Tank World Order

[VanWest82]

Yes, it really hurt Durant, Westbrook and Harden’s growth when they came to a team that won 20 wins every year.

Good players along with good development develop.

It’s bad management and those same managements picking mediocre players causing the cycle of mediocrity.

Consider that they had three future MVPs on the same team (has that ever happened??) plus Ibaka and still didn't win a title.

Durant didn't win a title until he went to a team with a better culture and system, and started playing the right way.

Harden and Westbrook have never played the right way which is a big reason why they've frequently struggled in the playoffs.

All that OKC proved is you can have the best drafting luck in the history of the NBA and you still won't win the title if you bring those kids into a culture and system that teaches them losing habits, something that's impossible to avoid if you're a losing, tanking team. Credit to them individually for figuring some things out and growing into what they became but surely all three left some potential on the table after developing all those bad, losing habits.

[Steelo Green]

Yes, it really hurt Durant, Westbrook and Harden’s growth when they came to a team that won 20 wins every year.

Good players along with good development develop.

It’s bad management and those same managements picking mediocre players causing the cycle of mediocrity.

Consider that they had three future MVPs on the same team (has that ever happened??) plus Ibaka and still didn't win a title.

Durant didn't win a title until he went to a team with a better culture and system, and started playing the right way.

Harden and Westbrook have never played the right way which is a big reason why they've frequently struggled in the playoffs.

All that OKC proved is you can have the best drafting luck in the history of the NBA and still won't win the title if you bring those kids into a culture and system that teaches them losing habits, something that's impossible to avoid when you're on a losing team. Credit to them individually for figuring some things out and growing into what they became but surely all three left some potential on the table coming into that losing situation and developing all those bad habits.

The OKC Thunder didn’t sign Harden when he was about to blow up and would have won multiple titles. Bad ownership.

They did everything right.

Anyone who thinks that they did some bad job or their lack of a title is some indictment is just puffing their chest at our exception of the exception title.

Again - great move in getting Kawhi of course, but they built a sustained contender and management dropped the ball.

What bad habits? They faced Lebron in the finals on the come up and Harden left and WB and Durant though great just weren’t enough to beat another all time great team in the Warriors.

You’re acting like you wouldn’t take exactly what the Thunder had because they didn’t win. Winning can be a combination of a million variables but didn’t take away what they created.

I would take what the Thunder did in a heartbeat. If ownership was smart, they would have paid Harden and we would be having different discussions but mistakes were made.

[KL78192020]

Yes, it really hurt Durant, Westbrook and Harden’s growth when they came to a team that won 20 wins every year.

Good players along with good development develop.

It’s bad management and those same managements picking mediocre players causing the cycle of mediocrity.

Consider that they had three future MVPs on the same team (has that ever happened??) plus Ibaka and still didn't win a title.

Durant didn't win a title until he went to a team with a better culture and system, and started playing the right way.

Harden and Westbrook have never played the right way which is a big reason why they've frequently struggled in the playoffs.

All that OKC proved is you can have the best drafting luck in the history of the NBA and you still won't win the title if you bring those kids into a culture and system that teaches them losing habits, something that's impossible to avoid if you're a losing, tanking team. Credit to them individually for figuring some things out and growing into what they became but surely all three left some potential on the table after developing all those bad, losing habits.

That's a bit disingenuous. Harden of 2012 was nowhere near the player he is today. Its like saying the Raptors had Tracy McGrady and didn't go to the finals. McGrady like Harden was on his rookie deal and was in his very early stages of development.

If the OKC owner wasn't so cheap they consistently make the finals.

[VanWest82]

What bad habits?

For real??

[Pooh_Jeter]

Anti-tankers will talk about how pro tankers are "championship or bust" and lack patience or nuance. This is patently false, yet in the same breath they will denigrate any team with a good young core as a failure if they didn't win a championship.

You can't have it both ways.

[Steelo Green]

What bad habits?

For real??

I don’t get it? Strip clubs?

I could just as well say our team has a woman abuser (if proven) and it has bad habits within the team as well.

Still don’t know about Griffin either.

Again those are yet to be proven but if true what does it say about our habits and culture?

Kyle has a misdemeanour assault on a female ref.

Going to strip clubs didn’t take away from an MVP, Durant’s burners or whatever and he has one too and two finals MVP (albeit cheap but over another great in Steph), and WB also has an MVP.

Way too much being made for considering three players all have MVPs, one with a title, and another may also have a title. All three all hall of famers.

We act like Kyle is some easy guy to deal with and didn’t do things like was willing to hold out if he didn’t get his money or went on national TV and ripped management for trading Demar.

Or do we choose which bad habits are bad habits?

[720]

So many fellow mediocre teams playing today. Knicks, Bulls, Mavs, Heat, Pels. Good day to scoreboard watch.

[Syd-TK3]

Washington hopefully can get on track.
Heat are looking terrible even with Jimmy but they have no pick so they can't tank which means they'll be competitive all year and maybe make a trade

[720]

Washington hopefully can get on track.
Heat are looking terrible even with Jimmy but they have no pick so they can't tank which means they'll be competitive all year and maybe make a trade

Great day for the tank, Knicks, Wizards, Thunder, Mavs, all win. Minny looking like they'll win too.

[Inevitable]

If we lose Friday we are tied in the L column with the Wizards lol

[720]

Washington hopefully can get on track.
Heat are looking terrible even with Jimmy but they have no pick so they can't tank which means they'll be competitive all year and maybe make a trade

Great day for the tank, Knicks, Wizards, Thunder, Mavs, all win. Minny looking like they'll win too.

Jinxed it, bum ass Timberwolves found a way to lose.

[KrazyP]

Yes, it really hurt Durant, Westbrook and Harden’s growth when they came to a team that won 20 wins every year.

Constantly referencing OKC as a "hey everybody, tanking works" example is disingeneous. The probability of tanking and landing 3 players like that back-to-back is like one in a million. Instead of talking about outliers, tank nation should start thinking in terms of averages and probabilities.

[KL78192020]

Yes, it really hurt Durant, Westbrook and Harden’s growth when they came to a team that won 20 wins every year.

Constantly referencing OKC as a "hey everybody, tanking works" example is disingeneous. The probability of tanking and landing 3 players like that back-to-back is like one in a million. Instead of talking about outliers, tank nation should start thinking in terms of averages and probabilities.

So the probability of the Raptors trading for another Kawhi is also 1 in 25 years. Pretty bad odds.

[Machiavillain]

Anti-tankers will talk about how pro tankers are "championship or bust" and lack patience or nuance. This is patently false, yet in the same breath they will denigrate any team with a good young core as a failure if they didn't win a championship.

You can't have it both ways.

Yeah, I don't think it's fair to say pro tankers are "championship or bust". Being mediocre is fine for a pro-tanker, in fact often times it's preferred. The only contingency is that there is a star on the team with a lot of hype and preferably picked as high as possible in the draft. The illusion of one-day being a contender by virtue of having a star on the team switches on the "patience" light and the team can cap out as a 45 win treadmiller and all will be gravy. The point is you must tank until you get a big star, then see what happens.

To a pro-tanker, mediocre team with a star >>>>>>>>>> really good team without a star

Pro-tankers are some of the biggest treadmillers in the world, but they never get credit for it. If you have at least one player on the team with a 90+ 2K rating, you have a license to treadmill. Give the pro-tankers proper due respect for this imo.

[KrazyP]

Yes, it really hurt Durant, Westbrook and Harden’s growth when they came to a team that won 20 wins every year.

Constantly referencing OKC as a "hey everybody, tanking works" example is disingeneous. The probability of tanking and landing 3 players like that back-to-back is like one in a million. Instead of talking about outliers, tank nation should start thinking in terms of averages and probabilities.

So the probability of the Raptors trading for another Kawhi is also 1 in 25 years. Pretty bad odds.

Neither scenario is likely but a rational person would probably realize building a solid team and trading for a star would have a higher probability of occurring than drafting 3 MVP types in back-to-back-to-back drafts.

[720]

Constantly referencing OKC as a "hey everybody, tanking works" example is disingeneous. The probability of tanking and landing 3 players like that back-to-back is like one in a million. Instead of talking about outliers, tank nation should start thinking in terms of averages and probabilities.

So the probability of the Raptors trading for another Kawhi is also 1 in 25 years. Pretty bad odds.

Neither scenario is likely but a rational person would probably realize building a solid team and trading for a star would have a higher probability of occurring than drafting 3 MVP types in back-to-back-to-back drafts.

How about we just draft one superstar? That’s more likely than trading for one like the Kawhi situation.

[Psubs]

Kings beat the Celtics! Woooooo

[Danny1616]

Anti-tankers will talk about how pro tankers are "championship or bust" and lack patience or nuance. This is patently false, yet in the same breath they will denigrate any team with a good young core as a failure if they didn't win a championship.

You can't have it both ways.

Yeah, I don't think it's fair to say pro tankers are "championship or bust". Being mediocre is fine for a pro-tanker, in fact often times it's preferred. The only contingency is that there is a star on the team with a lot of hype and preferably picked as high as possible in the draft. The illusion of one-day being a contender by virtue of having a star on the team switches on the "patience" light and the team can cap out as a 45 win treadmiller and all will be gravy. The point is you must tank until you get a big star, then see what happens.

To a pro-tanker, mediocre team with a star >>>>>>>>>> really good team without a star

Pro-tankers are some of the biggest treadmillers in the world, but they never get credit for it. If you have at least one player on the team with a 90+ 2K rating, you have a license to treadmill. Give the pro-tankers proper due respect for this imo.

Underrated take.

[Danny1616]

If we lose Friday we are tied in the L column with the Wizards lol

And if we win we are 1 game behind Atlanta and 2 games behind Boston and Indiana for the 4th seed.

[scirocco53]

The team, as currently constructed isn't bad enough to not win games. The current players have pride, and are not mailing the season in. The team is too unselfish. We need to remove two or more of our starters (Baines excluded) through either trade or injury in order to not make the playoffs.