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Let's pretend we're untethered from traditional norms for a second and stretch some logic

What we could've done in the offseason:

Step 1: signed Fred VanVleet
Step 2: draft Haliburton at 8, Bane at 25, and Quick at 33
In a world where VanVleet wants to sign with us, I'll assume Quick is still there at 33
Step 3: Roll into the season with

VanVleet/Quick
Haliburton/Bane
RJ/Bullock
Randle/Knox
Mitch/Noel

Easily top 6 team in the East, maybe top 4. Fixes pretty much our biggest problems, that of playmaking, scoring, and shooting from the backcourt

I know there's no way we would have done this, especially since in this scenario we're drafting 3 guards after signing one to a big deal, but this is something that was possible to do, with the only question being if Quick makes it to 33, which I think there's a good chance he would have.

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Let's pretend we're untethered from traditional norms for a second and stretch some logic

What we could've done in the offseason:

Step 1: signed Fred VanVleet
Step 2: draft Haliburton at 8, Bane at 25, and Quick at 33
In a world where VanVleet wants to sign with us, I'll assume Quick is still there at 33
Step 3: Roll into the season with

VanVleet/Quick
Haliburton/Bane
RJ/Bullock
Randle/Knox
Mitch/Noel

Easily top 6 team in the East, maybe top 4. Fixes pretty much our biggest problems, that of playmaking, scoring, and shooting from the backcourt

I know there's no way we would have done this, especially since in this scenario we're drafting 3 guards after signing one to a big deal, but this is something that was possible to do, with the only question being if Quick makes it to 33, which I think there's a good chance he would have.

That team would not only be so much more fun to watch, but solidly in the playoff picture as well and with a higher upside.

I believe we could've gotten FVV for an overpay, although we don't know how far the Raptors were willing to go. Still, you don't miss out on opportunities to sign a proven winner who's still relatively young at your biggest position of need, especially when no major free agent is signing with us for the foreseeable future.

It's crazy how I'd trust a few people on message boards to run the team more than people getting paid millions of dollars for this job.

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Haliburton is so good. that's gonna go down as a big draft miss for the Knicks

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Eh. The Knicks are so overloaded with quality guards and wings they have no use for a guy like that.

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Let's pretend we're untethered from traditional norms for a second and stretch some logic

What we could've done in the offseason:

Step 1: signed Fred VanVleet
Step 2: draft Haliburton at 8, Bane at 25, and Quick at 33
In a world where VanVleet wants to sign with us, I'll assume Quick is still there at 33
Step 3: Roll into the season with

VanVleet/Quick
Haliburton/Bane
RJ/Bullock
Randle/Knox
Mitch/Noel

Easily top 6 team in the East, maybe top 4. Fixes pretty much our biggest problems, that of playmaking, scoring, and shooting from the backcourt

I know there's no way we would have done this, especially since in this scenario we're drafting 3 guards after signing one to a big deal, but this is something that was possible to do, with the only question being if Quick makes it to 33, which I think there's a good chance he would have.

That team would not only be so much more fun to watch, but solidly in the playoff picture as well and with a higher upside.

I believe we could've gotten FVV for an overpay, although we don't know how far the Raptors were willing to go. Still, you don't miss out on opportunities to sign a proven winner who's still relatively young at your biggest position of need, especially when no major free agent is signing with us for the foreseeable future.

It's crazy how I'd trust a few people on message boards to run the team more than people getting paid millions of dollars for this job.

Raps wouldn’t have overpaid cause they were in the Giannis sweepstakes at the time but I seriously think FVV only wanted to come here if we went past 26 mill or something

[thebuzzardman]

thanks for twisting the knife

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Let's pretend we're untethered from traditional norms for a second and stretch some logic

What we could've done in the offseason:

Step 1: signed Fred VanVleet
Step 2: draft Haliburton at 8, Bane at 25, and Quick at 33
In a world where VanVleet wants to sign with us, I'll assume Quick is still there at 33
Step 3: Roll into the season with

VanVleet/Quick
Haliburton/Bane
RJ/Bullock
Randle/Knox
Mitch/Noel

Easily top 6 team in the East, maybe top 4. Fixes pretty much our biggest problems, that of playmaking, scoring, and shooting from the backcourt

I know there's no way we would have done this, especially since in this scenario we're drafting 3 guards after signing one to a big deal, but this is something that was possible to do, with the only question being if Quick makes it to 33, which I think there's a good chance he would have.

Even if you go

Sign FVV
Draft Haliburton at 8
Draft IQ at 25
Knicks do their 2nd round pick trading bonanza and still trade 33 (or take whoever was left as project guard)

Still have:

VanVleet/Quick
Haliburton/Burks?
RJ/Bullock
Randle/Knox
Mitch/Noel

Still a playoff team

[3toheadmelo]

John wall doesn’t play = Rockets getting blown out. The true leader of that team.

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[DOT]

Even if you go

Sign FVV
Draft Haliburton at 8
Draft IQ at 25
Knicks do their 2nd round pick trading bonanza and still trade 33 (or take whoever was left as project guard)

Still have:

VanVleet/Quick
Haliburton/Burks?
RJ/Bullock
Randle/Knox
Mitch/Noel

Still a playoff team

Yeah, I'm just going for maximum value semi-realistically

But even though Haliburton isn't anything special, just really good, it's looking like taking Obi over him was a flop

Here's a comparison of Obi to Knox's rookie year, using per36 numbers:

Obi: 14/7/2 on 43/28/78 splits, .518 TS
Knox: 16/6/2 on 37/34/72 splits, .475 TS

Obi is more efficient and much better within the arc, but that's the problem. 46% of his shots are 3s when he's not a particularly good 3pt shooter, he's a finisher around the rim. So we're not playing to his strengths, but at the same time, he's really not good enough to demand his strengths be played to

I mean, yeah he's better than rookie Knox, but that's not really a high bar to clear, and he's older than current Knox. He's not the worst player in the league, but he's not particularly good

I would be giving him more leniency if he were a 19 year old, but he's almost 23. He's worse than guys almost 3 years younger than him, who should have a couple more years to develop

Just not a good pick for us.

[thebuzzardman]

Even if you go

Sign FVV
Draft Haliburton at 8
Draft IQ at 25
Knicks do their 2nd round pick trading bonanza and still trade 33 (or take whoever was left as project guard)

Still have:

VanVleet/Quick
Haliburton/Burks?
RJ/Bullock
Randle/Knox
Mitch/Noel

Still a playoff team

Yeah, I'm just going for maximum value semi-realistically

But even though Haliburton isn't anything special, just really good, it's looking like taking Obi over him was a flop

Here's a comparison of Obi to Knox's rookie year, using per36 numbers:

Obi: 14/7/2 on 43/28/78 splits, .518 TS
Knox: 16/6/2 on 37/34/72 splits, .475 TS

Obi is more efficient and much better within the arc, but that's the problem. 46% of his shots are 3s when he's not a particularly good 3pt shooter, he's a finisher around the rim. So we're not playing to his strengths, but at the same time, he's really not good enough to demand his strengths be played to

I mean, yeah he's better than rookie Knox, but that's not really a high bar to clear, and he's older than current Knox. He's not the worst player in the league, but he's not particularly good

I would be giving him more leniency if he were a 19 year old, but he's almost 23. He's worse than guys almost 3 years younger than him, who should have a couple more years to develop

Just not a good pick for us.

I think it was a bad pick because of his position, not how he's doing.

He's 23, but:
Did a year at prep school. In that year, he grew 4 inches and went from a non recruited PG to recruited "big"
Did a redshirt year due to academic ineligibility. Another year of "not playing college ball"
(There's an argument in here, both years, that at least he was playing bball, getting a year of some kind of practice in)
Then 2 years in college - just like Quickley

So, I'm willing to give him some slack when comparing to other 20 year olds.

But
Knicks guards and wings SUCKED going into the offseason, minus a very young RJ

Knicks address this by:
Signing Elf, Burks, Rivers, Bullocks (well, at least they are guards and wings)
Drafting Obi - big fail
Drafting Quickley - correct move
Trading 33 away. Whatever. Why not take a guard project? Because it jeopardizes the roster spot of DSJr, Iggy, Pinson...etc?

[3toheadmelo]

We definitely should’ve taken Haliburton over Obi. But I think if we did that, they wouldn’t have taken IQ. And I think IQ is better than Haliburton. So I guess it worked out for us... sorta.

[DOT]

I think it was a bad pick because of his position, not how he's doing.

He's 23, but:
Did a year at prep school. In that year, he grew 4 inches and went from a non recruited PG to recruited "big"
Did a redshirt year due to academic ineligibility. Another year of "not playing college ball"
(There's an argument in here, both years, that at least he was playing bball, getting a year of some kind of practice in)
Then 2 years in college - just like Quickley

So, I'm willing to give him some slack when comparing to other 20 year olds.

That kind of makes it worse imo

I mean, it's no real effect in the short term, but in the long term it's not good, cause it gives us less prime years before his athleticism starts dropping

His skills lagging behind his age isn't a good thing.

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Haliburton is so good. that's gonna go down as a big draft miss for the Knicks

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Eh. The Knicks are so overloaded with quality guards and wings they have no use for a guy like that.

I don’t think Clyde would have called him “Halle Berry. Berry berry niiiice.”

[dakomish23]

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Let's pretend we're untethered from traditional norms for a second and stretch some logic

What we could've done in the offseason:

Step 1: signed Fred VanVleet
Step 2: draft Haliburton at 8, Bane at 25, and Quick at 33
In a world where VanVleet wants to sign with us, I'll assume Quick is still there at 33
Step 3: Roll into the season with

VanVleet/Quick
Haliburton/Bane
RJ/Bullock
Randle/Knox
Mitch/Noel

Easily top 6 team in the East, maybe top 4. Fixes pretty much our biggest problems, that of playmaking, scoring, and shooting from the backcourt

I know there's no way we would have done this, especially since in this scenario we're drafting 3 guards after signing one to a big deal, but this is something that was possible to do, with the only question being if Quick makes it to 33, which I think there's a good chance he would have.

That team would not only be so much more fun to watch, but solidly in the playoff picture as well and with a higher upside.

I believe we could've gotten FVV for an overpay, although we don't know how far the Raptors were willing to go. Still, you don't miss out on opportunities to sign a proven winner who's still relatively young at your biggest position of need, especially when no major free agent is signing with us for the foreseeable future.

It's crazy how I'd trust a few people on message boards to run the team more than people getting paid millions of dollars for this job.

When the hell did everyone here become a Bane fan? I brought him up from months and kept getting he has short arms

[DOT]

Let's pretend we're untethered from traditional norms for a second and stretch some logic

What we could've done in the offseason:

Step 1: signed Fred VanVleet
Step 2: draft Haliburton at 8, Bane at 25, and Quick at 33
In a world where VanVleet wants to sign with us, I'll assume Quick is still there at 33
Step 3: Roll into the season with

VanVleet/Quick
Haliburton/Bane
RJ/Bullock
Randle/Knox
Mitch/Noel

Easily top 6 team in the East, maybe top 4. Fixes pretty much our biggest problems, that of playmaking, scoring, and shooting from the backcourt

I know there's no way we would have done this, especially since in this scenario we're drafting 3 guards after signing one to a big deal, but this is something that was possible to do, with the only question being if Quick makes it to 33, which I think there's a good chance he would have.

That team would not only be so much more fun to watch, but solidly in the playoff picture as well and with a higher upside.

I believe we could've gotten FVV for an overpay, although we don't know how far the Raptors were willing to go. Still, you don't miss out on opportunities to sign a proven winner who's still relatively young at your biggest position of need, especially when no major free agent is signing with us for the foreseeable future.

It's crazy how I'd trust a few people on message boards to run the team more than people getting paid millions of dollars for this job.

When the hell did everyone here become a Bane fan? I brought him up from months and kept getting he has short arms

I liked him for a while, but he wasn't my main target at that range

Plus, gotta keep it somewhat under wraps for BaF. Vernon Carey was another guy I liked as a backup but wanted for BaF so I never talked about him.

[god shammgod]

the best players in a draft don't always look the best in year 1. so we don't know if hali, or quickley for that matter, really will be some of the best players in the draft 4 years from. the bigger question is did it ever make sense to take an older 4 with questionable defense and outside shooting ? and as it looks, questionable post play. guys like vassel, okoro, deni might still take off. right now they look like typical rookies with a lot to work on. the best results this year would be hali & quick but a couple years from now and who knows.

[thebuzzardman]

I think it was a bad pick because of his position, not how he's doing.

He's 23, but:
Did a year at prep school. In that year, he grew 4 inches and went from a non recruited PG to recruited "big"
Did a redshirt year due to academic ineligibility. Another year of "not playing college ball"
(There's an argument in here, both years, that at least he was playing bball, getting a year of some kind of practice in)
Then 2 years in college - just like Quickley

So, I'm willing to give him some slack when comparing to other 20 year olds.

That kind of makes it worse imo

I mean, it's no real effect in the short term, but in the long term it's not good, cause it gives us less prime years before his athleticism starts dropping

His skills lagging behind his age isn't a good thing.

Well, he worked on developing his skills as a guard up until mid 18.
He's only had 3 years where he was acclimated to playing as a big.
Only 2 of those years were against "higher" competition, for whatever the Mid-Atlantic is.

It's just pointing out that there's room for Obi to be a little bit of a project at 22.
I mean, way back in the day when players were REQUIRED to play 4 college years, it STILL took a couple of years for most of them to get their act together.

I'll gladly participate in any Obit bashing though.

I don't care if he was Williams who the Bulls drafted. Still a bad pick. Knicks need guards. Guards in the NBA matter. Everyone else? A LOT less.

[dakomish23]

Not bad for a bust

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John wall doesn’t play = Rockets getting blown out. The true leader of that team.

Is this y’all king? mad soft

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The Houston Rockets entered Wednesday’s game against the Oklahoma City Thunder riding high on a six-game winning streak, including a 30-point win over the Thunder just two nights before. Unfortunately for the Rockets, their winning streak came to a screeching halt thanks to an ugly shooting performance in a 104-87 defeat in OKC.


Houston shot just 38.4% from the field and 12-of-46 from 3-point range in the loss. Rockets star Victor Oladipo had an especially rough game, making just eight of his 24 shot attempts while shooting 1-of-8 from beyond the arc. Oladipo missed his first seven 3-point attempts before making his last one.


Oladipo hasn’t exactly been shooting the ball all that well since joining the Rockets in the James Harden trade, but this was one of his worst showings of the season. The shooting guard is down to 39.5% overall and 31.1% from 3 since the trade.

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John wall doesn’t play = Rockets getting blown out. The true leader of that team.

Is this y’all king? mad soft

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The Houston Rockets entered Wednesday’s game against the Oklahoma City Thunder riding high on a six-game winning streak, including a 30-point win over the Thunder just two nights before. Unfortunately for the Rockets, their winning streak came to a screeching halt thanks to an ugly shooting performance in a 104-87 defeat in OKC.


Houston shot just 38.4% from the field and 12-of-46 from 3-point range in the loss. Rockets star Victor Oladipo had an especially rough game, making just eight of his 24 shot attempts while shooting 1-of-8 from beyond the arc. Oladipo missed his first seven 3-point attempts before making his last one.


Oladipo hasn’t exactly been shooting the ball all that well since joining the Rockets in the James Harden trade, but this was one of his worst showings of the season. The shooting guard is down to 39.5% overall and 31.1% from 3 since the trade.

Rockets without Christian Wood: 3-1

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