Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?)

[FNQ]

Beal measurements and how they get reported/discussed is incredibly strange...

He's constantly talked about as being short due to being listed at 6'3 virtually everywhere... yet he measured 6'3.25 barefoot and 6'4.75 in shoes. In the past, this would almost always get listed as 6'4 or 6'5 by teams. He's one of the few players in the league that gets listed at his actual height the way it should be lol.

Not a huge deal either way, but a minor little note when it comes to if you think he's big enough to play SG (he is). Basically same size as a D Wade or numerous other guards usually listed at 6'4/6'5.

And frankly I'm still of the mind that height doesn't matter.. Tyreke was 6'4 but scraped his knuckles on the ground when he walked (7' wingspan) and you could have played him at SF easy. Hell, he could even be a PF in today's game. I mean Byron Houston was 6'5, Barkley was 6'6, Dray is 6'6.. being able to play means being able to play.

Beal would be a fantastic addition, especially if we could get him for Oubre and assets. Imagine a team where your 5-6 man guard/SF rotation was Curry/Klay/Beal/Wiggins/Lee/Poole or Mulder.. that's pretty damn good, with Wiggins/Lee/Klay all able to share the SF minutes to boot, splashed in with a little JTA.

Looney is the conversation to have right now. Whether or not he opts in is the elephant in the room.. starting him was risky because of that fact. He's worth at least the full MLE. If he definitely opted in, I'm offering Wiseman as a core piece in a Beal offer, no hesitation. Wiseman, MIN 1st, and GS 1st 2022/2026. Keep the 2021 1st and do what you have to do to get Charles Bassey, who unfortunately might be playing his way into the top 10. If you cant get him, I'd offer our 1st to CHI for Gafford and a 2nd, see if I can get a nibble there. Find an undersized SG to play backup PG, and off we go:

Curry (34) / undersized SG (10) / Lee (4)
Beal (34) / Wiggins (14)
Klay (30) / Wiggins (12) / Lee (6)
Dray (26) / Paschall (10) / JTA (12)
Looney (18) / Gafford or Bassey (18) / Paschall (6) / Dray (6)

We could run circles around teams.. who are you going to leave open on the perimeter? Better have 3 great perimeter defenders.. and yea I put Lee @ PG because who cares who brings the ball up for the backups, not like Wanamaker's a real PG either

[DAWill1128]

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[tarantism]

Beal measurements and how they get reported/discussed is incredibly strange...

He's constantly talked about as being short due to being listed at 6'3 virtually everywhere... yet he measured 6'3.25 barefoot and 6'4.75 in shoes. In the past, this would almost always get listed as 6'4 or 6'5 by teams. He's one of the few players in the league that gets listed at his actual height the way it should be lol.

Not a huge deal either way, but a minor little note when it comes to if you think he's big enough to play SG (he is). Basically same size as a D Wade or numerous other guards usually listed at 6'4/6'5.

And frankly I'm still of the mind that height doesn't matter.. Tyreke was 6'4 but scraped his knuckles on the ground when he walked (7' wingspan) and you could have played him at SF easy. Hell, he could even be a PF in today's game. I mean Byron Houston was 6'5, Barkley was 6'6, Dray is 6'6.. being able to play means being able to play.

Beal would be a fantastic addition, especially if we could get him for Oubre and assets. Imagine a team where your 5-6 man guard/SF rotation was Curry/Klay/Beal/Wiggins/Lee/Poole or Mulder.. that's pretty damn good, with Wiggins/Lee/Klay all able to share the SF minutes to boot, splashed in with a little JTA.

Looney is the conversation to have right now. Whether or not he opts in is the elephant in the room.. starting him was risky because of that fact. He's worth at least the full MLE. If he definitely opted in, I'm offering Wiseman as a core piece in a Beal offer, no hesitation. Wiseman, MIN 1st, and GS 1st 2022/2026. Keep the 2021 1st and do what you have to do to get Charles Bassey, who unfortunately might be playing his way into the top 10. If you cant get him, I'd offer our 1st to CHI for Gafford and a 2nd, see if I can get a nibble there. Find an undersized SG to play backup PG, and off we go:

Curry (34) / undersized SG (10) / Lee (4)
Beal (34) / Wiggins (14)
Klay (30) / Wiggins (12) / Lee (6)
Dray (26) / Paschall (10) / JTA (12)
Looney (18) / Gafford or Bassey (18) / Paschall (6) / Dray (6)

We could run circles around teams.. who are you going to leave open on the perimeter? Better have 3 great perimeter defenders.. and yea I put Lee @ PG because who cares who brings the ball up for the backups, not like Wanamaker's a real PG either

1. That big man rotation is pitiful. I know, I know, "we never had a great big man blah blah blah".

2. Beal isn't getting traded at the deadline so for Oub the Boob to be included in a deal he would have to sign and trade, right? Which means the Wizards would have to agree to pay Oubre his next contract. I might be mistaken but he couldn't be sent to a third team as a sign and trade because they changed the rules. Again, I might be wrong, but either way some team involved would have to be ready and willing to sign Oubre to a massive deal.

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[FNQ]

Oubre S+T is not gonna happen because you can’t combine, and I believe that extends to 3 way deals.. and no one will likely do it.

[cdubbz]

Can we offer any money to Oubre Jr for his next contract or is it best option to trade him? Next season with Klay back and Oubre off the bench will be much better for depth

[FNQ]

2017 big man rotation: Zaza/Javale/Looney/Draymond/West

2018: Zaza/Javale/Bell/Draymond/West/Looney

2019: Cousins/Looney/Damian/Draymond/Jerebko

Projected lineup of Looney/Gafford/Draymond/Paschall/JTA though.. unacceptable?

[wco81]

Don't forget Damian Jones.

It seemed like they decided in KD's last year that they had to play the younger developmental players rather than stay with the old vet formula. Can't really argue with it, more athletic upside but Jones had no motor, very low rebounding rate and wasn't any better on defense than Zaza.

[ILOVEIT]

k...ready ...can we please trade Oubre...lol.

[BayWarrior]

k...ready ...can we please trade Oubre...lol.

Yes, I'd just trade him for any player who plays passable defense and makes a shot here and there.

[Mylie10]

Can we offer any money to Oubre Jr for his next contract or is it best option to trade him? Next season with Klay back and Oubre off the bench will be much better for depth

If we want to bring him back we can. We have his Bird rights so we can match any offer he might get on the open market. For the most part.

He would be good for depth with Klay back, but not sure he’d want it, and not sure the cost would be worth it. It might be worth it to sign him.....and then down the line trade him for roster depth.

We kind of need the salary slot, so even if we deal him this season, it needs to make sense for next year as well. Otherwise it’s 80 mil down the drain.

[cdubbz]

Still a fan of Austin Rivers. Dude is a straight up baller on a budget contract.

[FNQ]

Still a fan of Austin Rivers. Dude is a straight up baller on a budget contract.

Here comes Austin Rivers!

I'm sure he's a fine player now but I'll never be able to think of him without remembering that play

[FNQ]

k...ready ...can we please trade Oubre...lol.

Yes, I'd just trade him for any player who plays passable defense and makes a shot here and there.

I mean technically.. that's Oubre.

[tarantism]

We might be natural trade partners with Denver. They need big wing defenders and Oubre at least has that reputation. Something around

Oubre/Poole

For

Gary Harris

Might be good for both sides. Harris is a strong defender on the wing who can guard smalls and hit the three. He's also an excellent cutter off the ball. He's fallen out of favor a bit in Denver so Oubre could maybe get it done. Harris is also signed through next year @ 19m.

[wco81]

I don't know if Cavs are looking to clear salary for next year but they have Taurean Prince on the books for $12.25 and $13 million this season and next.

Good shooter and I remember him doing one of the best jobs of defending KD when the Warriors played the Hawks.

I don't know if GSW would have to send out more salaries.

Cavs have made some noise and are #10 in the EC so they can still contend for a play-in spot.

They also said they would NOT buy out Drummond, which playoffs contenders are looking to swoop in on in the buy out market.

So they may not be ready to trade him until maybe the deadline.

[tarantism]

I don't know if Cavs are looking to clear salary for next year but they have Taurean Prince on the books for $12.25 and $13 million this season and next.

Good shooter and I remember him doing one of the best jobs of defending KD when the Warriors played the Hawks.

I don't know if GSW would have to send out more salaries.

Cavs have made some noise and are #10 in the EC so they can still contend for a play-in spot.

They also said they would NOT buy out Drummond, which playoffs contenders are looking to swoop in on in the buy out market.

So they may not be ready to trade him until maybe the deadline.

Prince for Oubre would make sense

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[TB]

I havent paid much attention to Gary Harris or the Nuggets rotations, but his +/- numbers are the best on the Nuggets team. My guess is that he is the guy that comes out of the game for Porter Jr, who is a massive negative to their team currently. Those minutes with Porter Jr and the starters is likely what lowers to numbers for Jokic, Murray etc.

Regardless, Harris is clearly a positive for the Nuggets and not the problem. If anything Porter is their version of Oubre who seems to be tanking any lineups.

[tarantism]

I havent paid much attention to Gary Harris or the Nuggets rotations, but his +/- numbers are the best on the Nuggets team. My guess is that he is the guy that comes out of the game for Porter Jr, who is a massive negative to their team currently. Those minutes with Porter Jr and the starters is likely what lowers to numbers for Jokic, Murray etc.

Regardless, Harris is clearly a positive for the Nuggets and not the problem. If anything Porter is their version of Oubre who seems to be tanking any lineups.

The buzz around the team as I understand it is that they need another bigger athletic wing to fill the Jeremi Grant role. The best way to add a guy like that is to move either Barton or Harris most likely.

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[wco81]

The key is, will Lacob try to take on another $10-18 million salary for next season from teams looking to dump such a salary?

If they are really targeting next year as a last shot for this core to contend?

I'm not saying those deals are available yet. But they could be around the trade deadline as teams fall off.

They may have to give up a late first or a second round pick, just for the privilege of taking on a big salary for next season and maybe beyond.

But with revenues down, there isn't a big economic incentive for the team. If they could fill the stadium for the playoffs games at least, there would be an incentive there.

Still you don't see them being too competitive even with Klay back. Losing Oubre's salary slot after this year would be tough, from a competitive standpoint.

[SAKURABA216]

Could we trade Poole and a 2nd round pick to either the Kings for Mo Bamba or the Kings for Bjelica?

Bamba is out of the rotation on the Magic as Vucevic is the starter and Khem Birch is the backup and Bjelica also seems to be out of the rotation with the Kings playing their young guys ahead of him.


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