Bosh vs Siakam

[bon]

I don't have an ounce of hate in my heart for Pascal, but this is easily Bosh.

I agree. I did not think this idea out. feel free to lock it up.

And yet it's at 6 pages and counting.

Bottom line - Pascal could not have replaced CB4 as one of the big 3 in Miami.

Of course not. He's a slasher and would be redundant beside Wade/LeBron. Bosh fit because he could play the spot up shooter role.

Definitely wasn't a first option though so it's strange seeing the "not even close" posts.

[Reeko]

KD Giannas AD Sabonis Zion .. 2 more outplaying siakam this year jerami grant and Julius Randle..

Now do a top 25-30 nba player ranking with siakam in it..Cause I can do 30 without

The first three are undeniable, but arguments can be made for Siakam over the other 4 especially when you factor in defense.

Sabonis has been killing it this year more so than AD.. and do you really wanna argue pascal over zion? Cmon now

Sabonis has been killing it offensively and giving it right back on the defensive end, that's why they need Turner out there with him.

You mean the same Zion that doesn't shoot 3s or play any defense? Yes I would definitely make that argument.

[Dennis 37]

This a joke?

bosh 11 time all star
1 time all nba - 2nd team

... how does that make any sense ...

How much of those Bosh all-stars was due to a huge Raptor fan base having nothing else to get them excited than seeing a Raptor in the AS game? And then later, how much was due to being the third wheel on a championship team?

Bosh might be the better choice ,but I never gave much importance to those AS appearances.

[Live Free]

The first three are undeniable, but arguments can be made for Siakam over the other 4 especially when you factor in defense.

Sabonis has been killing it this year more so than AD.. and do you really wanna argue pascal over zion? Cmon now

Sabonis has been killing it offensively and giving it right back on the defensive end, that's why they need Turner out there with him.

You mean the same Zion that doesn't shoot 3s or play any defense? Yes I would definitely make that argument.

Sabonis has the highest def rating on his team.. has a higher def rating than pascal.. and has a top 20 def rating in the league.. keep sipping toronto tap water all you want, it doesn't change the fact sabonis is putting together a monster season this year especially on the offensive end and on the glass.

I honestly shouldn't have responded when I saw you'd take pascal over zion Williamson but w.e

[Reeko]

Sabonis has been killing it this year more so than AD.. and do you really wanna argue pascal over zion? Cmon now

Sabonis has been killing it offensively and giving it right back on the defensive end, that's why they need Turner out there with him.

You mean the same Zion that doesn't shoot 3s or play any defense? Yes I would definitely make that argument.

Sabonis has the highest def rating on his team.. has a higher def rating than pascal.. and has a top 20 def rating in the league.. keep sipping toronto tap water all you want, it doesn't change the fact sabonis is putting together a monster season this year especially on the offensive end and on the glass.

I honestly shouldn't have responded when I saw you'd take pascal over zion Williamson but w.e

Turner is the one who anchors that defense and has been playing like a DPOY candidate thus far. https://www.forbes.com/sites/tonyeast/2021/01/13/indiana-pacers-center-myles-turner-is-making-an-early-case-for-defensive-player-of-the-year/?sh=7d490ab54b88

And this isn't 1998, you need your power forward to space the floor in today's NBA and until Zion does that and defends at a high level I'm taking Pascal. I'm done with this convo.

[Kreamy]

Bosh wasn't that good. Y'all make it seem like we had a franchise player. He peaked in his come out game against KG. Relax.

[junot111]

If we had prime Bosh instead of Siakam last year, we would've beat Boston easily

Though I will say, depending on your roster there might be instances where you prefer to have Siakam. His defensive versatility allows him to guard 1-4 consistently, and sometimes 5. Against a team that hunts for switches like GSW, that's a huge bonus to have. Bosh was mobile and could guard on the perimeter occasionally but not nearly as good as Siakam on that end.

[El Mas Chingon]

I'm sure Siakam is getting calls to collude to make a super team.

[Live Free]

Sabonis has been killing it offensively and giving it right back on the defensive end, that's why they need Turner out there with him.

You mean the same Zion that doesn't shoot 3s or play any defense? Yes I would definitely make that argument.

Sabonis has the highest def rating on his team.. has a higher def rating than pascal.. and has a top 20 def rating in the league.. keep sipping toronto tap water all you want, it doesn't change the fact sabonis is putting together a monster season this year especially on the offensive end and on the glass.

I honestly shouldn't have responded when I saw you'd take pascal over zion Williamson but w.e

Turner is the one who anchors that defense and has been playing like a DPOY candidate thus far. https://www.forbes.com/sites/tonyeast/2021/01/13/indiana-pacers-center-myles-turner-is-making-an-early-case-for-defensive-player-of-the-year/?sh=7d490ab54b88

And this isn't 1998, you need your power forward to space the floor in today's NBA and until Zion does that and defends at a high level I'm taking Pascal. I'm done with this convo.

So cause Turner anchors it mean sabonis is a horrible defender? and you'd take pascal siakam over zion Williamson?... yea you're right this convo is over.. goofy

[RapsFan2000]

As of now, Bosh. Siakam has ways to go and to show his worth with that horrible contract we offered him.
Bosh didn't even have good talent when he was here. TJ Ford? Calderon? JO? Hedo? Bargs? MO PETE?! In the end though, if Siakam gets it together, especially being so mobile, it would be him. But we should compare after Siakams career is over.

[macNcheese3]

Bosh and no questions asked.

[Live Free]

Can you name 5 better PF's than Siakam?

KD Giannas AD Sabonis Zion .. 2 more outplaying siakam this year jerami grant and Julius Randle..

Now do a top 25-30 nba player ranking with siakam in it..Cause I can do 30 without

Grant and Randle? Ah, Ok

Yes, Grant and Randle too

[garbagnani]

I agree. I did not think this idea out. feel free to lock it up.

And yet it's at 6 pages and counting.

Bottom line - Pascal could not have replaced CB4 as one of the big 3 in Miami.

Of course not. He's a slasher and would be redundant beside Wade/LeBron. Bosh fit because he could play the spot up shooter role.

Definitely wasn't a first option though so it's strange seeing the "not even close" posts.

Totally disagree. Pascal was amazing as second/third banana during our championship run. Pascal would have made the heat transition game even deadlier. He would have been amazing in bosh’s role.

[Psubs]

As of now, Bosh. Siakam has ways to go and to show his worth with that horrible contract we offered him.
Bosh didn't even have good talent when he was here. TJ Ford? Calderon? JO? Hedo? Bargs? MO PETE?! In the end though, if Siakam gets it together, especially being so mobile, it would be him. But we should compare after Siakams career is over.

Oh, that's one aspect to consider. I have NEVER thought of Bosh as being overpaid.

[Danny1616]

Bosh was a monster when he played with us, truly a top 10 player in the league at the time in my opinion.

He really didn't have a weakness. Strong in the paint and could finish, had an elite back to the basket/post-up game with a variety of moves and excellent footwork, had an elite face up game and could blow by defenders with his speed, had an elite mid-range jump shot that was absolute money, had a great hook shot, was a good passer, was an excellent help defender, a very good rebounder, and shot blocker.

You never really had to worry about Bosh having an off night. He was a walking 20 and 10 player on ultra efficiency.

The supporting cast he had was garbage here. His best supporting cast was in 2007 when we had Parker, Garbo, Ford, and Calderon, lol. He was essentially surrounded by a bunch of role players.

If you plugged Bosh instead of JV on the 2016-2018 teams, that team makes the finals in one of those years.


Just for reference, if you go back to the 2009-2010 season, looking at the player ratings, truly elite that season.

http://www.espn.com/nba/seasonleaders/_/league/nba/year/2010

1 LeBron James, SF LAL 76 39.0 .503 .767 1.7 7.3 8.6 1.6 1.0 3.4 29.7 52.7
2 Kevin Durant, PF BKN 82 39.5 .476 .900 1.6 7.6 2.8 1.4 1.0 3.3 30.1 45.6
3 Dwyane Wade, G MIA 77 36.3 .476 .761 0.9 4.8 6.5 1.8 1.1 3.3 26.6 43.1
4 Chris Bosh, PF MIA 70 36.1 .518 .797 0.1 10.8 2.4 0.6 1.0 2.4 24.0 41.0
5 Chris Paul, PG PHO 45 38.0 .493 .847 1.2 4.2 10.7 2.1 0.2 2.5 18.7 40.7
6 Carmelo Anthony, PF POR 69 38.2 .458 .830 0.9 6.6 3.2 1.3 0.4 3.0 28.2 40.6
6 Kobe Bryant, SF LAL 73 38.8 .456 .811 1.4 5.4 5.0 1.5 0.3 3.2 27.0 40.6

[pilkoids]

Siakam is probably the higher ceiling when all is said and done

Cb4 had better fundamentals but could not be the man on the team and really could not create his own shot

Based on upside defense you pick Siakkam 99 out of 100

What?

[TheYellowMamba]

Only thing Siakam better than Bosh is perimeter defense. Everything Siakam has accomplished is flawed. This is not even close, heck shouldn't be a 7 page debate.

[Psubs]

And yet it's at 6 pages and counting.

Bottom line - Pascal could not have replaced CB4 as one of the big 3 in Miami.

Of course not. He's a slasher and would be redundant beside Wade/LeBron. Bosh fit because he could play the spot up shooter role.

Definitely wasn't a first option though so it's strange seeing the "not even close" posts.

Totally disagree. Pascal was amazing as second/third banana during our championship run. Pascal would have made the heat transition game even deadlier. He would have been amazing in bosh’s role.

Yet, I don't trust Siakam to be able to do this in the clutch.

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Let's not be foolish. Bosh was able to play C against Duncan.

[pilkoids]

I remember very early in Bosh's career, when Jalen Rose was on the Raps, there was a game where Bosh had like a 5pt 2reb game or something - Jalen called him out, saying that just because Bosh wasn't making his shots, it didn't mean he couldn't do other things on the court. Bosh never had another game like that afterwards.

[pilkoids]

Only thing Siakam better than Bosh is perimeter defense. Everything Siakam has accomplished is flawed. This is not even close, heck shouldn't be a 7 page debate.

Bosh was an excellent defender when he went over to Miami and didn't have to be the #1 or #2 man on offense.