Lonzo Ball Thread (UPDATE: Bulls Offer Sato + 2nd Round picks)

[Sinistar6]

I haven't followed Lonzo's career to this point, but he's been traded a few times during his rookie contract. He's been in the league for several years now and hasn't proven to be a winning player or a difference maker. And lastly he doesn't seem to be the kind of guy who has the drive/ambition to turn it around. Someone correct me if I'm wrong about any of this.

He's only been traded once, but otherwise you're on the money. He can't shoot, and that limits his role on a hypothetical winning team to being a 2nd string defensive specialist PG; I'm not sure he would even accept that role given he's started 90% of his games so far.

There's a reason LeBron didn't care about shipping him out in the AD trade.

Did LeBron also not care about shipping Ingram? I think your final statement is dripping with bias.

[Ice Man]

I have followed this for days. Man I don't get the Lonzo interest. I can think of no explanation except that he is famous. A 49% career TS%, his assist/TO ratio is nothing special, and perennially bad on/off court ratings. He is has the lowest rating among Pelican starters for net rating this year. Those ratings say -

Zion - excellent
Adams - good
Ingram - good
Bledsoe - bad player who brings down the team
Ball - worse than Bledsoe

[fleet]

I have followed this for days. Man I don't get the Lonzo interest. I can think of no explanation except that he is famous. A 49% career TS%, his assist/TO ratio is nothing special, and perennially bad on/off court ratings. He is has the lowest rating among Pelican starters for net rating this year. Those ratings say -

Zion - excellent
Adams - good
Ingram - good
Bledsoe - bad player who brings down the team
Ball - worse than Bledsoe

Everyone sees his raw ability. Whether or not he brings it is another question. SVG is trying to make him a 2 guard/secondary facilitator. It's pretty much ridiculous.

[Ice Man]

I have followed this for days. Man I don't get the Lonzo interest. I can think of no explanation except that he is famous. A 49% career TS%, his assist/TO ratio is nothing special, and perennially bad on/off court ratings. He is has the lowest rating among Pelican starters for net rating this year. Those ratings say -

Zion - excellent
Adams - good
Ingram - good
Bledsoe - bad player who brings down the team
Ball - worse than Bledsoe

Everyone sees his raw ability. Whether or not he brings it is another question. SVG is trying to make him a 2 guard/secondary facilitator. It's pretty much ridiculous.

But he's always been like this. He never can shoot, he never gets all that many assists per 36, and he always has the worst net rating of any Pelicans starter. He's just a bad NBA player. OK maybe mediocre. A 9th man.

[PaKii94]

I have followed this for days. Man I don't get the Lonzo interest. I can think of no explanation except that he is famous. A 49% career TS%, his assist/TO ratio is nothing special, and perennially bad on/off court ratings. He is has the lowest rating among Pelican starters for net rating this year. Those ratings say -

Zion - excellent
Adams - good
Ingram - good
Bledsoe - bad player who brings down the team
Ball - worse than Bledsoe

Everyone sees his raw ability. Whether or not he brings it is another question. SVG is trying to make him a 2 guard/secondary facilitator. It's pretty much ridiculous.

But he's always been like this. He never can shoot, he never gets all that many assists per 36, and he always has the worst net rating of any Pelicans starter. He's just a bad NBA player. OK maybe mediocre. A 9th man.

I get all that you are saying and I agree with your interpretation of the stats but it could be another instance of stats not showing the full story like we had with Lauri last year. We don't (or at least I haven't watched enough NOP ball) know the context behind those numbers. Lauri if only examined by his overall stats last year would be expected to be out of the league this year.

[fleet]

I have followed this for days. Man I don't get the Lonzo interest. I can think of no explanation except that he is famous. A 49% career TS%, his assist/TO ratio is nothing special, and perennially bad on/off court ratings. He is has the lowest rating among Pelican starters for net rating this year. Those ratings say -

Zion - excellent
Adams - good
Ingram - good
Bledsoe - bad player who brings down the team
Ball - worse than Bledsoe

Everyone sees his raw ability. Whether or not he brings it is another question. SVG is trying to make him a 2 guard/secondary facilitator. It's pretty much ridiculous.

But he's always been like this. He never can shoot, he never gets all that many assists per 36, and he always has the worst net rating of any Pelicans starter. He's just a bad NBA player. OK maybe mediocre. A 9th man.

his value is pretty low atm, which is why he's available. On this team, his defense is probably sorely needed since Coby is literally the worst. We've got other guys we can give Coby's shots to, and Coby is actually not that great at shooting anyway. I'm willing to give it a chance because there is not that much opportunity cost to it. Might actually be a nice change of pace bringing Coby off the bench.

[transplant]

But he's always been like this. He never can shoot, he never gets all that many assists per 36, and he always has the worst net rating of any Pelicans starter. He's just a bad NBA player. OK maybe mediocre. A 9th man.

Well then, we ought to trade the farm for him. I mean, he's Lonzo Ball, Dammit! Ignore the stats. We've all heard of him. His dad makes all kinds of noise. Big Baller! etc. etc.

[fleet]

By the way, the obligatory bucket of cold water has not yet been tossed on this by KC Johnson yes?

[PaKii94]

By the way, the obligatory bucket of cold water has not yet been tossed on this by KC Johnson yes?

He kinda stroked it on one of the podcasts I was listening to. iirc he said something along the lines of "the rumors for lonzo should tell you AKME are acknowledging that Coby isn't a PG"

[fleet]

By the way, the obligatory bucket of cold water has not yet been tossed on this by KC Johnson yes?

He kinda stroked it on one of the podcasts I was listening to. iirc he said something along the lines of "the rumors for lonzo should tell you AKME are acknowledging that Coby isn't a PG"

Reminder that the starters have not held their own all season. Something new at low cost is something to hope on in my view.

[bpguimaraes23]

I'm all for incrementally improve the team around Lavine e try to stay relevant until the opportunity to trade for a star presents itself. But all the court vision in the world means nothing if opposing defences don't respect your ability to shoot/score.

I think the Bulls should look somewhere else.

[Jiipee84]

Personally i couldn't care less and give about a damn who's taking Bulls starter PG role.
But the fact is that this problem needs to be fixed what sooner that better.

Satoransky isn't that PG what he was in 2019 Fiba world cup tournament
he's a like a shadow to compared for that tourney performances.

White is he is and that same can be said for Ryan Arcidiacono.
If Lonzo Ball really is a option for Bulls starter PG so be it.

But if the cost is Lauri and something else like 1st round pick / 1st round picks
then AK and Me better to forget whole damn Lonzo trade.

Yes i can watch Lonzo in Bulls jersey but it requires that Lonzo keeps his clown father 500 miles away of the Bulls.
I really don't like Lavar Ball and if he shows up to Chicago and starts causing media drama then i'm done with Bulls.

[Red8911]

I have followed this for days. Man I don't get the Lonzo interest. I can think of no explanation except that he is famous. A 49% career TS%, his assist/TO ratio is nothing special, and perennially bad on/off court ratings. He is has the lowest rating among Pelican starters for net rating this year. Those ratings say -

Zion - excellent
Adams - good
Ingram - good
Bledsoe - bad player who brings down the team
Ball - worse than Bledsoe

Yeah don’t really get the interest, Coby is better. He may not be a natural pass first PG but not many around the league are either. Now all of a sudden we want a real traditional PG lol. Bulls had Rondo and no one liked him,they want Ball though for some reason. Doesn’t make any sense.

[nomorezorro]

Well then, we ought to trade the farm for him. I mean, he's Lonzo Ball, Dammit! Ignore the stats. We've all heard of him. His dad makes all kinds of noise. Big Baller! etc. etc.

you can actually acquire players without giving up a lot in return

lonzo ball is a rental who hasn't been a particularly good nba player but might look better in a different setting. he should be a cheap acquisition for whoever adds him

[fleet]

I have followed this for days. Man I don't get the Lonzo interest. I can think of no explanation except that he is famous. A 49% career TS%, his assist/TO ratio is nothing special, and perennially bad on/off court ratings. He is has the lowest rating among Pelican starters for net rating this year. Those ratings say -

Zion - excellent
Adams - good
Ingram - good
Bledsoe - bad player who brings down the team
Ball - worse than Bledsoe

Yeah don’t really get the interest, Coby is better. He may not be a natural pass first PG but not many around the league are either. Now all of a sudden we want a real traditional PG lol. Bulls had Rondo and no one liked him,they want Ball though for some reason. Doesn’t make any sense.

Coby is an 11 PER player. That being the case, I'd rather bump PnR defense with the bigger player Lonzo, a 12 PER player

[Chicago-Bull-E]

I have followed this for days. Man I don't get the Lonzo interest. I can think of no explanation except that he is famous. A 49% career TS%, his assist/TO ratio is nothing special, and perennially bad on/off court ratings. He is has the lowest rating among Pelican starters for net rating this year. Those ratings say -

Zion - excellent
Adams - good
Ingram - good
Bledsoe - bad player who brings down the team
Ball - worse than Bledsoe

If net rating is the stat you want to use, you’d probably be willing to give up Lavine and Coby for Ball.

[netduri2]

Read on Twitter

Can't get FTs

Can't hit open 3s

Can't create for others in halfcourt because of his loose ball-handling and passive mindset.

And yet people want to bring Lonzo to the Bulls.

Wow. I wonder if these guys who keep saying "trade Lauri (or FRP) for Lonzo" ever watch Lonzo play.
He played like **** even when playing with Lebron. Friendly reminder that Bulls don't have Lebron-caliber player.

I know one person who really were interested in bringing Lonzo to the Bulls. That guy's name is Gar Forman lol.

[DroseReturnChi]

I have followed this for days. Man I don't get the Lonzo interest. I can think of no explanation except that he is famous. A 49% career TS%, his assist/TO ratio is nothing special, and perennially bad on/off court ratings. He is has the lowest rating among Pelican starters for net rating this year. Those ratings say -

Zion - excellent
Adams - good
Ingram - good
Bledsoe - bad player who brings down the team
Ball - worse than Bledsoe

Everyone sees his raw ability. Whether or not he brings it is another question. SVG is trying to make him a 2 guard/secondary facilitator. It's pretty much ridiculous.

But he's always been like this. He never can shoot, he never gets all that many assists per 36, and he always has the worst net rating of any Pelicans starter. He's just a bad NBA player. OK maybe mediocre. A 9th man.

If you blame Lonzo for shooting, you just never understand him as a prospect. Not every player has to be a great shooter and what Lonzo does is empower Lauri, Lavine to its full potential as a supporter. You tell me if the Bulls are doing well with a much improved shooter 35% White? The Bulls have great offensive weapons and what they need is a low usage guy that has elite vision.

[BullChit]

Everyone sees his raw ability. Whether or not he brings it is another question. SVG is trying to make him a 2 guard/secondary facilitator. It's pretty much ridiculous.

But he's always been like this. He never can shoot, he never gets all that many assists per 36, and he always has the worst net rating of any Pelicans starter. He's just a bad NBA player. OK maybe mediocre. A 9th man.

If you blame Lonzo for shooting, you just never understand him as a prospect. Not every player has to be a great shooter and what Lonzo does is empower Lauri, Lavine to its full potential as a supporter. You tell me if the Bulls are doing well with a much improved shooter 35% White? The Bulls have great offensive weapons and what they need is a low usage guy that has elite vision.

This is part of the low buy interest I have.

IF AK can get Lonzo for a proverbial bag of chips to trial him out during this season of roster evaluation you 100% do it...

If he doesn't work out don't match any offers he gets during Free Agency.

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[cjbulls]

But he's always been like this. He never can shoot, he never gets all that many assists per 36, and he always has the worst net rating of any Pelicans starter. He's just a bad NBA player. OK maybe mediocre. A 9th man.

If you blame Lonzo for shooting, you just never understand him as a prospect. Not every player has to be a great shooter and what Lonzo does is empower Lauri, Lavine to its full potential as a supporter. You tell me if the Bulls are doing well with a much improved shooter 35% White? The Bulls have great offensive weapons and what they need is a low usage guy that has elite vision.

This is part of the low buy interest I have.

IF AK can get Lonzo for a proverbial bag of chips to trial him out during this season of roster evaluation you 100% do it...

If he doesn't work out don't match any offers he gets during Free Agency.

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Exactly. The Bulls have a PG problem. Lonzo is probably not the answer. But the options are limited next offseason and Lonzo is basically just a try before you buy option. Why not bring him in for a look if it only means getting rid of something you weren’t keeping long term anyways (Sato or Hutch)?

People are strange here. But I learned from the LaMelo stuff that people have an irrational hatred for the Ball family. And shooters with bad form. Eh, I take that back. No one was very mad at Joakim for pulling out the six shooters when launching from the elbow.