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Ron Swanson · Post #441 » by **Ron Swanson** » Fri Feb 5, 2021 3:18 pm

Ersan would bring some much needed defensive stability to the bench units. A Bobby/Ersan front court doesn't give you much rim protection but both guys are really solid, strong rebounders who aren't gonna get pushed around on the block. Portis also needs to learn how to take charges from the master.

buckbeer · Post #442 » by **buckbeer** » Fri Feb 5, 2021 3:20 pm

Trade the two DJs (Augustin and Wilson) for PJ Tucker and Ben McLemore (both expiring contracts)

Starters: Jrue/Pat/Middleton/Giannis/Brook
Bench: DDV/Forbes/McLemore/Craig/Tucker/Portis

chonestown · Post #443 » by **chonestown** » Fri Feb 5, 2021 4:29 pm

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This is great, but I want to see him practicing 1-on-0 charges as if he was the Turk version of your boy Tommy Shep.

Wonka · Post #444 » by **Wonka** » Fri Feb 5, 2021 5:01 pm

Ersan looks a LOT thinner than he has in a long time, or is that just me?

Brewhoopfan · Post #445 » by **Brewhoopfan** » Fri Feb 5, 2021 5:08 pm

I see a lot of proposals for shipping out newly acquired free agents like DJA, Forbes, etc. I wonder how much this happens in the league? I also wonder if it may hurt a team in future free agency if they get a reputation for immediately dealing new signings?

M-C-G · Post #446 » by **M-C-G** » Fri Feb 5, 2021 5:21 pm

Brewhoopfan wrote:I see a lot of proposals for shipping out newly acquired free agents like DJA, Forbes, etc. I wonder how much this happens in the league? I also wonder if it may hurt a team in future free agency if they get a reputation for immediately dealing new signings?

I don't think there is a real chance that any of our FA get shipped out. I think we just don't have any moveable salary other than DJW and people want to dream.

The one piece I really want would be some kind of Lopez/DJW for Myles Turner type move. But I just don't think we have the ammo.

Side note, I really love watching Jrue play basketball. He has definitely not quite figured out how to fit in on offense, though I do think we should give extended run at running through him, but the havoc he causes on defense and hustle is awesome. Really hope we lock him up.

coolhandluke121 · Post #447 » by **coolhandluke121** » Fri Feb 5, 2021 5:58 pm

Wonka wrote:Ersan looks a LOT thinner than he has in a long time, or is that just me?

Definitely. I think he started slimming down and taking his offseason conditioning more seriously starting a few years ago. It helps a lot of players extend their careers. I think knowing you have to do something just to get a job again only adds motivation. Let's face it, Ersan was too slow at the end of last season.

Remember all those years where he would sleepwalk through the first few months of the season? People kept saying he was much older than his listed age and that's why he looked washed up, but pretty much every year he'd be the Ersan we know and love again by January. He didn't go through that phase to start the two seasons before this one IIRC though.

DingleJerry · Post #448 » by **DingleJerry** » Fri Feb 5, 2021 6:48 pm

Saw Julius Randle as a mention for MKE. Brook and DJ work. This would be embracing the Giannis as primary 5 model and you'd have to grab a legit thick 5 as the backup. It seems Randle is shooting 3s better this year but not sure if that's for real or not, scouts would have to say if he's done something different. I'm not sure on it but I'd probably do it.

skones · Post #449 » by **skones** » Fri Feb 5, 2021 6:55 pm

DingleJerry wrote:Saw Julius Randle as a mention for MKE. Brook and DJ work. This would be embracing the Giannis as primary 5 model and you'd have to grab a legit thick 5 as the backup. It seems Randle is shooting 3s better this year but not sure if that's for real or not, scouts would have to say if he's done something different. I'm not sure on it but I'd probably do it.

Randle's play has been that of a bonafide All-Star Caliber player this season. I don't foresee Brook and DJ being anywhere close. RPM doesn't particularly love him, but most of the available metrics out there through the first 23 games do.

Ron Swanson · Post #450 » by **Ron Swanson** » Fri Feb 5, 2021 6:56 pm

We already have the more ideal role-playing version of Randle in Bobby Portis. I'd pass on any Randle trades and I'm also imagining the Knicks want a hefty price for him.

DingleJerry · Post #451 » by **DingleJerry** » Fri Feb 5, 2021 7:01 pm

skones wrote:
DingleJerry wrote:Saw Julius Randle as a mention for MKE. Brook and DJ work. This would be embracing the Giannis as primary 5 model and you'd have to grab a legit thick 5 as the backup. It seems Randle is shooting 3s better this year but not sure if that's for real or not, scouts would have to say if he's done something different. I'm not sure on it but I'd probably do it.

Randle's play has been that of a bonafide All-Star Caliber player this season. I don't foresee Brook and DJ being anywhere close. RPM doesn't particularly love him, but most of the available metrics out there through the first 23 games do.

Yup, forgot to mention we'd have to add in picks or something to get them to do it. Of course we're very limited there.

JimmyTheKid · Post #452 » by **JimmyTheKid** » Fri Feb 5, 2021 7:14 pm

DingleJerry wrote:Saw Julius Randle as a mention for MKE. Brook and DJ work. This would be embracing the Giannis as primary 5 model and you'd have to grab a legit thick 5 as the backup. It seems Randle is shooting 3s better this year but not sure if that's for real or not, scouts would have to say if he's done something different. I'm not sure on it but I'd probably do it.

Where did you see that?

DingleJerry · Post #453 » by **DingleJerry** » Fri Feb 5, 2021 7:30 pm

JimmyTheKid wrote:
DingleJerry wrote:Saw Julius Randle as a mention for MKE. Brook and DJ work. This would be embracing the Giannis as primary 5 model and you'd have to grab a legit thick 5 as the backup. It seems Randle is shooting 3s better this year but not sure if that's for real or not, scouts would have to say if he's done something different. I'm not sure on it but I'd probably do it.

Where did you see that?

Nothing of substance. It was something I just saw on twitter of an article throwing out one hypothetical trade for each team in the Bucks central division. I only read the Bucks one, can't recall the site. So it was just a speculation, no real rumor of any kind.

emunney · Post #454 » by **emunney** » Fri Feb 5, 2021 8:23 pm

coolhandluke121 wrote:
emunney wrote:What % of the Jrue package would it have taken to get high enough in the draft to take Haliburton?

Don't do this to yourself.

Had a premonition that someone would respond exactly this way when I made this post. This should be considered good news for anybody hoping for a paint color called "sunset fart".

Bucksfan28 · Post #455 » by **Bucksfan28** » Fri Feb 5, 2021 8:37 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:We already have the more ideal role-playing version of Randle in Bobby Portis. I'd pass on any Randle trades and I'm also imagining the Knicks want a hefty price for him.

This is something I know is true but don't want to accept. Julius has been my guy, but it's not the right time to fulfill his destiny.

LuessiT · Post #456 » by **LuessiT** » Fri Feb 5, 2021 8:39 pm

emunney wrote:What % of the Jrue package would it have taken to get high enough in the draft to take Haliburton?

My worry is that the thought never crossed Hort's mind during the draft. Man he was a perfect fit.

raferfenix · Post #457 » by **raferfenix** » Fri Feb 5, 2021 8:42 pm

How much do we think a shortened season will help Ersan?

Maybe he'll respond well to having less pounding on his body.

Either way it's a low bar for him to help us enough to beat out Thanasis and Wilson at a baseline.

crkone · Post #458 » by **crkone** » Fri Feb 5, 2021 8:47 pm

https://theathletic.com/2364382/2021/02/05/bucks-defensive-regression-is-scheme-hot-shooting-or-personnel-the-culprit/

Great discussion between Nehm and Seth about the Bucks defensive regression. Here's their conclusion:

A small-ball closing lineup with Antetokounmpo at center has long been the dream of many Bucks fans, but your question seems to suggest you, one of the biggest believers in Lopez’s defensive abilities, believe the Bucks have two options going forward this season:

• They need to figure out how to play defense more effectively with Lopez on the floor.

• They need to find a lineup that can perfect a more adaptable defensive strategy.

Is that right?

Partnow: With the huge caveat that those adjustments become necessities if our theories about the changed odds of the game are true and are not things that will be solved either by better execution of an existing scheme or we come to find the Bucks have just caught an unusual wave of hot opponent shooting. Relying on the latter seems foolhardy, but this team has barely been together, so allowing a little more time for the former might be wise, especially during this oddest of seasons.

Siefer · Post #459 » by **Siefer** » Fri Feb 5, 2021 9:17 pm

The Athletic piece linked above is a must read, I think. A few highlights:

. Slightly more specific to the Bucks, Bledsoe/Lopez/Giannis lineups in 2019-20 were in the 93rd percentile in terms of forcing midrange attempts. Those lineups with Holiday in for Bledsoe have been above average in this regard so far but not to an extreme, only in the 66th percentile.

I think a combination of teams setting more and better screens to punish our dropping/over-help accounts for some of this, and Holiday's occasional "I'm doing my own thing" adventures have resulted in more blown coverages on the wings.

According to matchup data from the NBA, Lopez guarded centers 54.2 percent of the time in 2018-19. So far this year, that figure is 42.2 percent. Meanwhile, the shift in players by whom he has been guarded has shifted even more. This year centers have guarded Lopez 29.7 percent of the time compared to 45.7 percent in 2018-19.

I was a bit worried about Lopez's footspeed early on (and I still think his at rim contests are a bit worse this year), but overall, I think Brook is still doing Brook things pretty well. The landscape is changing fast, though.

The bench D is just going to be worse, no way to really "fix" that, but it can be mitigated by better offense, and smarter minute distributions. Forbes with the starters (Giannis being mandatory), for example, has proven to be a pretty high functioning unit, and can usually prevent Forbes from being exploited on D.

The big takeaway for me was that we're still a great rim protecting team, but some bad 2s have become 3s, and opponents are hitting above the break 3s at an insane rate. I think the distribution isn't going to come back down to 2019 levels, but it can probably be pulled down a bit by toning down the perimeter help, and with better communication, especially among our starting wings.

If that stuff improves and the starting D is still mediocre?

LuessiT · Post #460 » by **LuessiT** » Fri Feb 5, 2021 9:24 pm

raferfenix wrote:How much do we think a shortened season will help Ersan?

Maybe he'll respond well to having less pounding on his body.

Either way it's a low bar for him to help us enough to beat out Thanasis and Wilson at a baseline.

Beating out Thanos or DJ doesn't really qualify for a roster spot though. We are right under the hard cap and we only have six guaranteed contributors. Imo we have to aim much higher than Ersan. If we miss and end up with him, so be it, but Ersan shouldn't be plan 1a) or 1b).