa; Hunter, Okongwu & Reddish.

The thing about draft picks is that they don't have instant value. That allows you to tank and "earn" more picks yourself.

There's also the fact that the uncertainty about a draft pick works both ways. Yes, it's possible that we don't come away with any star caliber player. But it's also possible that we come away with one or two superstars, a guy (or guys) better than Beal.

No team is going to trade us a live player who is better than Beal.



The possibility of achieving this is if there is just a total clash of personality. A player that demands a trade or is totally not meshing with the organization. Like with Harden. You may get a player in that situation by dealing a similar level player. The Wall for Westbrook deal is a good example.

Or the deal just leads to a better fit for both teams, maybe due to position. Say team A has a high level SF and has another comparable SF and another promising young SF as well, but has a big hole at SG... They may deal said SF for a similar level SG, and maybe even a notch below, just because the fit is much better.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#104 » by DCZards » Tue Feb 2, 2021 6:34 pm

nate33 wrote:
DCZards wrote:I’d be opposed to any trade of Beal that led to the Zards only getting draft picks in return. They need to come away with at least one young high-potential player in any trade of Beal.

The AD trade yielded Brandon Ingram for New Orleans, who made the all-star team his first year in NO. When OKC traded Paul George, they received SGA, who is looking like a future all-star. That’s the kind of talent I’m hoping the Zards can get in a Beal trade.

There are too many unknowns in the draft (where will the pick fall, who will be available at that pick, how good is that player going to be in the NBA) for me to feel good about a trade of BB that resulted in the Zards only getting draft picks.

If we MUST trade BB, I’d be interested in any of these young players along with at least two high draft picks: Wiseman & Wiggins; Michael Porter Jr,. (although his health scares me); Herro, Robinson & Achiuwa; Hunter, Okongwu & Reddish.

The thing about draft picks is that they don't have instant value. That allows you to tank and "earn" more picks yourself.

There's also the fact that the uncertainty about a draft pick works both ways. Yes, it's possible that we don't come away with any star caliber player. But it's also possible that we come away with one or two superstars, a guy (or guys) better than Beal.

No team is going to trade us a live player who is better than Beal.

I'm not expecting a team to trade the Zards someone who is better than Beal. The Lakers didn't trade NO a player as good as AD...but they the Pels did get a damn good player in Ingram. That's what I'm looking and hoping for in any trade of BB.

Yes, it's true that a slew of draft picks MIGHT result in one or two superstars. But I believe "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush."
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#105 » by TGW » Tue Feb 2, 2021 6:49 pm

If the Wizards are serious about Ujuri, then keep Beal. If we do somehow land Ujiri, let him decide what to do. That's where I'm at right now.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#106 » by Silvie Lysandra » Tue Feb 2, 2021 6:59 pm

With the Wiz pursuing Ujiri and Beal stating vocally that he wants to be in DC, I think Beal is off the table for the rest of the season. I'd be looking at consolidation trades where you trade some of our younger pieces for a better but slightly older piece, without *totally* gutting our youth.

Think like, packing TBJ and Bonga for a youngish starting C.
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Post#107 » by nate33 » Tue Feb 2, 2021 7:11 pm

TGW wrote:If the Wizards are serious about Ujuri, then keep Beal. If we do somehow land Ujiri, let him decide what to do. That's where I'm at right now.

Agreed.

The other thing is that there is too much uncertainty in pick positioning to make a trade for a 2021 pick now. I'm with Dat2U in that we ought to wait for the offseason so we will know exactly what we are trading for. I would only trade Beal now if it was a godfather offer.

The only godfather offer I see being offered mid-season would be the best conceivable package Golden State could put together: - Wiseman, the Minny pick, 2021 1st, 2026 1st, 2027 swap, 2028 1st.

I'd take Simmons plus 2 picks or MPJ plus 2 picks, but I don't see those teams going all in like that right now.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#108 » by Ruzious » Tue Feb 2, 2021 7:37 pm

It'd be nice to throw in a sweetener like TJB, but the Wiz have successfully lowered his trade value to basically nothing.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#109 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Tue Feb 2, 2021 7:44 pm

Chaos Revenant wrote:With the Wiz pursuing Ujiri and Beal stating vocally that he wants to be in DC, I think Beal is off the table for the rest of the season. I'd be looking at consolidation trades where you trade some of our younger pieces for a better but slightly older piece, without *totally* gutting our youth.

Think like, packing TBJ and Bonga for a youngish starting C.




Troy Brown Jr & Bonga for Willie Cauley-Stein ?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7391244
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#110 » by nate33 » Tue Feb 2, 2021 8:02 pm

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:
Chaos Revenant wrote:With the Wiz pursuing Ujiri and Beal stating vocally that he wants to be in DC, I think Beal is off the table for the rest of the season. I'd be looking at consolidation trades where you trade some of our younger pieces for a better but slightly older piece, without *totally* gutting our youth.

Think like, packing TBJ and Bonga for a youngish starting C.




Troy Brown Jr & Bonga for Willie Cauley-Stein ?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7391244

WCS was signed as a free agent this summer for peanuts ($4M a year). Guys like that are available every summer. You don't trade two forwards with potential (on rookie deal contracts) for an easily attainable, replacement caliber center.
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Post#111 » by pcbothwel » Tue Feb 2, 2021 8:19 pm

nate33 wrote:
TGW wrote:If the Wizards are serious about Ujuri, then keep Beal. If we do somehow land Ujiri, let him decide what to do. That's where I'm at right now.

Agreed.

The other thing is that there is too much uncertainty in pick positioning to make a trade for a 2021 pick now. I'm with Dat2U in that we ought to wait for the offseason so we will know exactly what we are trading for. I would only trade Beal now if it was a godfather offer.

The only godfather offer I see being offered mid-season would be the best conceivable package Golden State could put together: - Wiseman, the Minny pick, 2021 1st, 2026 1st, 2027 swap, 2028 1st.

I'd take Simmons plus 2 picks or MPJ plus 2 picks, but I don't see those teams going all in like that right now.


Im on board with waiting unless we go into a tailspin over the next 30 games. But no way in hell I take Simmons plus two picks unless the picks are 24 & 26 unprotected along with Simmons going to a 3rd team for a haul.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#112 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Tue Feb 2, 2021 8:31 pm

nate33 wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:
Chaos Revenant wrote:With the Wiz pursuing Ujiri and Beal stating vocally that he wants to be in DC, I think Beal is off the table for the rest of the season. I'd be looking at consolidation trades where you trade some of our younger pieces for a better but slightly older piece, without *totally* gutting our youth.

Think like, packing TBJ and Bonga for a youngish starting C.




Troy Brown Jr & Bonga for Willie Cauley-Stein ?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7391244

WCS was signed as a free agent this summer for peanuts ($4M a year). Guys like that are available every summer. You don't trade two forwards with potential (on rookie deal contracts) for an easily attainable, replacement caliber center.



Would you do it for just TBJ?

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Post#113 » by nate33 » Tue Feb 2, 2021 9:10 pm

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:
nate33 wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:


Troy Brown Jr & Bonga for Willie Cauley-Stein ?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7391244

WCS was signed as a free agent this summer for peanuts ($4M a year). Guys like that are available every summer. You don't trade two forwards with potential (on rookie deal contracts) for an easily attainable, replacement caliber center.



Would you do it for just TBJ?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7391275

No.

I don't think WCS is enough of an upgrade over Lopez/Len/Wagner to be worth anything at all.
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Post#114 » by Silvie Lysandra » Tue Feb 2, 2021 9:27 pm

nate33 wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:
nate33 wrote:WCS was signed as a free agent this summer for peanuts ($4M a year). Guys like that are available every summer. You don't trade two forwards with potential (on rookie deal contracts) for an easily attainable, replacement caliber center.



Would you do it for just TBJ?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7391275

No.

I don't think WCS is enough of an upgrade over Lopez/Len/Wagner to be worth anything at all.


I agree that WCS is not a major upgrade, but is there any C/big defensive PF that is:

Youngish (between 23-26)
Fairly productive (15ish PER)
Healthy

that someone would trade for Brown/Bonga/2nds?
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Post#115 » by Dat2U » Tue Feb 2, 2021 9:28 pm

nate33 wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:
nate33 wrote:WCS was signed as a free agent this summer for peanuts ($4M a year). Guys like that are available every summer. You don't trade two forwards with potential (on rookie deal contracts) for an easily attainable, replacement caliber center.



Would you do it for just TBJ?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7391275

No.

I don't think WCS is enough of an upgrade over Lopez/Len/Wagner to be worth anything at all.


Clock is ticking on TBJ tho. His value is only getting more depressed. Russ, Ish & Neto's presence are blocking him from playing on the ball... the only way he's effective. Its been past time to cash in and get something, whether its a future 2nd or a rotation level vet.
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Post#116 » by Dat2U » Tue Feb 2, 2021 9:35 pm

nate33 wrote:
TGW wrote:If the Wizards are serious about Ujuri, then keep Beal. If we do somehow land Ujiri, let him decide what to do. That's where I'm at right now.

Agreed.

The other thing is that there is too much uncertainty in pick positioning to make a trade for a 2021 pick now. I'm with Dat2U in that we ought to wait for the offseason so we will know exactly what we are trading for. I would only trade Beal now if it was a godfather offer.

The only godfather offer I see being offered mid-season would be the best conceivable package Golden State could put together: - Wiseman, the Minny pick, 2021 1st, 2026 1st, 2027 swap, 2028 1st.

I'd take Simmons plus 2 picks or MPJ plus 2 picks, but I don't see those teams going all in like that right now.


The Wiz have time to right the ship and get back mediocrity. We aren't tanking... especially if Russ is getting healthy and back to last years pre-bubble performance. If anything, i look for another small move coming. Likely with the back end of the roster to get vet for the rotation. Someone with a rep as a defender. Our picks should be safe tho. Wanna save those for Masai. :D
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#117 » by Ruzious » Tue Feb 2, 2021 9:40 pm

Dat2U wrote:
nate33 wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:

Would you do it for just TBJ?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7391275

No.

I don't think WCS is enough of an upgrade over Lopez/Len/Wagner to be worth anything at all.


Clock is ticking on TBJ tho. His value is only getting more depressed. Russ, Ish & Neto's presence are blocking him from playing on the ball... the only way he's effective. Its been past time to cash in and get something, whether its a future 2nd or a rotation level vet.

I get that they were unhappy with TBJ's defense - I was too - but playing Neto ahead of him doesn't make any sense, because Neto physically can't guard anyone. He's not Isaiah bad, and he at least tries harder than Isaiah, but he's really bad on defense. At least TBJ can make switches and cover a variety of players - even though he's a matador too often. But he's young, and he can learn to be better - Neto can't do it - he belongs in Europe.
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Post#118 » by nate33 » Tue Feb 2, 2021 9:45 pm

Chaos Revenant wrote:
nate33 wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:

Would you do it for just TBJ?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7391275

No.

I don't think WCS is enough of an upgrade over Lopez/Len/Wagner to be worth anything at all.


I agree that WCS is not a major upgrade, but is there any C/big defensive PF that is:

Youngish (between 23-26)
Fairly productive (15ish PER)
Healthy

that someone would trade for Brown/Bonga/2nds?

No. Really good defensive centers like Capela cost more than Brown/Bonga/2nds. Mediocre defensive centers (Noah, WCS, Biyombo, etc.) don't cost anything and you shouldn't sacrifice actual assets to get them. Just be patient and one should turn up.

I wonder if Miami would entertain a Troy Brown for Achiuwa offer?
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#119 » by Silvie Lysandra » Tue Feb 2, 2021 10:12 pm

nate33 wrote:
Chaos Revenant wrote:
nate33 wrote:I wonder if Miami would entertain a Troy Brown for Achiuwa offer?


Miami laughs us off the phone with just about any offer for Achiuwa that doesn't have either Bradley Beal, Deni Avidja or an unprotected 2021 1st going back the other way. Maybe they'd entertain Rui + Bertans + future 1st for Precious + Iggy, but they're certainly not trading him for Troy Brown.

Imo, Troy Brown is the kind of player that ends up being really good on like, his 3rd contract, because he's not great off ball, but a lot of teams have better facilitators than him at this point in his career.
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Post#120 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Tue Feb 2, 2021 10:21 pm

Chaos Revenant wrote:
nate33 wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:

Would you do it for just TBJ?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7391275

No.

I don't think WCS is enough of an upgrade over Lopez/Len/Wagner to be worth anything at all.


I agree that WCS is not a major upgrade, but is there any C/big defensive PF that is:

Youngish (between 23-26)
Fairly productive (15ish PER)
Healthy

that someone would trade for Brown/Bonga/2nds?



What about Jaxson Hayes?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7391307

He's been disapointing, but he's only 20. Maybe it's a issue of teams being a better fit for both him and TBJ?



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