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[coolhandluke121]

After a blazing hot first six games, Donte is 17/63 (27%) in his last 14 games from 3. He's still at 38.7% overall, but his 2 pt % has cratered this year to 43%. It pains me to say it, but an upgrade will be needed.

I think his form has deteriorated a little. He's kind of gone back to flinging it from the top of his jump instead of releasing it in sync with his upward momentum. Growth comes in fits and starts. This is normal. Just show him film and work on his release. It would be impulsive to give up on him over this.

Besides, he still brings the defense and hustle even when he's out of sorts with the ball. It just amazes that a guy like Jabari could once be thought of so highly just because he could bring a lot of scoring, even though he was bad at everything else and sometimes wasn't even doing the one thing he's good at, but a guy like DDV can't get credit for doing so many other things well on a nightly basis whether he's scoring or not, and sometimes he brings scoring as well, but he can't get credit from some people despite having a much more positive impact on the team overall.

[coolhandluke121]

That said I'm definitely on board for trading DDV + Lopez if they can get a good player out of the deal and avoid having to give DDV a huge raise in 1.5 years.

[tydett]

I'm a big old dummy, but my dream trade right now is Middleton + DDV for Lillard + Trent.

[DingleJerry]

I'm a big old dummy, but my dream trade right now is Middleton + DDV for Lillard + Trent.

Maybe if we still had all those picks to add on. Por isn't trading Dame unless he makes them. He'll keep them winning and relevant by himself and fill the arena when it can be.

Along with what CHL said too on DDV. Yes, he does all the little things right but can't shoot quite good enough, so he gets hate. Forbes is shooting just like we'd hoped, but can't do all the little things right and he's hated on. With our situation you're just not gong to get a perfect player unless you nail a late pick (like Por did with Trent, that's what we need) so the coaches have to scheme and use the guys as best as they can, pair them in the right lineups etc. It's all they can do. Not like I was ever a big Brown guy one way or the other, but you have to wonder if there was something there we left on the table. Can shoot and can play D, held his own as a starter two years ago when Malcolm went down.

[WRau1]

DDV is an infuriating player. He'll miss a few wide open 3s or a terrible layup and I'll want him gone but then he'll immediately follow it up with a hustle rebound over a C or a great defensive sequence that prevents a bucket.

[DingleJerry]

DDV is an infuriating player. He'll miss a few wide open 3s or a terrible layup and I'll want him gone but then he'll immediately follow it up with a hustle rebound over a C or a great defensive sequence that prevents a bucket.

Yup, great backup combo guard any team would want. But trending towards not quite good enough of an offensive player to be a starter for a true contender. Of course leave a caveat for a special circumstance like if he was on the Lakers or other recent megateams. And there is obvious room to prove that wrong or be a notch better, like if he maintains 38-40% all year even if the off the dribble stuff still isn't there. I'd guess he ends up more like 34-35% but we'll see.

[emunney]

DDV is an infuriating player. He'll miss a few wide open 3s or a terrible layup and I'll want him gone but then he'll immediately follow it up with a hustle rebound over a C or a great defensive sequence that prevents a bucket.

Yup, great backup combo guard any team would want. But trending towards now quite good enough of an offensive player to be a starter for a true contender. Of course leave a caveat for a special circumstance like if he was on the Lakers or other recent megateams. And there is obvious room to prove that wrong or be a notch better, like if he maintains 38-40% all year even if the off the dribble stuff still isn't there. I'd guess he ends up more like 34-45% but we'll see.

It's year three and we'll see how it turns out, certainly it doesn't help young players to not get a real offseason with professional trainers, but right now he's more Danny Green than Manu. I have little interest in trading him, I think we'll be able to extend him at a reasonable price this summer and am interested in doing that, but if there's some scenario where we trade him and get a 3rd Jrue/Midds level player -- ideally a point guard so you can move Jrue to 2 -- you'd be an idiot to pass on it. Or if he wants out, I'd look for something that works.

[vollbc74]

Lets get weird

Bucks Out: BroLo, Augustin, Wilson, DDV, Forbes, 21 1st, & 23 1st
Bucks In: Dipo, Zach Collins, Gary Trent Jr, & 22 MKE 1st

HOU Out: Dipo & 22 MKE 1st
HOU In: BroLo, Augustin, Mo Wagner, 21 1st, & 23 1st

WAS Out: Beal & Mo Wagner
WAS In: McCollum, DDV, & Forbes

POR Out: McCollum, Zach Collins, & Gary Trent Jr
POR In: Beal & Wilson


Saves us a little over 1m and gets us in the buyout market.

Jrue/??
Dipo/Trent
Middleton/Craig/Connaughton
Giannis/Thanasis
Portis/Collins

[skones]

Lets get weird

Bucks Out: BroLo, Augustin, Wilson, DDV, Forbes, 21 1st, & 23 1st
Bucks In: Dipo, Zach Collins, Gary Trent Jr, & 22 MKE 1st

HOU Out: Dipo & 22 MKE 1st
HOU In: BroLo, Augustin, Mo Wagner, 21 1st, & 23 1st

WAS Out: Beal & Mo Wagner
WAS In: McCollum, DDV, & Forbes

POR Out: McCollum, Zach Collins, & Gary Trent Jr
POR In: Beal & Wilson


Saves us a little over 1m and gets us in the buyout market.

Jrue/??
Dipo/Trent
Middleton/Craig/Connaughton
Giannis/Thanasis
Portis/Collins

Augustin, Wilson, and Forbes have zero value whatsoever. BroLo hasn't looked valuable this season. DDV's value has decreased since the start of this season. Nothing about that package says it's worth Dipo a positive asset, Collins, a positive asset, and Trent, a positive asset. We're sapping all of the value and leaving Houston holding the bag here. It's not realistic.

[coolhandluke121]

Lets get weird

Bucks Out: BroLo, Augustin, Wilson, DDV, Forbes, 21 1st, & 23 1st
Bucks In: Dipo, Zach Collins, Gary Trent Jr, & 22 MKE 1st

HOU Out: Dipo & 22 MKE 1st
HOU In: BroLo, Augustin, Mo Wagner, 21 1st, & 23 1st

WAS Out: Beal & Mo Wagner
WAS In: McCollum, DDV, & Forbes

POR Out: McCollum, Zach Collins, & Gary Trent Jr
POR In: Beal & Wilson


Saves us a little over 1m and gets us in the buyout market.

Jrue/??
Dipo/Trent
Middleton/Craig/Connaughton
Giannis/Thanasis
Portis/Collins

Augustin, Wilson, and Forbes have zero value whatsoever. BroLo hasn't looked valuable this season. DDV's value has decreased since the start of this season. Nothing about that package says it's worth Dipo a positive asset, Collins, a positive asset, and Trent, a positive asset. We're sapping all of the value and leaving Houston holding the bag here. It's not realistic.

Houston is going to have an extremely difficult decision to make with regard to re-signing Oladipo. They lose the trade by a little, but I think it's actually worse for Washington and Portland, with the Bucks basically doing bad things to all of them in the deal.

[tski1972]

What does Donte and DJW realistically get in return?

Alec Burks and a pick?

Wayne Ellington and a pick?

[skones]

Lets get weird

Bucks Out: BroLo, Augustin, Wilson, DDV, Forbes, 21 1st, & 23 1st
Bucks In: Dipo, Zach Collins, Gary Trent Jr, & 22 MKE 1st

HOU Out: Dipo & 22 MKE 1st
HOU In: BroLo, Augustin, Mo Wagner, 21 1st, & 23 1st

WAS Out: Beal & Mo Wagner
WAS In: McCollum, DDV, & Forbes

POR Out: McCollum, Zach Collins, & Gary Trent Jr
POR In: Beal & Wilson


Saves us a little over 1m and gets us in the buyout market.

Jrue/??
Dipo/Trent
Middleton/Craig/Connaughton
Giannis/Thanasis
Portis/Collins

Augustin, Wilson, and Forbes have zero value whatsoever. BroLo hasn't looked valuable this season. DDV's value has decreased since the start of this season. Nothing about that package says it's worth Dipo a positive asset, Collins, a positive asset, and Trent, a positive asset. We're sapping all of the value and leaving Houston holding the bag here. It's not realistic.

Houston is going to have an extremely difficult decision to make with regard to re-signing Oladipo. They lose the trade by a little, but I think it's actually worse for Washington and Portland, with the Bucks basically doing bad things to all of them in the deal.

I guess I don't agree at all. Houston's answer to the Dipo situation is acquiring Brolo when they already have Wood and Cousins in the fold? What? They're dealing Dipo for salary they don't need for a first? That's just all sorts of bad for them.

Beal is an upgrade to McCollum, and that's the cost of doing business, so I don't think this is bad for Portland at all. If the Beal situation goes south, Washington gets an efficient scoring guard and a solid, productive piece, in DDV for years to come. Not ideal, they can get much more, but it's not unheard of from an organization that employed Ernie Grunfeld into 2019, a regime in which their current GM was a part of.

[Ron Swanson]

At this point I think you need to hold onto Donte until the offseason as a last resort trade chip. If you can make a Finals run and re-sign Jrue, then you probably just wanna re-up Donte on a reasonable extension and roll with what you have. But for the nightmare scenario of them getting bounced before the Conference Finals and Jrue walking in free agency, he's basically the last valuable trade asset you have to upgrade the roster given the complete lack of draft capital.

[skones]

What does Donte and DJW realistically get in return?

Alec Burks and a pick?

Wayne Ellington and a pick?

Both of these are ew. In other news, Alec Burks went to the **** Knicks for one year 6 million. We signed DJ Augustin to 2 for 14 and Pat Connaughton for 3 for 16 AND GAVE HIM A **** PO.

[Coach Carter]

Khris, jrue n giannis make for a good starting 5, regardless of who the other two guys are.

Portis is our only good option off the bench. I don't like the idea of moving him to the starting 5 as our 2nd unit is already terrible. If you were to add dipo though, Dipo + portis can shoulder the load whilst our big 3 sit or you can mix it up. Point is we add another reliable scoring option who can hold his own defensively. You enter the playoffs with 5 guys you can bet on, get some purple patch shooting from one or two of the other scrubs, you'll make some noise.

[raferfenix]

Do we know when exactly Jrue can extend?

It's some time in February, should be soon now.

Imagine both sides will be motivated to get a deal done.

Bucks dealt too much to risk losing him for nothing. And I would hope we had some kind of agent assurance that he would stay -- especially considering all the tampering we were doing at the same time for the likes of Bogdan.

Then again we traded for Holiday without Giannis being guaranteed to stay, but still. Stands to reason Holiday will take the money and run and not risk an injury cutting his season short and costing him millions on what will likely be his last long term deal.

[Daver]

After a blazing hot first six games, Donte is 17/63 (27%) in his last 14 games from 3. He's still at 38.7% overall, but his 2 pt % has cratered this year to 43%. It pains me to say it, but an upgrade will be needed.

Why does it pain you most of this board way overhyped him from day . I mean some posters actually had the gonads to say his stats made him a top 10 SG last season wow lonnngggg way from that .Sometines the eye test is better than stats

[slos]

Dipo is looking good in Houston FWIW. Their D is way better since he replaced Harden. He's also averaging 5.4 APG in his first 7 games. Both are qualities we can use. Bucks can't afford defensive liabilities against all these superteams. We also need everyone to pass the ball since Jrue/Midds/Giannis can all be PGs but none is a pure PG. Adding Dipo in the mix makes both our perimeter defense and ball movement better. Dipo can also be another scoring threat we badly need. His shooting is average at the moment in Houston at 40/34/73, but it can be better in Milwaukee at lower volume with better looks.

Brook + Augustin + Connaughton + Wilson + 2021/2023 FRPs + 2nds
for
Dipo + min vets (Cousins, Hassan, buyout guys etc) + 2022 FRP

is what I'm looking for in total from Horst till the deadline. This plan will also help the ownership avoid the tax, which will be crucial with Jrue's and Dipo's extensions kicking in along with Giannis' supermax.

Jrue..........DDV.........Merrill
Dipo..........Forbes.....Nwora
Midds.........xxx.........Thanasis
Giannis.......xxx.........Craig
Portis ........xxx..........xxx

That's a great 7 man rotation. I guess it won't be too difficult to add 2-3 serviceable vets to round up that roster.

HOU isn't taking on a bunch of dead salary just for a few late picks. You'll have to add another team to take Lopez and send more assets to HOU. DDV would most likely need to be included.

I didn't propose this as one trade, but as the total outcome for Milwaukee till the deadline. Obviously more teams than Houston will need to be involved.

Houston is a good trade partner for us since they are entering a rebuilding and they are the only team that can free us an extra 1st to trade (2021 and 2023 FRPs for our 2022 FRP back) without making it too complicated. Dipo will be the best player available Bucks can get with their limited assets. It just makes sense. The fit is not ideal, but it can definitely work and it comes at low cost. I could be wrong but I don't see a bigger market for Dipo than an expiring and a non lottery 1st. Houston can ship Brook to a 3rd team and get some extra value. You start from there.

The rest is using some SRPs to flip Pat and the DJs into serviceable min guys to get some help and avoid the tax. Assuming Jrue signs that extension in late February and Dipo is on board to resign in summer Bucks will have to pay 130+ mil to their Big 4 alone. That's a huge tax bill for the next 4 years, which makes it essential to avoid the tax this season in this plan.

[buckbeer]

Trade Brook for Bjelica and Whiteside. This trade frees up payroll to extend Portis' contract and add two useful bigs to replace Brook. Whiteside replaces Brook's defensive role in the post and Bjelica is a decent stretch 4.

[skones]

Trade Brook for Bjelica and Whiteside. This trade frees up payroll to extend Portis' contract and add two useful bigs to replace Brook. Whiteside replaces Brook's defensive role in the post and Bjelica is a decent stretch 4.

You cannot extend Portis, he will be an UFA, and he's served his purpose. It continues to be mind boggling that everyone and their mother is bitching about how this team looks right now but still wants to throw big money at Holiday because of a sunk cost fallacy and Bobby Portis because he's king of the nerds. We're not in a position to pay and give long term deals to bench contributors.

HERE is a list of this years free agents. There are a ton of guys you can bring in and build a quality bench with while keeping costs low. When you give a guy a "prove it" bench deal, more often than not, that second deal isn't going to be worth it because A) the price goes up and B) it's too many years.