Official 2020-21 Season Thread #1: To Beard or not To Beard?

[GutUNC]

Hey guys being emotionally attached to players who currently don’t move the needle/picks that are in the hypothetical air leads to teams not doing anything of note.

When Davis was available the Lakers cashed in their chips and got a chip out of it.

Embiid has a window, thus in direct part the teams has a window. Once Embiid’s window is gone that’s it the “Process” starts again.

Hinkie is 100% right if there is a star/superstar available you better push your chips in or live to regret the decision not to.

Leonard, Harden missed because of hypothetical ceilings/potential. Not what is reality. Paul too.
They are ATG for positions respectively.

Instead we went an even worse route “playing it safe” signing & resigning Harris + Horford, how’d did that go?

If there’s a big problem solve it as quick as possible or else the problem gets worse over time.

You telling me Milton + Picks is better than 2 years of Lowry? Cmon guys. All star/All NBA player > than that package not close.

Same with Ben + co for Leonard/Harden/Beal.
Talent is talent.

Don’t end up in a Barkley/Iverson situation all over again. Either way Morey for sure won’t let happen.
I’m guessing after this playoffs for better or worse some changes will be made. It’s about time too.


MJ: Players win chips. No you arrogant Goat

Krause: Management has the biggest say in whether a club is successful. Looks can be deceiving but he’s a 100000% correct in this situation.

Tex Winter
Triangle
Firing Doug for Phil
Trading Jordan’s mate Oakley for Cartwright
Grant
Pippen
Kukoc
Rodman
Harper
Armstrong

Make no mistake Krause earned his 2x EOY without Jordan. No doubt he’d have this team right where it needs to be right now.I it would have been ten times easier to achieve even with the Fultz fiasco (we had a literal warchest and opportunity’s and as the years pass the same thing occurs).

You typed out 1000 words to try to make 1 year of Kyle Lowry analogous with an extended Anthony Davis/2 years of James Harden/1 year of Kawhi. That's apples:chainsaws.

Trading for the latter 3 makes you a contender; Lowry - while a good fit - doesn't.

[DCasey91]

Yes it’s an analogy but no less correct

I’d happily take 1 year of Leonard, couple of years of Harden or Paul’s contract over anything that we can put together. All of those propositions is far superior to what anything that management has achieved thus far.

Heck Embiid + Lowry supersedes any combo of this teams structure. Those that think otherwise are wrong.

There was a discussion about Bledsoe... really?

Going around in circles swapping the same role players only leads to diminishing returns when the core hasn’t been remedied.

Guys Harris is our 2nd option from now, this year and the year after and beyond. Any hypothetical ceiling is null in void entirely. That’s the reality to work under this team.

Jokic + Murray 2x WF in a row it’s not that hard at all.

Elite two way big men with the “right” build around it has at minimum:

ECF, Mulitple ECF’s, Finals, Chips or Chips at the base minimum. Look up history if you don’t believe me.

Heck even less help or non ideal teams went to EF/WF’s, finals, even a championship or two (Hakeem/Nowitzki)
Garnett carried a crap team around him
Howard too
this aren’t even tier 1 teams historically.

7 years and counting. No pg, no sg (butler half a season). Hopefully Morey understands it.

[Negrodamus]

Yes it’s an analogy but no less correct

I’d happily take 1 year of Leonard, couple of years of Harden or Paul’s contract over anything that we can put together. All of those propositions is far superior to what anything that management has achieved thus far.

Heck Embiid + Lowry supersedes any combo of this teams structure. Those that think otherwise are wrong.

There was a discussion about Bledsoe... really?

Going around in circles swapping the same role players only leads to diminishing returns when the core hasn’t been remedied.

Guys Harris is our 2nd option from now, this year and the year after and beyond. Any hypothetical ceiling is null in void entirely. That’s the reality to work under this team.

Jokic + Murray 2x WF in a row it’s not that hard at all.

Elite two way big men with the “right” build around it has at minimum:

ECF, Mulitple ECF’s, Finals, Chips or Chips at the base minimum. Look up history if you don’t believe me.

Heck even less help or non ideal teams went to EF/WF’s, finals, even a championship or two (Hakeem/Nowitzki)
Garnett carried a crap team around him
Howard too
this aren’t even tier 1 teams historically.

7 years and counting. No pg, no sg (butler half a season). Hopefully Morey understands it.

You're conflating a small trade for Bledsoe with burning current and future assets for an almost 35 year old PG on an expiring contract. Lowry is a good player; he's not some shoo-in NBA Finals addition like Kawhi or AD. If there was a disgruntled star worth burning assets for, I'm all ears, but that doesn't look likely this season. So until then, I'm more than willing to rearrange/consolidate middling role player assets in hoping that they fit with Embiid/have more value in the playoffs, especially on the defensive end.

[DCasey91]

The players that fit with Embiid:

All star/ All NBA SG
All star/All NBA PG

It’s super duper simple when it’s like that. We have neither.

Rearranging bit parts when the engine isn’t optimal leads to the same/worse results consistently.

Was it Einstein with the doing the same thing leads to insanity quote?

With the Sixers it’s De Ja Vu. (Except for the time we had Butler lol). That was a legit chance. The other three times we were just making up the numbers as they say.

[Negrodamus]

I don't think Albert meant do ANYTHING just to break the loop. He certainly wasn't thinking about trading young assets to make a 35 year old PG work with a star center for 5 months.

[Arsenal]

I don't think Albert meant do ANYTHING just to break the loop. He certainly wasn't thinking about trading young assets to make a 35 year old PG work with a star center for 5 months.

Yeah imagine claiming Albert freaking Einstein would be in support of such a short-sighted move lol.

[DCasey91]

I don't think Albert meant do ANYTHING just to break the loop. He certainly wasn't thinking about trading young assets to make a 35 year old PG work with a star center for 5 months.

Yeah imagine claiming Albert freaking Einstein would be in support of such a short-sighted move lol.

Yeah what was I thinking, he’d fully support every move we’ve done since the butler deal.

The cognitive dissonance is real lol

[76ciology]

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I have not subscribed to cleaning the glass. So I asked someone.

Sixers is 20th on halfcourt offense, 16th on transition.

So that should answer your “but the game slows down in the playoffs”

[Tomjas]

Simmons is an incredible defender and brings so many things to the table that his impact is almost impossible to replace by anyone short of LeBron

He’s obviously not as good as James but he makes a massive number of big plays at both ends of the floor

Trading him for the likes of Beal or LaVine is destined for failure as it turns us into Walmart Nets

Tobi’s trade value is the key

[GutUNC]

Yes it’s an analogy but no less correct

I’d happily take 1 year of Leonard, couple of years of Harden or Paul’s contract over anything that we can put together. All of those propositions is far superior to what anything that management has achieved thus far.

Heck Embiid + Lowry supersedes any combo of this teams structure. Those that think otherwise are wrong.

There was a discussion about Bledsoe... really?

Going around in circles swapping the same role players only leads to diminishing returns when the core hasn’t been remedied.

Guys Harris is our 2nd option from now, this year and the year after and beyond. Any hypothetical ceiling is null in void entirely. That’s the reality to work under this team.

Jokic + Murray 2x WF in a row it’s not that hard at all.

Elite two way big men with the “right” build around it has at minimum:

ECF, Mulitple ECF’s, Finals, Chips or Chips at the base minimum. Look up history if you don’t believe me.

Heck even less help or non ideal teams went to EF/WF’s, finals, even a championship or two (Hakeem/Nowitzki)
Garnett carried a crap team around him
Howard too
this aren’t even tier 1 teams historically.

7 years and counting. No pg, no sg (butler half a season). Hopefully Morey understands it.

We're all aware of that. But bleeding assets to get an incomplete temporary fix doesn't solve that problem. That's why a Lowry rental isn't the same conversation as the one's you referenced.

[76ciology]

Simmons is an incredible defender and brings so many things to the table that his impact is almost impossible to replace by anyone short of LeBron

He’s obviously not as good as James but he makes a massive number of big plays at both ends of the floor

Trading him for the likes of Beal or LaVine is destined for failure as it turns us into Walmart Nets

Tobi’s trade value is the key

Im not promoting trading Ben for Lavine or Beal, although I’d like to.

But saying we’re going to be “walmart Nets” is wrong IMO.

You mean we’re going to play the Nets game of trying to outscore teams and not play any defense also?

We can take two steps forward on offense and take a small step back on defense by trading for Beal or Lavine then get a 3&D like Roco archetype 3&D wing.

The reason I dont care about this idea right now is I dont think Wiz and Bulls are going to look to trade Beal or Lavine this season.

[DCasey91]

Yes it’s an analogy but no less correct

I’d happily take 1 year of Leonard, couple of years of Harden or Paul’s contract over anything that we can put together. All of those propositions is far superior to what anything that management has achieved thus far.

Heck Embiid + Lowry supersedes any combo of this teams structure. Those that think otherwise are wrong.

There was a discussion about Bledsoe... really?

Going around in circles swapping the same role players only leads to diminishing returns when the core hasn’t been remedied.

Guys Harris is our 2nd option from now, this year and the year after and beyond. Any hypothetical ceiling is null in void entirely. That’s the reality to work under this team.

Jokic + Murray 2x WF in a row it’s not that hard at all.

Elite two way big men with the “right” build around it has at minimum:

ECF, Mulitple ECF’s, Finals, Chips or Chips at the base minimum. Look up history if you don’t believe me.

Heck even less help or non ideal teams went to EF/WF’s, finals, even a championship or two (Hakeem/Nowitzki)
Garnett carried a crap team around him
Howard too
this aren’t even tier 1 teams historically.

7 years and counting. No pg, no sg (butler half a season). Hopefully Morey understands it.

We're all aware of that. But bleeding assets to get an incomplete temporary fix doesn't solve that problem. That's why a Lowry rental isn't the same conversation as the one's you referenced.

If the negotiations were a guarantee 2 year resign in a backroom sort of deal for Lowry

I wouldn’t think twice about Milton + a pick and salary filler. Talent is Talent. That isn’t bleeding assets at all. Trading for Harris then maxing him out and he’s not and never been an all star type talent and worse yet isn’t ideal with either. Embiid/Simmons (Harris ain’t a elite scorer, ain’t a pg ain’t a sg) now that’s a bleed and then some.

I’m all for an Embiid/Simmons core provided the third (2nd best player on our team) can solve the problems we consistently have.

What I’m not for is holding onto our ideally 3rd best player (Simmons) for someone that is certainly better and certainly better for the team and Embiid.

It’s like shifting up one place (i.e trading 3rd position for 2nd) You should always do that, always.

We all know what player needs to come here to be a legit contender let’s not kid ourselves. If Ben is collateral so be it. If there’s a chance to hold onto Ben and move Harris (he’s playing as well as he’s ever has so his stock/value is topped out), then strike, if someone is available that fits right in with Embiid & Simmons.
The bind is after Harris is a failure (being the best option on the outside offense is a massive problem down in the playoffs) will then tank his value. The ship has sailed.

I’d def be open to trading Harris for role players too . Smaller contract sizes/less timeframe. If he was paid 20+ mill for 3-4 years no one would bat an eyelid. But at his contract it’s a massive overpay.

We’ve doubled down on the wrong horses so many times it’ll come back to bite you on the bum.
If you fail, fail quick. Don’t let it linger.

Moving Horford/Richardson was a great start. Morey knows what he’s doing.

[GutUNC]

I think the key here is that you think an ahead of time 2 year extension on a 34-year old Lowry is a good thing and I do not. The type of money he'll want to stay out of free agency is not money I want to give to a guy at that age who we assume makes the team better (we don't know for certain) but doesn't make them a true contender. So you're back in to hurting your cap and taking away the opportunity to try to get Beal or the next disgruntled superstar because you're moving 3 quality young assets.

The Sixers need a home run piece. You're suggesting trading the other pieces needed to hit that home run on a ground rule double.

[sixers4real]

I think it's clear to everybody that we need a guard who can create in half court offence. And we need both Simmons and Embiid. I predict Morey will make a trade at deadline. We have assets and expirings to go for a good/great guard.

As currently constructed we are not winning a chip, its quite simple.

[VDT]

Meh, the team has a good chemistry and players have found and accepted their roles. Is it a title team? Probably no. Do they look better than they really are because of the easy schedule and everyone in the league being mediocre, for whatever reason, thus far? Yes.

Still i wouldnt do major changes unless we got a clear upgrade, like Harden. Shaking things up by making largely lateral moves may do more harm that good in our case.

[sixers4real]

It’s been almost a month since NO Harden trade, how do you guys feel about it now? I know not enough time has passed, just curious.

Do you think we will regret not making a trade come playoff time?

I was upset when we did not get Harden, but I feel much better now. In Morey (and Embiid) I trust

[76ciology]

It’s been almost a month since NO Harden trade, how do you guys feel about it now? I know not enough time has passed, just curious.

Do you think we will regret not making a trade come playoff time?

I was upset when we did not get Harden, but I feel much better now. In Morey (and Embiid) I trust

I dont regret it because i think ultimately Morey tried his best but it was really rigged and Fertita just uses him as leverage. Morey never really had a chance except maybe in a lopsided trade for the Rockets like Wall and Harden for Embiid and Ben.

Lately ive been focusing on what i can and i can’t control in life, during this pandemic. And I feel you can’t force teams to trade their stars, so for the mean time i’d probably just enjoy the Russian roulette experience with this team on crunch time.

While I’d stay away wasting even a second contemplating about guys like lowry.

[elchengue20]

Yeah, we were used as leverage.

I wanted to get Harden for the right price (and that was pretty high one). It just wasn't possible. You can be sure has hell Morey tried.

We shoudn't have any regrets about Harden, asking price was just too much for us.

[DCasey91]

Watch on YouTube

We’ve harped on all these notions in the sub before
But it really hits home on uncomfortable truths.

- Embiid’s passing
- The duos low synchronized ceiling compared to other elite duos.
- Gotta think long term with the 76ers. Harris can’t be here long term for us to have any chance to win it all.


Look if we had Prime Leonard/Kobe/MJ heck even A.I we’d be right there in the thick of it with Embiid/Simmons, no one would bat an eyelid
But we don’t.

Embiid is a championship level 1/2 best player team anything short of an ideal team around him is a failure/disappointment in my eyes. I’m all for keeping Ben unless if it’s for the required outside threat.

Committee never works. Even on stacked teams their committee was super nuanced for their respective respective teams.

I.e bogut, Livingston,iggy, Horry, battier, green, Caruso, Rondo heaps of examples that were elite role players because they were just good all round basketball players.

That’s why I’m never to high on shooters/scorers and scorers alone. There has to be more nuance in your game as a roleplayer.
(Thybulle is the best out of youngsters to do that 35% 3, lower the foul rate, elite switchable D, but even he doesn’t scale the high for that well rounded roleplayer (lower scoring potential then even Danny Green).

[76ciology]

Biid and Ben PnR showed some improvement in the Blazers game. Ben may have some upside with that hook shot.