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pepe1991 wrote:Tuned in Warriors- Mavs saw 106-103, thought it was final score, figued it's just end of 3rd quater.
within 2 years we will have players averaging 40ppg a game and every starter will be 20 ppg player.
Teams do nothing nowdays but shoot 3s, it's ridicilous basketball at this point.
MoMM wrote:pepe1991 wrote:Tuned in Warriors- Mavs saw 106-103, thought it was final score, figued it's just end of 3rd quater.
within 2 years we will have players averaging 40ppg a game and every starter will be 20 ppg player.
Teams do nothing nowdays but shoot 3s, it's ridicilous basketball at this point.
Steph shot 19 balls for 3, some years ago that was the average for a whole team during a game.
pepe1991 wrote:MoMM wrote:pepe1991 wrote:Tuned in Warriors- Mavs saw 106-103, thought it was final score, figued it's just end of 3rd quater.
within 2 years we will have players averaging 40ppg a game and every starter will be 20 ppg player.
Teams do nothing nowdays but shoot 3s, it's ridicilous basketball at this point.
Steph shot 19 balls for 3, some years ago that was the average for a whole team during a game.
Yep, in season 2012-13, teams averaged 20 three point attemps a game and made 7, nowdays almost every game 1 player makes on it's own at least 3 threes.
Biggest issue is how regular season stats really have no value any more. Nobody really plays defense.
Last playoffs was even bigger slug-fest of garbage. Teams were shooting near 40 threes a game. In playoffs.
Despite playing half court basketball.
I just don't enjoy tuning in game and watch it, there is so much terrible sequences where random scrub sets pick , passes to nobody and takes three point attemp with 19 sec on shot clock that sport in general turned into gimmicky garbage.
tiderulz wrote:pepe1991 wrote:MoMM wrote:Steph shot 19 balls for 3, some years ago that was the average for a whole team during a game.
Yep, in season 2012-13, teams averaged 20 three point attemps a game and made 7, nowdays almost every game 1 player makes on it's own at least 3 threes.
Biggest issue is how regular season stats really have no value any more. Nobody really plays defense.
Last playoffs was even bigger slug-fest of garbage. Teams were shooting near 40 threes a game. In playoffs.
Despite playing half court basketball.
I just don't enjoy tuning in game and watch it, there is so much terrible sequences where random scrub sets pick , passes to nobody and takes three point attemp with 19 sec on shot clock that sport in general turned into gimmicky garbage.
the game changes. in history, you could practically be football tackled as a hard foul going to the basket. now it is a flagrant foul. you could hand check, now you cant. people also looked at analytics and encouraged more 3 pt shots and less midrange and long 2's. there also wasnt a shot clock. the game will always change. American football did too. allowing 2 pt conversions in the NFL, changed the way you would tackle, where you could hit players, etc. it is what it is.
next they will do that new way to end a game (10pt lead or whatever it is) vs FT contests for 4 minutes game time that takes an hour of real time.
pepe1991 wrote:tiderulz wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
Yep, in season 2012-13, teams averaged 20 three point attemps a game and made 7, nowdays almost every game 1 player makes on it's own at least 3 threes.
Biggest issue is how regular season stats really have no value any more. Nobody really plays defense.
Last playoffs was even bigger slug-fest of garbage. Teams were shooting near 40 threes a game. In playoffs.
Despite playing half court basketball.
I just don't enjoy tuning in game and watch it, there is so much terrible sequences where random scrub sets pick , passes to nobody and takes three point attemp with 19 sec on shot clock that sport in general turned into gimmicky garbage.
the game changes. in history, you could practically be football tackled as a hard foul going to the basket. now it is a flagrant foul. you could hand check, now you cant. people also looked at analytics and encouraged more 3 pt shots and less midrange and long 2's. there also wasnt a shot clock. the game will always change. American football did too. allowing 2 pt conversions in the NFL, changed the way you would tackle, where you could hit players, etc. it is what it is.
next they will do that new way to end a game (10pt lead or whatever it is) vs FT contests for 4 minutes game time that takes an hour of real time.
Took nba some time to pick it up, mainly because there was not enough smart coaches and/or analytics to figure out there is no benefit of shooting average of 38%-40% for mid range, if almost every good player can make between 33-38% for 3 and that shot has bigger reward. Excuse used to be "but nba 3 is longer" ... never really made any sense but whatever.
But what i hate is how there is no style any more. I had some casual conversation with my friend who used to be nba friend and he told me something interesting. He pretty much said that every nba team looks the same to him. And it striked me hard. You look how Clippers ( nba's best offense) and Cavs ( nba's worst offense ) play. Scheme is same. It's just pick&roll, double horns , floppy screen/ pick&pop basic action and 3 point barage. Difference between league's best and league's worst defense is nothing more than 3 point efficiency. Clippers lead league in 3% and Cavs are 5th worst. So it's just level of talent and three ball percentage and virtually nothing else that sets them apart.
Also, in past it was somewhat menagable to have average to mediocre team and great coaching could pull them up for another level. Nowdays, no way. Coaches can't do anything. You flat out can't compete with 1 allstar and at least 3 above average shooters and elite ballhandler.
jonbob17 wrote:The Ringer's latest power rankings, where we sit 29th. The national media all have us between 27-29. I know these are just for fun, but I am really surprised how good this team is at losing given how hard they try. Injuries sure, but we have also faced a lot of teams dealing with injuries and COVID related absences. Would this team be good should everybody be healthy? How good can this team be with Vuc as it's best player? I wonder.
Orlando Magic 29 - The Ringer
Teams can help young players improve in two primary ways. One, by working with the player on the practice court and in the film room, where coaches and veterans can help guide their training. Teams like the Spurs and Raptors have excelled in that area for many years, but those two franchises and others also utilize the second method to help young players: playing time, whether it’s in the G League or in the NBA. This is the area in which Orlando isn’t nurturing Bamba’s development.
Bamba finds himself in the Big Red Dog house of Magic head coach Steve Clifford, appearing in only nine games while receiving the far majority of his minutes in garbage time. In a recent interview with The Athletic, Clifford said Bamba is riding the bench because center is the team’s “best position by far,” with Nikola Vucevic and Khem Birch routinely playing ahead of Bamba. Clifford prioritizes playing veterans, not an inexperienced big who hasn’t impacted winning. But in Clifford’s own words, Birch is one of their “best five or six players right now.” Birch is a rock-solid center who could be in a regular-season rotation for many teams. But if he’s one of your top players, your team is gonna lose a lot. Indeed, the Magic are 9-15 with the second-worst net rating in the league. Which begs the question of why Birch is playing ahead of a player the Magic drafted sixth in 2018.
This is a sign of nasty dysfunction. If Bamba is gonna end up a bust, let’s see it on the court. Bamba is perceived as a low-effort player, but when he’s been provided opportunities this season, I’ve seen him consistently hustle. The past two seasons, he often looked clunky and underdeveloped. But this season, he’s looked more fluid than ever on both ends of the court.
On Saturday, Bamba had his best game against the Bulls. Clifford’s primary rotation trailed by 31 points entering the fourth quarter. Then Bamba played the entire final frame. His size was a deterrent around the rim on multiple Zach LaVine drives and on three other blocks. He hustled for rebounds and on transition chances. He scored 14 points by finishing lobs, attacking a closeout, and hitting jumpers. Bamba looked like a player who could help the Magic, or another team, win more games.
MagicFan4Lyfe wrote:These idiots continue destroying this team. It is unreal how there is ZERO accountability with this organization. They can get away with it because of garbage Orlando media and the blog writers who are more concerned about kissing Martins a$$ and their press passes rather than really asking the tough questions. This franchise is a clown show.
Skybox wrote:Somebody younger and smarter than me please make a
"THANKS MARTINS"
meme that we can post anytime something goes wrong. Seriously, I don't think I've seen or heard from that guy since the WeHam intro
I hope so. I like Birch but Bamba needs to be the primary backup. And we could probably get at least a high 2nd for Birch.fklt wrote:I think a trade for birch is incoming.
Skybox wrote:Somebody younger and smarter than me please make a
"THANKS MARTINS"
meme that we can post anytime something goes wrong. Seriously, I don't think I've seen or heard from that guy since the WeHam intro
Ducklett wrote:Skybox wrote:Somebody younger and smarter than me please make a
"THANKS MARTINS"
meme that we can post anytime something goes wrong. Seriously, I don't think I've seen or heard from that guy since the WeHam intro
Something like this?
Ducklett wrote:Skybox wrote:Somebody younger and smarter than me please make a
"THANKS MARTINS"
meme that we can post anytime something goes wrong. Seriously, I don't think I've seen or heard from that guy since the WeHam intro
Something like this?
Showbiz Bear wrote:I hope so. I like Birch but Bamba needs to be the primary backup. And we could probably get at least a high 2nd for Birch.fklt wrote:I think a trade for birch is incoming.
I'd also love to see us start Okeke instead of Bacon or Clark
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Skybox wrote:Showbiz Bear wrote:I hope so. I like Birch but Bamba needs to be the primary backup. And we could probably get at least a high 2nd for Birch.fklt wrote:I think a trade for birch is incoming.
I'd also love to see us start Okeke instead of Bacon or Clark
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Could Birch get us Landry Shamet from BRK?...they're not using him. Honestly, Birch would maybe be great for them and Shamet can shoot. Moving Birch would be a very strong move from WeHam to indicate they're not here to win 3 more games while Fultz and Isaac are out...which, I think, everyone here (tankers or not) would support. Birch is not even a full band-aid (like Rose or George Hill would be) , he's just a small one...I'd be happy for Birch too.
Gordon can do everything else on the court well. After averaging a career high in points two seasons ago, Gordon made another important leap last season: He became a legitimate playmaker, averaging a career high in assists (3.7 per game) while barely increasing his turnovers (2.1 per game). He can clean the defensive glass and start a fast break himself, and he can pass the ball out of the pick-and-roll in the half court. According to the tracking numbers at Synergy Sports, Gordon was in the 53rd percentile of players in shots he generated for himself and his teammates.
The result is that Gordon is now one of the most well-rounded players in the league. He can defend players at all five positions and also score, shoot, pass, and rebound. The only players to average as many points, rebounds, assists, steals, and 3-point attempts per game last season as Gordon are Joel Embiid and Karl-Anthony Towns. This may not be the best version of Gordon, either. A 23-year-old with his physical tools who has already shown the work ethic to improve is a good bet to keep getting better.
pepe1991 wrote:People pay way too much attention what pages like ringer are saying.
That's same Ringer who had article " Harris or Gordon" and drooled over Gordon. Harris ended up having almost 4 years in a row with 20 ppg, 7 rebounds ,3 assists with <56% TS.
In 2019, Ringer had " Are we sure the Magic won't make a leap"
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/8/21/20825766/are-we-sure-orlando-magicGordon can do everything else on the court well. After averaging a career high in points two seasons ago, Gordon made another important leap last season: He became a legitimate playmaker, averaging a career high in assists (3.7 per game) while barely increasing his turnovers (2.1 per game). He can clean the defensive glass and start a fast break himself, and he can pass the ball out of the pick-and-roll in the half court. According to the tracking numbers at Synergy Sports, Gordon was in the 53rd percentile of players in shots he generated for himself and his teammates.
The result is that Gordon is now one of the most well-rounded players in the league. He can defend players at all five positions and also score, shoot, pass, and rebound. The only players to average as many points, rebounds, assists, steals, and 3-point attempts per game last season as Gordon are Joel Embiid and Karl-Anthony Towns. This may not be the best version of Gordon, either. A 23-year-old with his physical tools who has already shown the work ethic to improve is a good bet to keep getting better.
You would thought they were talking about young Tracy, not at that point 5 years pro, who peaked at 17ppg and below average efficiency (53% TS).
There is no reason why any sports site needs to "teach " you what you can see with your healthy eyes.