Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - No Politics

[thonnisbeastley]

Trade Brook for Bjelica and Whiteside. This trade frees up payroll to extend Portis' contract and add two useful bigs to replace Brook. Whiteside replaces Brook's defensive role in the post and Bjelica is a decent stretch 4.

Should've signed Whiteside this offseason.

Brook/DDV/DJW/2nd for Vucevic.

[giannis and 1]

I'm a big old dummy, but my dream trade right now is Middleton + DDV for Lillard + Trent.

Take out Trent, throw in the rookies, and whatever 2nd rounders we have left, and it still isn't close.

[crowhead76]

Any chance Fournier gets bought out this year? The Magic have been hurt bad by injury and the core of their team is young. I could see the Celtics making a move for Vucevic with their trade exception and the Magic tanking. Fournier would not fit in their future plans and a buyout may be in the cards. There is a chance they trade him but at 17 mil it will have to be the right situation.

[WRau1]

Dipo is looking good in Houston FWIW. Their D is way better since he replaced Harden. He's also averaging 5.4 APG in his first 7 games. Both are qualities we can use. Bucks can't afford defensive liabilities against all these superteams. We also need everyone to pass the ball since Jrue/Midds/Giannis can all be PGs but none is a pure PG. Adding Dipo in the mix makes both our perimeter defense and ball movement better. Dipo can also be another scoring threat we badly need. His shooting is average at the moment in Houston at 40/34/73, but it can be better in Milwaukee at lower volume with better looks.

Brook + Augustin + Connaughton + Wilson + 2021/2023 FRPs + 2nds
for
Dipo + min vets (Cousins, Hassan, buyout guys etc) + 2022 FRP

is what I'm looking for in total from Horst till the deadline. This plan will also help the ownership avoid the tax, which will be crucial with Jrue's and Dipo's extensions kicking in along with Giannis' supermax.

Jrue..........DDV.........Merrill
Dipo..........Forbes.....Nwora
Midds.........xxx.........Thanasis
Giannis.......xxx.........Craig
Portis ........xxx..........xxx

That's a great 7 man rotation. I guess it won't be too difficult to add 2-3 serviceable vets to round up that roster.

HOU isn't taking on a bunch of dead salary just for a few late picks. You'll have to add another team to take Lopez and send more assets to HOU. DDV would most likely need to be included.

I didn't propose this as one trade, but as the total outcome for Milwaukee till the deadline. Obviously more teams than Houston will need to be involved.

Houston is a good trade partner for us since they are entering a rebuilding and they are the only team that can free us an extra 1st to trade (2021 and 2023 FRPs for our 2022 FRP back) without making it too complicated. Dipo will be the best player available Bucks can get with their limited assets. It just makes sense. The fit is not ideal, but it can definitely work and it comes at low cost. I could be wrong but I don't see a bigger market for Dipo than an expiring and a non lottery 1st. Houston can ship Brook to a 3rd team and get some extra value. You start from there.

The rest is using some SRPs to flip Pat and the DJs into serviceable min guys to get some help and avoid the tax. Assuming Jrue signs that extension in late February and Dipo is on board to resign in summer Bucks will have to pay 130+ mil to their Big 4 alone. That's a huge tax bill for the next 4 years, which makes it essential to avoid the tax this season in this plan.

PatC and DJA are negative assets, especially PatC. We don't have the assets to attach to them to dump unless it's for a bigger, just as bad contract. We should especially not attach them to anything remotely considered a positive asset if we're looking for an actual rotation player.

[giannis and 1]

HOU isn't taking on a bunch of dead salary just for a few late picks. You'll have to add another team to take Lopez and send more assets to HOU. DDV would most likely need to be included.

I didn't propose this as one trade, but as the total outcome for Milwaukee till the deadline. Obviously more teams than Houston will need to be involved.

Houston is a good trade partner for us since they are entering a rebuilding and they are the only team that can free us an extra 1st to trade (2021 and 2023 FRPs for our 2022 FRP back) without making it too complicated. Dipo will be the best player available Bucks can get with their limited assets. It just makes sense. The fit is not ideal, but it can definitely work and it comes at low cost. I could be wrong but I don't see a bigger market for Dipo than an expiring and a non lottery 1st. Houston can ship Brook to a 3rd team and get some extra value. You start from there.

The rest is using some SRPs to flip Pat and the DJs into serviceable min guys to get some help and avoid the tax. Assuming Jrue signs that extension in late February and Dipo is on board to resign in summer Bucks will have to pay 130+ mil to their Big 4 alone. That's a huge tax bill for the next 4 years, which makes it essential to avoid the tax this season in this plan.

PatC and DJA are negative assets, especially PatC. We don't have the assets to attach to them to dump unless it's for a bigger, just as bad contract. We should especially not attach them to anything remotely considered a positive asset if we're looking for an actual rotation player.

Based on Pat's improved shooting, I think he has positive value around the league.

[skones]

Any chance Fournier gets bought out this year? The Magic have been hurt bad by injury and the core of their team is young. I could see the Celtics making a move for Vucevic with their trade exception and the Magic tanking. Fournier would not fit in their future plans and a buyout may be in the cards. There is a chance they trade him but at 17 mil it will have to be the right situation.

This is John Hammond we're talking about. Fournier is 28. They paid Vuc a ton of money at the same age.

[giannis and 1]

Pat, DJW, 2022 2nd, 2023 2nd, 2024 2nd

for

Boogie+House

[buckbeer]

Trade Brook for Bjelica and Whiteside. This trade frees up payroll to extend Portis' contract and add two useful bigs to replace Brook. Whiteside replaces Brook's defensive role in the post and Bjelica is a decent stretch 4.

Should've signed Whiteside this offseason.

Brook/DDV/DJW/2nd for Vucevic.

Doubt Hammond will trade Vucevic when he is their best player and still has 2 yrs remaining in his contract after this season at a cheap price.

With Fultz out for the season, Hammond may want Augustin back to run the PG. What about trade Augustin/Brook/Wilson for Fournier (expiring contract) and Mo Bamba. Keep Portis to be the starting center this season and for the next few seasons.

[thonnisbeastley]

I didn't propose this as one trade, but as the total outcome for Milwaukee till the deadline. Obviously more teams than Houston will need to be involved.

Houston is a good trade partner for us since they are entering a rebuilding and they are the only team that can free us an extra 1st to trade (2021 and 2023 FRPs for our 2022 FRP back) without making it too complicated. Dipo will be the best player available Bucks can get with their limited assets. It just makes sense. The fit is not ideal, but it can definitely work and it comes at low cost. I could be wrong but I don't see a bigger market for Dipo than an expiring and a non lottery 1st. Houston can ship Brook to a 3rd team and get some extra value. You start from there.

The rest is using some SRPs to flip Pat and the DJs into serviceable min guys to get some help and avoid the tax. Assuming Jrue signs that extension in late February and Dipo is on board to resign in summer Bucks will have to pay 130+ mil to their Big 4 alone. That's a huge tax bill for the next 4 years, which makes it essential to avoid the tax this season in this plan.

PatC and DJA are negative assets, especially PatC. We don't have the assets to attach to them to dump unless it's for a bigger, just as bad contract. We should especially not attach them to anything remotely considered a positive asset if we're looking for an actual rotation player.

Based on Pat's improved shooting, I think he has positive value around the league.

Maybe someone like Hammond could be fooled into thinking that is true. 17 games vs. 3 years of 33-35% is kind of an outlier. His improved 3's thus far don't really outweigh every other aspect of his game which is below average. "Rebounds well for size, shoots well, very hard working, hustle player who gives it his all, good locker room guy." I guess Bud has been fooled into thinking he belongs in the top 7 of a championship aspiring team, so someone else might want him. Don't think we'd get much back for him though.

[giannis and 1]

PatC and DJA are negative assets, especially PatC. We don't have the assets to attach to them to dump unless it's for a bigger, just as bad contract. We should especially not attach them to anything remotely considered a positive asset if we're looking for an actual rotation player.

Based on Pat's improved shooting, I think he has positive value around the league.

Maybe someone like Hammond could be fooled into thinking that is true. 17 games vs. 3 years of 33-35% is kind of an outlier. His improved 3's thus far don't really outweigh every other aspect of his game which is below average. "Rebounds well for size, shoots well, very hard working, hustle player who gives it his all, good locker room guy." I guess Bud has been fooled into thinking he belongs in the top 7 of a championship aspiring team, so someone else might want him. Don't think we'd get much back for him though.

I don't think he's that valuable, but he brings some characteristics that get overvalued around the league.

[thonnisbeastley]

Trade Brook for Bjelica and Whiteside. This trade frees up payroll to extend Portis' contract and add two useful bigs to replace Brook. Whiteside replaces Brook's defensive role in the post and Bjelica is a decent stretch 4.

Should've signed Whiteside this offseason.

Brook/DDV/DJW/2nd for Vucevic.

Doubt Hammond will trade Vucevic when he is their best player and still has 2 yrs remaining in his contract after this season at a cheap price.

With Fultz out for the season, Hammond may want Augustin back to run the PG. What about trade Augustin/Brook/Wilson for Fournier (expiring contract) and Mo Bamba. Keep Portis to be the starting center this season and for the next few seasons.

Yeah, I doubt it. It is Hammond we're talking about though. He might be enamored with DDV like some on this board are. Could see him as a cheap Fournier replacement w/ upside while retaining a big man that could serve as a decent enough replacement.

I'd trade that combo, but for Ross/Birch/Bamba.

[thonnisbeastley]

Based on Pat's improved shooting, I think he has positive value around the league.

Maybe someone like Hammond could be fooled into thinking that is true. 17 games vs. 3 years of 33-35% is kind of an outlier. His improved 3's thus far don't really outweigh every other aspect of his game which is below average. "Rebounds well for size, shoots well, very hard working, hustle player who gives it his all, good locker room guy." I guess Bud has been fooled into thinking he belongs in the top 7 of a championship aspiring team, so someone else might want him. Don't think we'd get much back for him though.

I don't think he's that valuable, but he brings some characteristics that get overvalued around the league.

True that.

[WRau1]

Vucevic is probably the caliber of player that is realistically attainable but we still lack the assets to get. If ORL would take every positive trade chip we have (Lopez, DDV, Wilson, Nwora, Merrill, pick) I'd do it in a second.

[wallus]

MIL: Ross and Bamba

ORL: Brook, DJW, Pat

[DrWood]

PatC and DJA are negative assets, especially PatC. We don't have the assets to attach to them to dump unless it's for a bigger, just as bad contract. We should especially not attach them to anything remotely considered a positive asset if we're looking for an actual rotation player.

That's absurd. You could argue he's overpaid, but he's no worse than tied (with Portis) for the 4th best player on the team so far this year.

[skones]

PatC and DJA are negative assets, especially PatC. We don't have the assets to attach to them to dump unless it's for a bigger, just as bad contract. We should especially not attach them to anything remotely considered a positive asset if we're looking for an actual rotation player.

That's absurd. You could argue he's overpaid, but he's no worse than tied (with Portis) for the 4th best player on the team so far this year.

And the context of our roster makes him worth 3 years 16 million pumping up his value to positive? That's not how it works. He's absolutely a negative asset. I don't see how it's debatable.

Sent from my SM-N986U1 using RealGM mobile app

[ShootingtheJ]

PatC and DJA are negative assets, especially PatC. We don't have the assets to attach to them to dump unless it's for a bigger, just as bad contract. We should especially not attach them to anything remotely considered a positive asset if we're looking for an actual rotation player.

Based on Pat's improved shooting, I think he has positive value around the league.

Maybe someone like Hammond could be fooled into thinking that is true. 17 games vs. 3 years of 33-35% is kind of an outlier. His improved 3's thus far don't really outweigh every other aspect of his game which is below average. "Rebounds well for size, shoots well, very hard working, hustle player who gives it his all, good locker room guy." I guess Bud has been fooled into thinking he belongs in the top 7 of a championship aspiring team, so someone else might want him. Don't think we'd get much back for him though.

Patty C has been statistically valuable even before his improved 3 point shooting.

[Jez2983]

One always has to remember Jennings was traded for Knight and Middleton, and Monroe was traded for Bledsoe. There's trades out there for our crap if we're clever.

[coolhandluke121]

PatC and DJA are negative assets, especially PatC. We don't have the assets to attach to them to dump unless it's for a bigger, just as bad contract. We should especially not attach them to anything remotely considered a positive asset if we're looking for an actual rotation player.

Based on Pat's improved shooting, I think he has positive value around the league.

He'll have to sustain it a little longer, but I absolutely agree. I played devil's advocate for the contract all along because I felt he had the potential to shoot the 3 much better this year. His form is terrific and it's not unusual for someone his age to make a leap in that department. If he sustains it until the deadline, he's got positive value. If he sustains it all year, he's a huge asset.

It's becoming a bit of a social fad to see who can diss him harder regardless of whether he's actually performing. I'll grant that he's a bad player if he's not hitting his 3's, but that's true of literally hundreds of perimeter players around the league, including many who make more money than Pat and are still considered assets. His RPM is actually very good for his contract, although it won't be if he goes back to hitting 35% of his 3's.

Pat's contract is also the only reason they were able to operate this far over the cap and have this salary slot available for a trade because they had his Early Bird rights. People should be glad the Bucks were willing to raise the payroll that much. I'm keeping him for now and betting on his improved stroke.

[skones]

He'll have to sustain it a little longer, but I absolutely agree. I played devil's advocate for the contract all along because I felt he had the potential to shoot the 3 much better this year. His form is terrific and it's not unusual for someone his age to make a leap in that department. If he sustains it until the deadline, he's got positive value. If he sustains it all year, he's a huge asset.

It's becoming a bit of a social fad to see who can diss him harder regardless of whether he's actually performing. I'll grant that he's a bad player if he's not hitting his 3's, but that's true of literally hundreds of perimeter players around the league, including many who make more money than Pat and are still considered assets. His RPM is actually very good for his contract, although it won't be if he goes back to hitting 35% of his 3's.

Pat's contract is also the only reason they were able to operate this far over the cap and have this salary slot available for a trade because they had his Early Bird rights. People should be glad the Bucks were willing to raise the payroll that much. I'm keeping him for now and betting on his improved stroke.

The problem is that Pat has had stretches like this before only to take precipitous drops later on. There is no "devils advocate" for the contract because even if Connaughton does outplay it, there's no real excuse for being bent over a barrel by his agent at the time of signing. We gave him far more than he was worth and his current play doesn't change that. If you think he's going to outplay his current value, you use that to your advantage and create a value deal for your situation. You don't pay him more and hope he lives up to it. That's nonsensical. If you're making a deal for the purpose of a salary slot you CERTAINLY don't give him a third year, and you CERTAINLY don't give him a PO.

Oct 17 48.4%
Nov 17 40.0%
Feb 18 40.0%
Mar 19 41.4%
Feb 20 50.0%

So when you say, "he'll have to sustain it for a little longer," I think it's more for the entirety of the season.