Lonzo Ball Thread (UPDATE: Bulls Offer Sato + 2nd Round picks)

[HomoSapien]

No reason to keep Sato and Lonzo both on the roster. Feels like it's one or the other.

[Jcool0]

He’s not the primary ball handler, Bledsoe is and the pelicans have zero floor spacing. Also Lonzo basically playing a 3-D SG

Bledsoe is not the primary ball handler. He is averaging 3.7 ppg. He has been playing SG almost 60% of the time this season. Lonzo has been PG 99% of the time.

Do you watch the games? They resorted him to being a spot up shooter , their lineup placement is not how they play

Just because you want him to be good... Doesn't mean he is going to be good.

[StunnerKO]

Bledsoe is not the primary ball handler. He is averaging 3.7 ppg. He has been playing SG almost 60% of the time this season. Lonzo has been PG 99% of the time.

Do you watch the games? They resorted him to being a spot up shooter , their lineup placement is not how they play

Just because you want him to be good... Doesn't mean he is going to be good.

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[sco]

Bledsoe/Lonzo for Porter/Hutch works $-wise if they want wing depth.

[StunnerKO]

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[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

We need Lonzo. He’d make everyone better and he can play D. It’s been a no-brainer for the past few years

[VolumePoster]

We need Lonzo. He’d make everyone better and he can play D. It’s been a no-brainer for the past few years

Moving out of our price range though. Value likely close to Lauri at this point given the contract situation. Lauri for Alonzo and assets might work depending on the asset.

[DorO]

Lonzo’s shooting was mostly very good at his time in UCLA, then in NBA 3 first seasons it did not work but now he has got the shooting back. D and bbiq have always been there. I’d swap Lauri right away and some fillers plus 2nd rounder.

[fleet]

We need Lonzo. He’d make everyone better and he can play D. It’s been a no-brainer for the past few years

Moving out of our price range though. Value likely close to Lauri at this point given the contract situation. Lauri for Alonzo and assets might work depending on the asset.

Lauri is moving down in value by every injury. I sure wouldn’t want to be tied to him on a long contract. I’m ready to try something else. Anyway, TY is a player I’d be willing to deal if Lonzo is rising.

[Axolotl]

I haven't really seen enough of Lonzo to assess him, but what I've gathered is that he can't shoot, can't ballhandle in pick and roll, can't create in half court, can't finish at the rim; but is a pretty good defender and passer, and effective in running fast breaks.

What I'm wondering about is how would the Bulls play with Lonzo at the point, because if what I've gathered is indeed true, there would be changes.

[DroseReturnChi]

We need Lonzo. He’d make everyone better and he can play D. It’s been a no-brainer for the past few years

Moving out of our price range though. Value likely close to Lauri at this point given the contract situation. Lauri for Alonzo and assets might work depending on the asset.

Lauri has no place for Pelicans. Carter is the best scenario followed by Thad Young. At worst, give up unlikely conveyed pick.

[fleet]

Multiple league sources told Action Network that Chicago is (currently) the most likely landing spot for Ball. That’s based on multiple factors, including the preference of both Ball and his agent, Rich Paul, Chicago’s interest in making a roster move and the Pelicans’ openness to discussions

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-new-orleans-pelicans-lonzo-ball-trade-talks-rumors-resurgence-good-pairing

Anytime a high profile Hollywood type of player actually selects the Bulls as a preferred destination, Chicago should pinch itself. Even if not a top tier guy. This is something new. We should get him just for the publicity.

[netduri2]

Gar Forman must be so proud of you guys who are eager to bring Lonzo to the Bulls.

Gar was really interested in trading for him before he got fired. I'm so happy he got fired. He has terrible basketball mind and has no idea how to build a reliable team.

[fleet]

Gar Forman must be so proud of you guys who are eager to bring Lonzo to the Bulls.

Gar was really interested in trading for him before he got fired. I'm so happy he got fired. He has terrible basketball mind and has no idea how to build a reliable team.

Fascinating, because he is now working for the Pelicans, so is still trying to procure Lonzo for the Bulls.

[Hugi Mancura]

He is shooting better than Coby this year, so claiming he can't shoot is as much true as a claim Coby can't shoot. But I do agree that Lonzo is not a good shooter.

But that's not the reason why teams would take Lonzo. They don't expect to get a great shooter. They expect to get good defender who can pass the ball on open court. You still need to defend 50% of the time you are on the court. So player can impact on winning as much on defense as they do on offense. People just ignore it, because it is very hard to measure, so people define how good players are purely based on their offense. If we compare Lonzo and Coby, players are shooting 10% lower against Lonzo than they are against Coby. Lonzo ball has biggest impact on defense of all NOP players who get meaningful playing time (Adams is second best). Coby has second worst defensive impact from players who get meaningful playing time (only Lavine is lousier). If NOP would offer Lonzo for Coby I would take in heartbeat. Only thing where Coby has advantage is his age and his contract.

Contract is the biggest problem with Lonzo. It ends after this summer. His cap hold would be even higher than Lauri's so as long they don't release him and make him free agent and if they do release him that then this seems like a meaningless trade. Lonzo's cap hold would be 33M (Lauri's 16M). There would be still enough for one max player, but not room for multiple. But there ain't any max player available, so maybe this is not that important.

Trade options. NOP wants something valuable in return and probably something younger. They probably need backup forwards more than anything. To be honest I like the idea of snatching Adams too, but I really doubt NOP is ready for that because they signed him quite good contract for two years after the trade. If they add Adams then Bulls should be ready to lose their first pick in 2021.

Lauri? but Zion is PF and Ingram is SF, so would it make sense on NOP's point of view? Their big man rotation would be Zion, Lauri, Adams and Hayes. But their problem after that would be Lauri's next contract. Would he be a backup for Zion and if so then paying him big bucks would not make sense. It is not a Bulls problem, but it might be a problem enough for NOP to say no. At least Lonzo doesn't play the same spot as their young superstar, so this trade would make little sense from NOP's point of view. Unless they have clever ideas of moving Ingram to SG spot and play Lauri as SF. So most likely this would only work if there would be a third team involved. Adding Adams to this trade makes most sense.

Coby. Well Coby would be moved to sixth man if Lonzo arrives. So would be smarter to move him in this trade? NOP has lot of guards and they are mostly SG's. They also have this 19 year old kid, who haven't really shined yet, so Coby as a part in this trade would even make some sense to NOP too. Probably more than Lauri, unless NOP want's to reach playoffs this season.

Is NOP's goal to get to playoffs this season? If so, then adding two of Sato, Thad and Temple to this deal might be what they want. Thad would improve their big man rotation behind Adams and Zion. Sato would bring versatility because he can defend 3 spots. So Thad/Sato/(Temple or Coby. Coby because if they want something younger. Temple if they want success this year) for Lonzo/Redick (needed to make salaries match). Even getting Lonzo making this trade would really weaken Bulls chance to get to playoff this year.

If we add Adams. Would Lonzo/Adams for WCJ/Sato/Porter + 2021 or 2022 1:st round pick sound impossible?

[StunnerKO]

We can’t get Adams he can’t be traded for months because he signed a new deal

[DroseReturnChi]

Multiple league sources told Action Network that Chicago is (currently) the most likely landing spot for Ball. That’s based on multiple factors, including the preference of both Ball and his agent, Rich Paul, Chicago’s interest in making a roster move and the Pelicans’ openness to discussions

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-new-orleans-pelicans-lonzo-ball-trade-talks-rumors-resurgence-good-pairing

Anytime a high profile Hollywood type of player actually selects the Bulls as a preferred destination, Chicago should pinch itself. Even if not a top tier guy. This is something new. We should get him just for the publicity.

This is another unexpected outcome for acquiring the balls. these guys are literally celebrities they command more attention than your crappy team and the bulls social media sucks they need some exposure even if its bad. Ball getting a deal with Adidas would be huge for Chicago too earning millions of dollars of advertisement worth. You consider those off ball factors Lonzo is worth every penny as long as he dont get paid more than 15 per yr.

[Bulldog23]

Lonzo for Sato. Nothing more or less.

[sco]

Lonzo for Sato. Nothing more or less.

I'd do Val plus Hutch...$ work.

[SfBull]

I was against trading for Lonzo before but now after watching how bad Coby's experiment as pg is going on I'm rooting for some trade who can get Lonzo for the Bulls.We need a better pg to fight for a playoff spot.