Political Roundtable Part XXIX

[Ruzious]

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No words. Some might say it's unbelievable when in fact, it's very believable.

Amazing that all of those officers couldn't handle a 9 year old girl who... didn't do anything.

[Zonkerbl]

Frustrated with Mancin. Dude wants to be bipartisan. Why? Give me an example of the McConnell led GOP senate behaving in good faith JUST ONCE SINCE 2008???

Bipartisanship is a trust-based game. The Clown party does not deserve to be trusted. The Clown party must earn trust. The best way for the Clown party to earn back trust is to apologize for its bad faith behavior over THE ENTIRE 21st CENTURY and beg forgiveness.

Otherwise, every opportunity you have to shut the Clown Party out of power you do it. Because that's what they've been doing for the last TWENTY YEARS. Starting with stealing a POTUS election in 2000. Hey if Trump gets to make up lies about his election being stolen, I get to tell the truth. Clown Party Caucus behavior over the past 20 years has been ATROCIOUS.

[verbal8]

Frustrated with Mancin. Dude wants to be bipartisan. Why? Give me an example of the McConnell led GOP senate behaving in good faith JUST ONCE SINCE 2008???

Bipartisanship is a trust-based game. The Clown party does not deserve to be trusted. The Clown party must earn trust. The best way for the Clown party to earn back trust is to apologize for its bad faith behavior over THE ENTIRE 21st CENTURY and beg forgiveness.

Otherwise, every opportunity you have to shut the Clown Party out of power you do it. Because that's what they've been doing for the last TWENTY YEARS. Starting with stealing a POTUS election in 2000. Hey if Trump gets to make up lies about his election being stolen, I get to tell the truth. Clown Party Caucus behavior over the past 20 years has been ATROCIOUS.

I think the way the Dems implement "Unity" is by demonstrating it within the Democratic party. A party that includes AOC and Manchin, really should reach at some level most of the voters/people worth considering the opinions of. At times I think it is worth taking input from Murkowski, Collins or even Romney at some point. However Mitch should be ignored they way he ignored Schumer for a decade.

In the House, the 10 GOP members voting for Impeachment - might present opportunities for "Unity" but McCarthy is a leader in name only.

[pancakes3]

CRT in action in California. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/california-ethnic-studies-curriculum#authornote

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if you have a point, you're free to make it at any time.

[Zonkerbl]

Frustrated with Mancin. Dude wants to be bipartisan. Why? Give me an example of the McConnell led GOP senate behaving in good faith JUST ONCE SINCE 2008???

Bipartisanship is a trust-based game. The Clown party does not deserve to be trusted. The Clown party must earn trust. The best way for the Clown party to earn back trust is to apologize for its bad faith behavior over THE ENTIRE 21st CENTURY and beg forgiveness.

Otherwise, every opportunity you have to shut the Clown Party out of power you do it. Because that's what they've been doing for the last TWENTY YEARS. Starting with stealing a POTUS election in 2000. Hey if Trump gets to make up lies about his election being stolen, I get to tell the truth. Clown Party Caucus behavior over the past 20 years has been ATROCIOUS.

I think the way the Dems implement "Unity" is by demonstrating it within the Democratic party. A party that includes AOC and Manchin, really should reach at some level most of the voters/people worth considering the opinions of. At times I think it is worth taking input from Murkowski, Collins or even Romney at some point. However Mitch should be ignored they way he ignored Schumer for a decade.

In the House, the 10 GOP members voting for Impeachment - might present opportunities for "Unity" but McCarthy is a leader in name only.

Yeah. I think the definition of unity should be "policies that a large majority of Americans support." GOP wants to hop on the train, fine.

I'm also hoping that kicking Trump out of the bully pulpit of the POTUS and shutting down his social media should eventually start to drain fuel from the fire. Will be interesting to see what the outcome of the Marjorie Taylor Greene situation is, which may take a little time to play out. Does the Clown Party split? I was completely wrong about a split before - moderate Republicans could become super powerful. Those ten GOP republicans could say hey, you want to not have to worry about the filibuster? You talk to us. They could become the dealmakers. I think that was the strategy to have exactly ten of them go over and talk to Biden. I think they tipped their hand by making such an obviously bad faith offer, leaving out money to states and cities. It wasn't serious. But I think the purpose of that trip was to put the fear of God in Trump loyalists. Those ten senators could easily sideline all the other kooks in the Clown Caucus.

[Pointgod]

Some excellent examples of the law of merited impossibility being shared so thanks for that. "It will never happen, and when it does, you bigots will deserve it."

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So in your own words what is your issue with CRT? Instead of just posting click bait, context free articles explain in your own words what your problem is

[Pointgod]

Frustrated with Mancin. Dude wants to be bipartisan. Why? Give me an example of the McConnell led GOP senate behaving in good faith JUST ONCE SINCE 2008???

Bipartisanship is a trust-based game. The Clown party does not deserve to be trusted. The Clown party must earn trust. The best way for the Clown party to earn back trust is to apologize for its bad faith behavior over THE ENTIRE 21st CENTURY and beg forgiveness.

Otherwise, every opportunity you have to shut the Clown Party out of power you do it. Because that's what they've been doing for the last TWENTY YEARS. Starting with stealing a POTUS election in 2000. Hey if Trump gets to make up lies about his election being stolen, I get to tell the truth. Clown Party Caucus behavior over the past 20 years has been ATROCIOUS.

You ever worked for a company that had an owner who had done things the same way for decades? Dinosaur who’s stubborn, slow to adapt to change but is still successful because he’s in an industry that’s to their benefit? Well Joe Manchin makes that guy look like Elon Musk in comparison.

[dckingsfan]

White supremacists running rampant, 3500 people dying everyday due to Covid, wealth inequality spiraling out of control, millions of people unemployed. Sure, let's whine about cancel culture and critical race theory. What the **** lol?

Add to that, "We refuse any false choice between justice and freedom, which cannot exist without each other." should have been:
"We refuse any false choice between justice and freedom when truth is involved, all cannot exist without each other."

The problem is it doesn't go into the misinformation that was propagated under Trump and the overwhelmed any type of meaningful dialog.

[pancakes3]

CRT in action in California. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/california-ethnic-studies-curriculum#authornote

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if you have a point, you're free to make it at any time.

like, i get being annoyed at certain actions made in the name of CRT but that's not a critique of CRT as a theory. it's a critique of the dummies who are poorly deploying CRT.

[Benjammin]

CRT in action in California. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/california-ethnic-studies-curriculum#authornote

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if you have a point, you're free to make it at any time.

I believe I did. Sorry it bothers you ever so. CRT is not benign when extended beyond the point that there is systemic racism that should be addressed.

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[Benjammin]

The ACLU expressing a "scientific" view steeped in pseudo reality.

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[Benjammin]

Aww, that's cute that you are frustrated with Manchin. He's like every other politician who first is motivated by what benefits him and to a lesser extent benefits his constituents. So the Democratic party has to deal with him unless they want to ask him to change parties, run a strong opponent against him in a primary, or win more seats and make him less relevant.

Frustrated with Mancin. Dude wants to be bipartisan. Why? Give me an example of the McConnell led GOP senate behaving in good faith JUST ONCE SINCE 2008???

Bipartisanship is a trust-based game. The Clown party does not deserve to be trusted. The Clown party must earn trust. The best way for the Clown party to earn back trust is to apologize for its bad faith behavior over THE ENTIRE 21st CENTURY and beg forgiveness.

Otherwise, every opportunity you have to shut the Clown Party out of power you do it. Because that's what they've been doing for the last TWENTY YEARS. Starting with stealing a POTUS election in 2000. Hey if Trump gets to make up lies about his election being stolen, I get to tell the truth. Clown Party Caucus behavior over the past 20 years has been ATROCIOUS.

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[Fairview4Life]

CRT is not benign when extended beyond the point that there is systemic racism that should be addressed.

...expressing a "scientific" view steeped in pseudo reality.

[Fairview4Life]

Aww, that's cute that you are frustrated with Manchin. He's like every other politician who first is motivated by what benefits him and to a lesser extent benefits his constituents. So the Democratic party has to deal with him unless they want to ask him to change parties, run a strong opponent against him in a primary, or win more seats and make him less relevant.

Frustrated with Mancin. Dude wants to be bipartisan. Why? Give me an example of the McConnell led GOP senate behaving in good faith JUST ONCE SINCE 2008???

Bipartisanship is a trust-based game. The Clown party does not deserve to be trusted. The Clown party must earn trust. The best way for the Clown party to earn back trust is to apologize for its bad faith behavior over THE ENTIRE 21st CENTURY and beg forgiveness.

Otherwise, every opportunity you have to shut the Clown Party out of power you do it. Because that's what they've been doing for the last TWENTY YEARS. Starting with stealing a POTUS election in 2000. Hey if Trump gets to make up lies about his election being stolen, I get to tell the truth. Clown Party Caucus behavior over the past 20 years has been ATROCIOUS.

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...do you not understand that Joe Manchin can do a lot more for both himself and his constituents by being the deciding vote on every single piece of legislation in the senate as opposed to requiring the democrats convince 10 Republicans to vote for things? Keeping the filibuster means the democrats don't need to deal with Joe Manchin, they need to deal with Republicans who have no incentive to deal with them at all.

That said, Joe Manchin's words are just wind at this point. When the rubber hits the road and McConnell and his clown car of bad faith morons obstruct everything in order to try and win midterm elections as opposed to crafting any legislation, Manchin will more than likely cave on the filibuster.

Good conversation on the history of the current filibuster rules and why it is incredibly stupid: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/why-is-this-happening-with-chris-hayes/id1382983397?i=1000507416571

[Pointgod]

Some excellent examples of the law of merited impossibility being shared so thanks for that. "It will never happen, and when it does, you bigots will deserve it."

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So in your own words what is your issue with CRT? Instead of just posting click bait, context free articles explain in your own words what your problem is

Still waiting....

[Zonkerbl]

I was at Reed College when PCness was just starting out in the 1990s and there were people who took it too far. Statistically speaking it's inevitable, once you introduce an idea into a statistically large group of people there will be those whose, erm, interpretation of the theory is three or more standard deviations away from the mean.

I find it extraordinarily disingenuous to take those outliers and paint the whole movement with it. It happens on both sides of course - I'm sure the Dem national committee is drooling in anticipation of painting every single GOP candidate up and down the ticket with Marjorie Taylor Greene's whackiness, and I guess you know all's fair.

But the difference with MTG is there's no genuine, worthy policy theory that she is the extreme end of, and GOP isn't interested in censoring her. Yet here we have CRT, a legit and respectable theory finally doing a proper job of pushing back against the white supremacist perspective that has dominated not just academia but the entire zeitgeist of the country from slavery to the present, that is the target of a full fledged, full throated, unapologetic censorship campaign from the extremist right wing of the white supremacist movement. It's frankly unacceptable to just uncritically swallow all the BS about it, imho.

A movement that is so focused on censoring an idea critical of white supremacy should not be embraced under any circumstances. It is anti-American. I don't care how uncomfortable the ideas behind CRT make you feel or how annoying the statistical outliers are in their interpretation of it. I hate Nazis passionately and fully endorse punching them when they get in your face and spout nazi bs. But I still defend their right to say the stuff that I will subsequently punch them for. I am even more radically pro-expression than I am anti-Nazi. How would I know whom to punch? Best to let the festering pus of Nazism float to the surface where it can be excised with a good punch or two, then let it fester deep inside and turn into the War on Drugs or something like that. But the very, very last thing you should be involved in is a campaign to censor an idea you don't like. What are you, a Commie?

[Fairview4Life]

I mean, I was at Reed College when PCness was just starting out and there were people who took it too far. I mean statistically speaking it's inevitable, once you introduce an idea into a statistically large group of people there will be those whose, erm, interpretation of the theory is three or more standard deviations away from the mean.

I find it extraordinarily disingenuous to take those outliers and paint the whole movement with it. It happens on both sides of course - I'm sure the Dem national committee is drooling in anticipation of painting every single GOP candidate up and down the ticket with Marjorie Taylor Greene's whackiness, and I guess you know all's fair.

This has been going on for decades now.

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[Zonkerbl]

omg I'm so frickin funny

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[Fairview4Life]

That said, Joe Manchin's words are just wind at this point. When the rubber hits the road and McConnell and his clown car of bad faith morons obstruct everything in order to try and win midterm elections as opposed to crafting any legislation, Manchin will more than likely cave on the filibuster.

So in Manchin’s first test, he added an amendment to the Covid relief bill that requires wealthy people to not receive checks. But it doesn’t define wealthy and in fact leaves that up to the discretion of the chairman of the budget committee who is *checks notes* someone named Bernie Sanders? Manchin will perform for what he thinks his voters would like to see, and that also might mean sacrificing things like the for the people act, which would be a huge mistake, but on the whole he will be fine.

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