Klomp wrote:_AIJ_ wrote:Start Jmac at PF! He is raw but he can defend and score. He hustles a lot too!
A 5-foot-11 PF? That's taking Rosas ball to a new extreme.....
Umm. McDaniels?
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Klomp wrote:_AIJ_ wrote:Start Jmac at PF! He is raw but he can defend and score. He hustles a lot too!
A 5-foot-11 PF? That's taking Rosas ball to a new extreme.....
_AIJ_ wrote:Klomp wrote:_AIJ_ wrote:Start Jmac at PF! He is raw but he can defend and score. He hustles a lot too!
A 5-foot-11 PF? That's taking Rosas ball to a new extreme.....
Umm. McDaniels?
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
Jedzz wrote:MCD = McDaniels is possibly the best Wolves draft pick made since 2015. Everyone should adjust their beliefs accordingly. 25th pick looks like a steal in comparison to team's past lotto choices.
Jedzz wrote:MCD = McDaniels is possibly the best Wolves draft pick made since 2015. Everyone should adjust their beliefs accordingly. 25th pick looks like a steal in comparison to team's past lotto choices.
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
Klomp wrote:Russell / Beasley / Edwards / McDaniels / Towns
Rubio / Nowell / Layman / Vanderbilt / Reid
Start shopping Culver, Okogie and even Rubio to try to recoup some draft capital.
Dewey wrote:Klomp wrote:Russell / Beasley / Edwards / McDaniels / Towns
Rubio / Nowell / Layman / Vanderbilt / Reid
Start shopping Culver, Okogie and even Rubio to try to recoup some draft capital.
Agree but can't forget about the little fella ... McL.
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
Sugarless wrote:
- 4th worst defending shots near the rim, with a 74.5 DFG% (J-Mac is the worst at 88.9, Rubio's 3rd best a 56.5, only behind the much bigger and longer Naz Reid and Jaden McDaniels).
Sugarless wrote:
But hey, why should anyone expect Wolves fans to value defense and effort, after all? It's not like they value smart players, team-first mentality or... winning, really.
Good post. cropping quote only to save page space.wolfen wrote:Thinking about things on a per-36 basis as to why:
Jedzz wrote:Sugarless wrote:
- 4th worst defending shots near the rim, with a 74.5 DFG% (J-Mac is the worst at 88.9, Rubio's 3rd best a 56.5, only behind the much bigger and longer Naz Reid and Jaden McDaniels).
I would love it if you could find me an example of all the times these guards like Rubio have been stopping shots "near the rim". Are we talking within 3 ft or 6 ft? Would like to know how many examples it's based off of? Like two or five Near the rim I can't think of one memory of Rubio doing so. It's got to be based of something, but what? He chased down a couple fast breaks or something?
On the offensive end, JMac also finishes near the rim like a big like not many guards can. I've always thought a good coach could help him be a defender around the rim on the other end. I think he would be great at timing leaps to tap balls away without fouling, like RoCo used to here. But this would take coach prodding and time on the court over time. One of the very few things I could see him still needing developing towards. When he's left alone to stop a single large player going at the rim he wisely but sadly doesn't bother much right now. I've seen this happen when he fights around a pick to stay infront of his ballhandler and forces a kick back to a following opponent who's going to finish at the net. I'm usually left wondering why he's the only one there standing under the basket. Everyone else cleared out. He steps aside rather than be squashed.
Jedzz wrote:Sugarless wrote:
But hey, why should anyone expect Wolves fans to value defense and effort, after all? It's not like they value smart players, team-first mentality or... winning, really.
The problem with Rubio and Okogie right now is they have gone too far south on the offensive end. The team ends up literally 4 on 5 every possession on the offensive end. If they are ever together or with another weak offensive player it's now 3 on 5.
They have to find a way to shoot better than in the teens, and stop missing open layups. I saw Ricky drive in another in the last game and he shifted left of rim which gave him a clear run at the layup. How does someone like him miss this? Lack of focus in the final second? Concerned about how he will stop his momentum going out of bounds? What is it? He aptly put himself in position to finish clean but can't finish. He had just missed a short floater a possession or two prior. I don't even know why he didn't pass, maybe trying to get something going for himself. But it's ugly man. I'm not a Rubio hater but it's just been super ugly.
Sugarless wrote:Jedzz wrote:Sugarless wrote:
- 4th worst defending shots near the rim, with a 74.5 DFG% (J-Mac is the worst at 88.9, Rubio's 3rd best a 56.5, only behind the much bigger and longer Naz Reid and Jaden McDaniels).
I would love it if you could find me an example of all the times these guards like Rubio have been stopping shots "near the rim". Are we talking within 3 ft or 6 ft? Would like to know how many examples it's based off of? Like two or five Near the rim I can't think of one memory of Rubio doing so. It's got to be based of something, but what? He chased down a couple fast breaks or something?
There are lots of instances where a guard will end up defending a shot near the rim, whether that's on transition, after an offensive rebound, when the player he's defending drives to the rim or when he helps inside. If you want numbers, Russell -being the one that plays the most minutes- has already defended 47 such attempts this year. Another 6'4'' guard like Beasley sits at 55 (tied for 3rd on the team, which is yet another indication of how dumb it is to play such small lineups).
Dewey wrote:Jedzz wrote:Sugarless wrote:
But hey, why should anyone expect Wolves fans to value defense and effort, after all? It's not like they value smart players, team-first mentality or... winning, really.
The problem with Rubio and Okogie right now is they have gone too far south on the offensive end. The team ends up literally 4 on 5 every possession on the offensive end. If they are ever together or with another weak offensive player it's now 3 on 5.
They have to find a way to shoot better than in the teens, and stop missing open layups. I saw Ricky drive in another in the last game and he shifted left of rim which gave him a clear run at the layup. How does someone like him miss this? Lack of focus in the final second? Concerned about how he will stop his momentum going out of bounds? What is it? He aptly put himself in position to finish clean but can't finish. He had just missed a short floater a possession or two prior. I don't even know why he didn't pass, maybe trying to get something going for himself. But it's ugly man. I'm not a Rubio hater but it's just been super ugly.
It is odd to say the least ... we need gamers and those kinds of misses are simply deflating.
I agree on the shooting too, but when defenders are cheating on Beasley and DLo, they need to take their cuts or drive. They just dont make their defenders work and allow them to cover out ... then too often settle for some random stepback-3. To their defense, our offense does tend to favor teammates standing in the corners, so the opportunities to hit a cutter backdoor seems unnatural.
Sugarless wrote:Dewey wrote:Jedzz wrote:The problem with Rubio and Okogie right now is they have gone too far south on the offensive end. The team ends up literally 4 on 5 every possession on the offensive end. If they are ever together or with another weak offensive player it's now 3 on 5.
They have to find a way to shoot better than in the teens, and stop missing open layups. I saw Ricky drive in another in the last game and he shifted left of rim which gave him a clear run at the layup. How does someone like him miss this? Lack of focus in the final second? Concerned about how he will stop his momentum going out of bounds? What is it? He aptly put himself in position to finish clean but can't finish. He had just missed a short floater a possession or two prior. I don't even know why he didn't pass, maybe trying to get something going for himself. But it's ugly man. I'm not a Rubio hater but it's just been super ugly.
It is odd to say the least ... we need gamers and those kinds of misses are simply deflating.
I agree on the shooting too, but when defenders are cheating on Beasley and DLo, they need to take their cuts or drive. They just dont make their defenders work and allow them to cover out ... then too often settle for some random stepback-3. To their defense, our offense does tend to favor teammates standing in the corners, so the opportunities to hit a cutter backdoor seems unnatural.
It is easier to fix the offense than the defense. You can find workarounds on offense even if you have 2 or 3 guys that can't shoot the ball. The Jazz did it with Rubio at PG, Favors at PF and Gobert at C. They only had Mitchell (not a great shooter, but a good shot creator) and either Ingles (who's a really good shooter, but a reluctant one that usually won't take a shot unless it's wide open) or Royce O'Neale (mostly a non-shooter back then, he's getting a bit more comfortable every year). Rubio's best years as a scorer came with the Jazz and with the Suns, as recently as last season. But having no system in place, seeing players occupy each others' space and having them stand around instead of sorting through screens or cutting to the rim won't help guys like Rubio or Okogie when they need to score. You have to put them in the best position to succeed (or a good one, at least), and the coaching staff is failing miserably at that, if they're even trying. It's no wonder Ricky's back to his worst numbers within 3 feet, similar to what he posted during his worst years in Minnesota, and that his mid-range game (which has been pretty decent for years, even during his 1st Timberwolves stint) has fallen off a cliff as well.
This offense really needs to change for the sake of the franchise and for the mental health of those who watch the games, cause it's terrifying right now.
PS: By the way, it's not just Rubio missing shots around the rim, though he's the worst on the team at 37.5% from less than 5 ft from the basket. McDaniels is at 40%. Ed Davis: 40%. Edwards: 47%. McLaughlin: 52.6%. Juancho: 53.6%. Beasley: 54.1%. You can't have so many guys with such low figures from close range.
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