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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#581 » by 76ciology » Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:56 am

VDT wrote:Embiid is averaging 28.3 ppg on 31.2 mpg and at 66.9% TS. He is probably not going to keep this production up, either because his shooting will regress or because he will not be physically able to maintain that level of production. The question is how will this influence the team.

We are first right now but this is partly an illusion because there are not any really good/bad teams right now. Last year in the first 19 games we had a record of 13-6, the same we had before beating the Timberwolves, however there were other teams with better records so it was not that big of a deal. If you also take into account how easy our schedule have been, the team still has a lot to prove.


Agree with what you said.

I think Biid can keep this up though. The problem is, and weve seen it in the Lakers game, we need Tobi to overachieve and rise up to be the number 2 guy if we need to beat the really good teams on a large sample size of games.

And we need to find a way to win whenever Biid decide to sit out ball games.

Thats it and then we’re good. Easy peasy
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#582 » by M2J » Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:49 pm

https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-daryl-morey-shorted-the-big-man-market-reddit-nba-hilariously-exposes-sixers-gms-cunning-strategy-of-normalizing-small-ball-and-then-teaming-up-with-joel-embiid/

Daryl Morey is hilariously accused of market manipulation by NBA fans


A Twitter user posted the following message on an update yesterday: “Morey helped make small ball a craze and now he’s benefitting bc he has Embiid. This is the real short squeeze. This is market manipulation. Daryl Morey should be investigated.”

This tweet has ‘leveled up’, so to speak. It’s caught traction both on Twitter and on Reddit now. People are laughing their hats off at the idea of Morey intentionally doing this:
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Post#583 » by stormi » Thu Feb 4, 2021 6:21 am

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Post#584 » by Wilfried » Thu Feb 4, 2021 8:04 am

M2J wrote:https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-daryl-morey-shorted-the-big-man-market-reddit-nba-hilariously-exposes-sixers-gms-cunning-strategy-of-normalizing-small-ball-and-then-teaming-up-with-joel-embiid/

Daryl Morey is hilariously accused of market manipulation by NBA fans


A Twitter user posted the following message on an update yesterday: “Morey helped make small ball a craze and now he’s benefitting bc he has Embiid. This is the real short squeeze. This is market manipulation. Daryl Morey should be investigated.”

This tweet has ‘leveled up’, so to speak. It’s caught traction both on Twitter and on Reddit now. People are laughing their hats off at the idea of Morey intentionally doing this:



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Post#585 » by Bum Adebayo » Thu Feb 4, 2021 11:49 am

Embiid is playing much better than I expected before this season. With Morey here I though he would have a reduced role or something, but instead he is playing his best basketball in his career by far. I think his 3pt% will drop, but he has been much efficient from midrange and inside the paint, so his improvement is real.
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Post#586 » by 51X3RF4N » Thu Feb 4, 2021 12:58 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:Embiid is playing much better than I expected before this season. With Morey here I though he would have a reduced role or something, but instead he is playing his best basketball in his career by far. I think his 3pt% will drop, but he has been much efficient from midrange and inside the paint, so his improvement is real.
It literally all comes down to health.

When Joel Embiid is healthy, and in shape, he is dominant on both ends of the floor.

This has been the case his entire career. His per 36 minute stats, since his rookie season, he has never averaged LESS than 27ppg, 11rpg, 3apg, 1.5bpg. Dude has been a stud whenever he is on the floor.

Biggest difference is sometimes he is hurt, other times he is out of shape and those numbers take a slight dip. But when he's in shape, those numbers go up ever further.

His per 36 so far this season:

32.5ppg, 12.6rpg, 3.1apg, 1.4spg, 1.5bpg with a career low 2.8 fouls per game as compared to his previous career low of 3.5 fouls per game in 2018. Oh, and career highs in every shooting percentage category, with career low turnovers.

He is playing statistically better at every aspect of his game, except rebounds and assists, than he has in his career. And I think a primary reason is being in shape while at the same time having a coach who runs the offense through him in a good way compared to what Brett was doing.

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Post#587 » by eyeatoma » Thu Feb 4, 2021 2:21 pm

When I see Jo Jo this year, it's clear he's reached his apex, his "Neo is the 'One' " moment. He literally is seeing things before it happens on the court. He is surgically eviscerating his opponents. He has counter moves for counter moves. It really is incredible how much he has evolved over the course of a summer. I'm honestly terrified for the league how much better he'll be in the playoffs, and next year. I'm really not worried this time. He is so locked in, he will be even more dominant in the playoffs.

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Post#588 » by Sixersftw » Thu Feb 4, 2021 2:34 pm

eyeatoma wrote:When I see Jo Jo this year, it's clear he's reached his apex, his "Neo is the 'One' " moment. He literally is seeing things before it happens on the court. He is surgically eviscerating his opponents. He has counter moves for counter moves. It really is incredible how much he has evolved over the course of a summer. I'm honestly terrified for the league how much better he'll be in the playoffs, and next year. I'm really not worried this time. He is so locked in, he will be even more dominant in the playoffs.


He just straight up fixed his 2 biggest (only?) weaknesses in a Summer. If his improvement rate stays consistent, I can't fathom what that looks like. Like what on gods green Earth is the next development?
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Post#589 » by eyeatoma » Thu Feb 4, 2021 2:37 pm

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eyeatoma wrote:When I see Jo Jo this year, it's clear he's reached his apex, his "Neo is the 'One' " moment. He literally is seeing things before it happens on the court. He is surgically eviscerating his opponents. He has counter moves for counter moves. It really is incredible how much he has evolved over the course of a summer. I'm honestly terrified for the league how much better he'll be in the playoffs, and next year. I'm really not worried this time. He is so locked in, he will be even more dominant in the playoffs.


He just straight up fixed his 2 biggest (only?) weaknesses in a Summer. If his improvement rate stays consistent, I can't fathom what that looks like. Like what on gods green Earth is the next development?


To you what were those weaknesses? Conditioning and shooting from 3?
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Post#590 » by Sixersftw » Thu Feb 4, 2021 2:40 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
Sixersftw wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:When I see Jo Jo this year, it's clear he's reached his apex, his "Neo is the 'One' " moment. He literally is seeing things before it happens on the court. He is surgically eviscerating his opponents. He has counter moves for counter moves. It really is incredible how much he has evolved over the course of a summer. I'm honestly terrified for the league how much better he'll be in the playoffs, and next year. I'm really not worried this time. He is so locked in, he will be even more dominant in the playoffs.


He just straight up fixed his 2 biggest (only?) weaknesses in a Summer. If his improvement rate stays consistent, I can't fathom what that looks like. Like what on gods green Earth is the next development?


To you what were those weaknesses? Conditioning and shooting from 3?

Conditioning and reading doubles. I think a lot of us, myself included, have always felt that Jo is a legitimately good shooter from deep but it hadn't consistently translated other than his rookie year. I think conditioning had a lot to do with that.
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Post#591 » by eyeatoma » Thu Feb 4, 2021 2:43 pm

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eyeatoma wrote:
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He just straight up fixed his 2 biggest (only?) weaknesses in a Summer. If his improvement rate stays consistent, I can't fathom what that looks like. Like what on gods green Earth is the next development?


To you what were those weaknesses? Conditioning and shooting from 3?

Conditioning and reading doubles. I think a lot of us, myself included, have always felt that Jo is a legitimately good shooter from deep but it hadn't consistently translated other than his rookie year. I think conditioning had a lot to do with that.


Yeah, reading doubles, good point. True, he's always had such a feather like touch. The roll of the ball on some of his shots today was incredible. Someone that size should not have such a soft touch.
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Post#592 » by Stanford » Thu Feb 4, 2021 4:37 pm

eyeatoma wrote:To you what were those weaknesses? Conditioning and shooting from 3?


I think the improvement in 3 point shooting is just conditioning anyway. He's always had a good three point shot, he's just tended to shoot them when he's too gassed to work for a shot.
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Post#593 » by bball4life » Thu Feb 4, 2021 5:17 pm

Lowe with a pretty glowing piece on ESPN+ about Embiid today on the reason the Sixers are now true contenders. A good read.


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Post#594 » by Bum Adebayo » Thu Feb 4, 2021 5:52 pm

I never really though conditioning and 3pt shooting could be correlated, but it makes sense. Is there a stat out there that shows for example Embiid 3pt% first half of games vs 3pt% second half of games by season? I think that would prove the correlation.
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Post#595 » by Stanford » Thu Feb 4, 2021 10:59 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:I never really though conditioning and 3pt shooting could be correlated, but it makes sense. Is there a stat out there that shows for example Embiid 3pt% first half of games vs 3pt% second half of games by season? I think that would prove the correlation.


I just think that if you're making these assumptions, which seem reasonable:

1) 3 point shooting gets worse the more fatigued you are
2) Embiid shoots more 3s when he's fatigued

Then you can make the correlation.
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Post#596 » by kuclas » Fri Feb 5, 2021 12:11 am

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eyeatoma wrote:To you what were those weaknesses? Conditioning and shooting from 3?


I think the improvement in 3 point shooting is just conditioning anyway. He's always had a good three point shot, he's just tended to shoot them when he's too gassed to work for a shot.

Yes. He’s much more in control with his shot. Some games on 3 pointers. He barely bends his legs to shoot and the shot falls flat. You can see it’s as a sign of conditioning.
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#597 » by Sixersftw » Fri Feb 5, 2021 12:51 am

Shooting and fatigue are anecdotally very connected. Ever had an organized practice? Coach always makes you shoot fts at the end.
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Post#598 » by elchengue20 » Fri Feb 5, 2021 2:52 am

You do everything worse when you are tired.
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Post#599 » by VDT » Fri Feb 5, 2021 6:44 pm

Embiid and the team should feel extremely lucky if he avoided any injury last night because his knee bucked a bit when he landed. The fact that he came to play, probably means that it is not something serious but he should try to avoid these chase down blocks. They are not worth it.
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Post#600 » by eyeatoma » Fri Feb 5, 2021 9:10 pm

VDT wrote:Embiid and the team should feel extremely lucky if he avoided any injury last night because his knee bucked a bit when he landed. The fact that he came to play, probably means that it is not something serious but he should try to avoid these chase down blocks. They are not worth it.


Yeah agreed about the chase down.

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