Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason

[Negrodamus]

But seriously.. i think Vin fosh has a legit source, it’s just not a high ranking one. Another thing is, there’s a lot of noise and he just tweets them without any filters.

I can't even approach beginning to understand the belief that Vin Fosh has legit sources.

We’ll never know.

Even fl311 said there’s a lot of noise. If you want to be legit, you should know how to filter them.

Woj is not tweeting every hour unlike vin.

You can sound smart or look legit if you just be selective. But some of us, like me, just do it for fun.

Can't prove it's not true? Guess we'll never know!

That's the same fallacy that has millions of Americans praising an unknown message board troll named Q. And yes, I'm comparing Vin Fosh to QAnon with zero regrets.

[PhillyNj]

At this point I think the most realistic goal is to upgrade Danny Green and Mike Scott.

Speaking of this...

Philly trades: Danny Green, Mike Scott, Terrance Ferguson, 2021 1st, 2021 NYK 2nd, 2023 ATL/BKN/CHA 2nd, and 3M cash
Philly gets: Evan Fournier (with a 3 year extension at something under 20M per year) and PJ Tucker

Houston trades: PJ Tucker and Dante Exum
Houston gets: Mike Scott, Danny Green, 2021 NYK 2nd, and 2023 ATL/BKN/CHA 2nd

Orlando trades: Evan Fournier
Orlando gets: Dante Exum, Terrance Ferguson, and 2021 PHI lotto protected (becomes two 2nds if not conveyed)


Simmons/Curry/Maxey

Fournier is not worth anywhere near 20 mil a year. I wouldn’t take him unless they threw in 2 frp’s

[youngcrev]

I can't even approach beginning to understand the belief that Vin Fosh has legit sources.

We’ll never know.

Even fl311 said there’s a lot of noise. If you want to be legit, you should know how to filter them.

Woj is not tweeting every hour unlike vin.

You can sound smart or look legit if you just be selective. But some of us, like me, just do it for fun.

Can't prove it's not true? Guess we'll never know!

That's the same fallacy that has millions of Americans praising an unknown message board troll named Q. And yes, I'm comparing Vin Fosh to QAnon with zero regrets.

Hillary eating babies and Korkmaz nut punching Lebron...

The QAnon stuff might actually be more believable, but at least the Fosh stuff is harmless (until some Lebron stan has Korkmaz tied up in his basement)

[the_process]

CHA gets Drummond, Korkmaz, and 2021 PHI 1st
CLE gets Green and Zeller
ORL gets Monk, Scott, 2021 NYK 2nd, and 2013 ABC 2nd
PHI gets Ross and Washington


Curry/Maxey
Ross/Milton/Joe/Tucker*
Simmons/Thybulle/Ferguson
Harris/Washington/Poirier/Reed*
Embiid/Howard/Bradley

[51X3RF4N]

CHA gets Drummond, Korkmaz, and 2021 PHI 1st
CLE gets Green and Zeller
ORL gets Monk, Scott, 2021 NYK 2nd, and 2013 ABC 2nd
PHI gets Ross and Washington


Curry/Maxey
Ross/Milton/Joe/Tucker*
Simmons/Thybulle/Ferguson
Harris/Washington/Poirier/Reed*
Embiid/Howard/Bradley

I don't believe Charlotte has any intention of trading PJ, they think he's a stud.

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[51X3RF4N]

This one isn't TOO complicated and I think all 3 teams win...

I'll also say this is a move to maximize as much value as you can get for Tobias while he's playing this well, and Doc has been okay with trading him before when he was playing at this level...

Orlando Out: Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier

Orlando In: Tobias Harris, T. Ferguson, SAC future 1st

Why for Orlando? They have a lot of guys locked up to long term deals and not a lot of cap space to do much in the off-season, especially with Isaac's deal kicking in. This move allows them to turn an expiring and a good young player who doesn't necessarily fit their roster into a better fit on a long term contract who happens to be playing at an All Star level, and a first round pick. They would have 3+ years of their top 7 guys under contract to build a contender. Vucevic/Harris/Isaac/Fultz/Anthony/Ross/Okeke

Sacramento Out: CoJo, Bjelica, FRP

Sacramento In: Aaron Gordon, Vincent Poirier

Why for Sacramento? They have a lot of guards already, and Bjelica is an expiring. They get a good young player who fits next to Bagley/Barnes/Hield/Fox, and improves their chances at competing in the West. Haliburton gets unleashed in their 2nd unit.

Philly Out: Harris, Ferguson, Poirier

Philly In: Fournier, Bjelica, CoJo

Why for Philly? Turn a fringe All Star on a bad contract into 2 expirings, but also 3 on court rotational fits to make a push at a title. If it fails, you have $50+M expiring contracts and a very tradeable CoJo $13M expiring in the off-season.

Embiid/Howard/Bradley
Simmons/Bjelica/Scott
Green/Thybulle/Korkmaz
Fornier/Shake/Joe
Curry/CoJo/Maxey



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[ProcessDoctor]

Harris/Maxey/2021 FRP for Oladipo/Tucker


Oladipo(34)/Milton(14)
Curry(28)/Thybulle(10)/Milton(10)
Green(28)/Tucker(10)/Thybulle(10)
Simmons(34)/Tucker(14)
Embiid(32)/Howard(16)


Oladipo/Milton
Curry/Korkmaz/Joe
Green/Thybulle/Ferguson
Simmons/Tucker/Scott
Embiid/Howard/Bradley/Poirer


Either Oladipo becomes the 3rd star we've been looking for, or he flops/walks and we have a max slot available.

[the_process]

CHA gets Drummond, Korkmaz, and 2021 PHI 1st
CLE gets Green and Zeller
ORL gets Monk, Scott, 2021 NYK 2nd, and 2013 ABC 2nd
PHI gets Ross and Washington


Curry/Maxey
Ross/Milton/Joe/Tucker*
Simmons/Thybulle/Ferguson
Harris/Washington/Poirier/Reed*
Embiid/Howard/Bradley

I don't believe Charlotte has any intention of trading PJ, they think he's a stud.

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Trade also works with Bridges instead, but then that 1st gets lotto protection on it at the minimum.

Turning Green into Ross would be pretty ideal.

[PhillyNj]

CHA gets Drummond, Korkmaz, and 2021 PHI 1st
CLE gets Green and Zeller
ORL gets Monk, Scott, 2021 NYK 2nd, and 2013 ABC 2nd
PHI gets Ross and Washington


Curry/Maxey
Ross/Milton/Joe/Tucker*
Simmons/Thybulle/Ferguson
Harris/Washington/Poirier/Reed*
Embiid/Howard/Bradley

I don't believe Charlotte has any intention of trading PJ, they think he's a stud.

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Trade also works with Bridges instead, but then that 1st gets lotto protection on it at the minimum.

Don’t like the trade for The Sixers Ross really doesn’t help.Curry is definitely not a point guard, and the Sixers are giving up to many assists for a player they don’t need.

[51X3RF4N]

CHA gets Drummond, Korkmaz, and 2021 PHI 1st
CLE gets Green and Zeller
ORL gets Monk, Scott, 2021 NYK 2nd, and 2013 ABC 2nd
PHI gets Ross and Washington


Curry/Maxey
Ross/Milton/Joe/Tucker*
Simmons/Thybulle/Ferguson
Harris/Washington/Poirier/Reed*
Embiid/Howard/Bradley

I don't believe Charlotte has any intention of trading PJ, they think he's a stud.

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Trade also works with Bridges instead, but then that 1st gets lotto protection on it at the minimum.

I truly think Charlotte wants to build around:

F/C- PJ
F- Bridges
F/G- Hayward
G- Ball

Having all 3 F's maintaining position flexibility, they can get creative with lineups. I think they see these 4 guys as their "core" and if Ball can become a true "star" then CLT has a big 3 of Ball/Hayward/PJ.

Just my take. I live in Wilmington NC and hear a ton of Hornets chatter.

They see another 1st round pick or trade for a higher pick to fill in the 5th starter, if Carey doesn't develop quick enough.

Monk, Zeller, Graham and Rozier are the trade assets they would be willing to part with if it meant more draft picks and good young depth.

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[the_process]

I don't believe Charlotte has any intention of trading PJ, they think he's a stud.

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Trade also works with Bridges instead, but then that 1st gets lotto protection on it at the minimum.

Don’t like the trade for The Sixers Ross really doesn’t help.Curry is definitely not a point guard, and the Sixers are giving up to many assists for a player they don’t need.

Ross is same type of player as Green, is locked in a slightly cheaper deal than Green, and can dribble a little bit. It's definitely good for the Sixers.

[51X3RF4N]

Trade also works with Bridges instead, but then that 1st gets lotto protection on it at the minimum.

Don’t like the trade for The Sixers Ross really doesn’t help.Curry is definitely not a point guard, and the Sixers are giving up to many assists for a player they don’t need.

Ross is same type of player as Green, is locked in a slightly cheaper deal than Green, and can dribble a little bit. It's definitely good for the Sixers.

Isn't Ross more of a pull up shooter than catch and shoot? I don't think he's as good defensively as Green. And doesn't have 2 championships in a row. I'd rather keep Green and send other salary plus picks for Ross. Start Ross over Green, but keep Green heavily in the rotation.

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[youngcrev]

I'd take Danny over Ross as a starter. I look at him more as a microwave shooter off the bench.

[the_process]

It's not about this year. This year is a holding pattern unless they get an actual perimeter creator. Green is a guy who won't be back, they need to get a long term rotation piece for his salary slot.

[51X3RF4N]

It's not about this year. This year is a holding pattern unless they get an actual perimeter creator. Green is a guy who won't be back, they need to get a long term rotation piece for his salary slot.

Well, I don't disagree that a few more pieces are needed to be a true contender...but I also think Green will be a key piece in any title run we make anyhow. So I'd rather not give him up unless it's in a deal for a true difference maker from the perimeter. Ross just isn't moving the needle enough for me.

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[76ciology]

I’d rather have Tobias than Fournier, Bjelica and Joseph.

And that cap space will just get you a tobias harris caliber talent.

[51X3RF4N]

I’d rather have Tobias than Fournier, Bjelica and Joseph.

And that cap space will just get you a tobias harris caliber talent.

Right. Assuming this version of Tobias is the one we get come playoff time. And can be this version the whole season.

Otherwise, he goes back to being the worst contract in the NBA.

I'd love if Tobias was truly this good, but I'm guessing there is a middle ground where we find out Tobias is really an $21M per year player who is vastly overpaid and then everyone would rather have expiring contracts or 3 rotational players than Tobias.

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[76ciology]

I’d rather have Tobias than Fournier, Bjelica and Joseph.

And that cap space will just get you a tobias harris caliber talent.

Right. Assuming this version of Tobias is the one we get come playoff time. And can be this version the whole season.

Otherwise, he goes back to being the worst contract in the NBA.

I'd love if Tobias was truly this good, but I'm guessing there is a middle ground where we find out Tobias is really an $21M per year player who is vastly overpaid and then everyone would rather have expiring contracts or 3 rotational players than Tobias.

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I get what you mean.

But it’s not like we have a surplus of talent that we can afford to sacrifice talent for some financial savings that doesnt really benefit the team except for Josh Harris’ wallet.

After Embiid, I find Tobi to be the most important player on the team right now. Tobi right now has the highest On vs Off NetRtg on the team, higher than Embiid.

Let’s say if you can trade anyone, except Embiid, for Robert Covington I find that the team would suffer the most if it’s for Tobi.

If Im trading Tobi, I atleast need a guy who can be a 2nd option in crunch time after Embiid.

[the_process]

I’d rather have Tobias than Fournier, Bjelica and Joseph.

And that cap space will just get you a tobias harris caliber talent.

Right. Assuming this version of Tobias is the one we get come playoff time. And can be this version the whole season.

Otherwise, he goes back to being the worst contract in the NBA.

I'd love if Tobias was truly this good, but I'm guessing there is a middle ground where we find out Tobias is really an $21M per year player who is vastly overpaid and then everyone would rather have expiring contracts or 3 rotational players than Tobias.

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I get what you mean.

But it’s not like we have a surplus of talent that we can afford to sacrifice talent for some financial savings that doesnt really benefit the team except for Josh Harris’ wallet.

After Embiid, I find Tobi to be the most important player on the team right now. Tobi right now has the highest On vs Off NetRtg on the team, higher than Embiid.

Let’s say if you can trade anyone, except Embiid, for Robert Covington I find that the team would suffer the most if it’s for Tobi.

If Im trading Tobi, I atleast need a guy who can be a 2nd option in crunch time after Embiid.

Tobias is shooting unsustainably hot from 3. He goes back to his regular 37-38%, that's one less 3 a game, he's a 17PPG guy again, and as mentioned above, he's right back to being the worst contract in the league.

Seth Curry and Danny Green also need to be dealt. It's not about this year. Maybe tonight will remind everyone of that.

[76ciology]

Right. Assuming this version of Tobias is the one we get come playoff time. And can be this version the whole season.

Otherwise, he goes back to being the worst contract in the NBA.

I'd love if Tobias was truly this good, but I'm guessing there is a middle ground where we find out Tobias is really an $21M per year player who is vastly overpaid and then everyone would rather have expiring contracts or 3 rotational players than Tobias.

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I get what you mean.

But it’s not like we have a surplus of talent that we can afford to sacrifice talent for some financial savings that doesnt really benefit the team except for Josh Harris’ wallet.

After Embiid, I find Tobi to be the most important player on the team right now. Tobi right now has the highest On vs Off NetRtg on the team, higher than Embiid.

Let’s say if you can trade anyone, except Embiid, for Robert Covington I find that the team would suffer the most if it’s for Tobi.

If Im trading Tobi, I atleast need a guy who can be a 2nd option in crunch time after Embiid.

Tobias is shooting unsustainably hot from 3. He goes back to his regular 37-38%, that's one less 3 a game, he's a 17PPG guy again, and as mentioned above, he's right back to being the worst contract in the league.

Seth Curry and Danny Green also need to be dealt. It's not about this year. Maybe tonight will remind everyone of that.

We’re not trading anyone just because they had a bad game or else it’s going to be a revolving door.

Its not like we’re trading Tobias for Klay Thompson and Duncan Robinson. Fournier and Bjelica are both in the same tier of bad or average version of Tobi but WITHOUT THE UPSIDE.

And right now, unless we can get a legit number 2 scorer (some perimeter scorer that can average atleast 25ppg on good TS%), we have to rely on that upside of Tobi.