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Post#481 » by LuessiT » Sat Feb 6, 2021 6:00 pm

Prez wrote:Have to say, as much as I want PJ Tucker, some of the numbers on him this year are concerning. Bottom 5 in the entire league in RPM, bottom 15 in RAPM, Rockets 11 points per 100 worse with him on court, 6.4 PER, -3.7 BPM..I honestly haven’t watched a ton of Rockets, is he just sorta done at 35 or is it a George Hill on the Kings type situation where he’ll be good again the moment he gets to a contender?


I have only watched four Rockets games so my insight is limited but from what I've seen it's kind of both. His effort is way down, wether that is because he's over the hill or not motivated playing for a mediocre team idk. Rockets are also not switching nearly as much, which seriously limits his impact on defense.
I'd still want him because imo he's a perfect fit, but it's at least argueable if he's positive value on his current contract.
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Post#482 » by crowhead76 » Sat Feb 6, 2021 6:00 pm

Signing Ersan and sending DJW and SRP to Chicago for Temple might make sense as her can play 1-3. Allows them to play DJA/Forbes more with starters and strengthens the bench considerably. Issues with dividing minutes though.

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Post#483 » by crkone » Sat Feb 6, 2021 6:00 pm

I think in Brook's defense (pun intended) the guard defender needs to be more effective at cutting off the big man when the guard goes for the floater. Brook is in no man's land trying to protect the rim and the guard the floater. DDV is the only one on the team that seems to bait the pass to the rolling big for the steal.

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Post#484 » by drdrG » Sat Feb 6, 2021 6:31 pm

crkone wrote:I think in Brook's defense (pun intended) the guard defender needs to be more effective at cutting off the big man when the guard goes for the floater. Brook is in no man's land trying to protect the rim and the guard the floater. DDV is the only one on the team that seems to bait the pass to the rolling big for the steal.


I think Holiday is pretty good at this too. I just see Brook giving ground to these guards who are just meandering into the paint and it's a shootaround floater. I'd like to see him stay a little higher and make the guards actually attack the rim or make that floater from 3 feet further out.
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Post#485 » by skones » Sat Feb 6, 2021 6:32 pm

midranger wrote:I tend to think people are remembering 2 years ago brook who altered literally everything, and ignoring post bubble that didn’t alter any Goran Dragic 5 foot floaters in an entire 6 game series, and Doug McDermott was licking his lips to challenge on curl layups multiple trips in a row


I tend to think people are trying to overcorrect. Brook isn't as good as he was two years ago. That doesn't mean you can afford to remove him from the roster for bit pieces and expect that it makes you better. He's still more than serviceable and a positive impact player for us.
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Post#486 » by skones » Sat Feb 6, 2021 6:37 pm

Prez wrote:Have to say, as much as I want PJ Tucker, some of the numbers on him this year are concerning. Bottom 5 in the entire league in RPM, bottom 15 in RAPM, Rockets 11 points per 100 worse with him on court, 6.4 PER, -3.7 BPM..I honestly haven’t watched a ton of Rockets, is he just sorta done at 35 or is it a George Hill on the Kings type situation where he’ll be good again the moment he gets to a contender?


He's done. Hill was 31. PJ Tucker turns 36 in 3 months. Tucker is a complete negative on O and his defense has slipped to the point where he's neutral. For a team that's sorely lacked dynamism on O for a couple of years now, Tucker gives you nothing and his defense (or meh defense thereof) isn't going to fix anything.
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Post#487 » by raferfenix » Sat Feb 6, 2021 7:47 pm

If the Bucks want to sign Ersan, do we need to make a move to avoid the hard cap?

And / or how does that impact trades?

Could see us sending out Wilson in particular in anticipation of a return of the Turkish Thunder.
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Post#488 » by raferfenix » Sat Feb 6, 2021 7:51 pm

Not sure what we’d get back but could imagine Hammond valuing Augustin as a PG familiar with their system to pick up midseason to fill in for Fultz going down.

Thinking about what teams might value DJA in general. It’d be early for the Bucks to cut bait but we don’t have many tradeable contracts if we want to add a piece of some kind.
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Post#489 » by skones » Sat Feb 6, 2021 8:20 pm

raferfenix wrote:If the Bucks want to sign Ersan, do we need to make a move to avoid the hard cap?

And / or how does that impact trades?

Could see us sending out Wilson in particular in anticipation of a return of the Turkish Thunder.


We basically have to wait until the prorated portion of the league minimum fits under the hard cap. I think we've got around 440-450k or something like that. I think that puts us around game 60. A pure DJW salary dump would allow us to sign Ersan plus another player at our leisure.
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Post#490 » by buckbeer » Sun Feb 7, 2021 1:05 am

Trade Wilson for Mike Muscala
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Post#491 » by giannis and 1 » Sun Feb 7, 2021 2:35 am

I want Lavine on this team.
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Post#492 » by giannis and 1 » Sun Feb 7, 2021 2:36 am

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Prez wrote:Have to say, as much as I want PJ Tucker, some of the numbers on him this year are concerning. Bottom 5 in the entire league in RPM, bottom 15 in RAPM, Rockets 11 points per 100 worse with him on court, 6.4 PER, -3.7 BPM..I honestly haven’t watched a ton of Rockets, is he just sorta done at 35 or is it a George Hill on the Kings type situation where he’ll be good again the moment he gets to a contender?


He's done. Hill was 31. PJ Tucker turns 36 in 3 months. Tucker is a complete negative on O and his defense has slipped to the point where he's neutral. For a team that's sorely lacked dynamism on O for a couple of years now, Tucker gives you nothing and his defense (or meh defense thereof) isn't going to fix anything.

Yeah the time to acquire Tucker has passed. He's cooked.
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Post#493 » by Coach Carter » Sun Feb 7, 2021 2:40 am

I would take lonzo right now.
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Post#494 » by LuessiT » Sun Feb 7, 2021 2:43 am

Coach Carter wrote:I would take lonzo right now.


I mean sure I'd take him but we'd probably have to send out Brook the other way just to match salaries. And I'm not sure New Orleans wants Brook and we would need a decent center back.
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Post#495 » by giannis and 1 » Sun Feb 7, 2021 2:46 am

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Coach Carter wrote:I would take lonzo right now.


I mean sure I'd take him but we'd probably have to send out Brook the other way just to match salaries. And I'm not sure New Orleans wants Brook and we would need a decent center back.

If we made that trade I would try to get Holmes from the Kings. Do you think Wilson + 2 2nds would be enough?
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Post#496 » by LuessiT » Sun Feb 7, 2021 2:49 am

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Coach Carter wrote:I would take lonzo right now.


I mean sure I'd take him but we'd probably have to send out Brook the other way just to match salaries. And I'm not sure New Orleans wants Brook and we would need a decent center back.

If we made that trade I would try to get Holmes from the Kings. Do you think Wilson + 2 2nds would be enough?


I very much doubt it. Also we're too close to the hard cap to make that work (though that may change with other trades).
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Post#497 » by giannis and 1 » Sun Feb 7, 2021 2:55 am

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I mean sure I'd take him but we'd probably have to send out Brook the other way just to match salaries. And I'm not sure New Orleans wants Brook and we would need a decent center back.

If we made that trade I would try to get Holmes from the Kings. Do you think Wilson + 2 2nds would be enough?


I very much doubt it. Also we're too close to the hard cap to make that work (though that may change with other trades).

How many more 2nds would it need lol.
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Post#498 » by LuessiT » Sun Feb 7, 2021 3:07 am

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giannis and 1 wrote:If we made that trade I would try to get Holmes from the Kings. Do you think Wilson + 2 2nds would be enough?


I very much doubt it. Also we're too close to the hard cap to make that work (though that may change with other trades).

How many more 2nds would it need lol.


He's a starter and the last years FO saw him as a core piece. Not sure how the current sees him.
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Post#499 » by giannis and 1 » Sun Feb 7, 2021 3:11 am

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I very much doubt it. Also we're too close to the hard cap to make that work (though that may change with other trades).

How many more 2nds would it need lol.


He's a starter and the last years FO saw him as a core piece. Not sure how the current sees him.

That's unfortunate lol. I was hoping that they would try to trade him to make room for Bagley, but based on the rumour that they are trying to trade Bjelica, they probably see Bagley as a PWF.
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Post#500 » by DingleJerry » Sun Feb 7, 2021 3:29 am

Prince again looked fine to me. Not a bad backup wing at all, can hit 3s and shoot off the dribble, quick release. Skills we've lacked in the playoffs. I'd prefer to do it with DJA+DJW if possible instead of Brook.

Someone mentioned Orl might value DJA. Ross could be a guy coming back from them that makes sense. Similar guy to Prince.
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