Lets talk Zach Lavine

[thedarkstark]

According to a report Thursday from ESPN's Brian Windhorst, there are at least questions being asked by execs around the league.

Windhorst appeared on The Jump on Thursday to talk about the never-ending Bradley Beal trade rumblings, which the Sixers have been linked to more than once. With Beal not imminently on the move, Windhorst was asked what else league execs are chattering about ahead of the March 25 deadline:

"Well, Ben Simmons was offered for James Harden, so there's a question about whether, if a star becomes available, he could be [on the move].

"And another guy that executives are watching out there, because they're not sure of his future with the organization, is Zach LaVine. Now, I would tell you the Bulls, if they're going to trade a guy like Zach LaVine, who's having a career season, would want to trade him for someone like Bradley Beal. So I think it's not necessarily an either-or. If a player like Bradley Beal is available, that would get Philly or Chicago interested.

"But if you're looking for players who possibly could be out there on the market, [Simmons and LaVine] are two names that have been mentioned by league executives."

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/sixers/nba-rumors-nba-execs-believe-ben-simmons-could-be-trade-market-zach-lavine

Windhorst is just throwing **** at a wall and hoping something sticks.

The trade would make zero sense: they're basically the exact same player except that Beal is 2 years older. If you look at the season Zach is having and compare it to Beal's 25yr season they're nearly identical.

If the Bulls were ready to win now you could make a case that maybe you want the older/more experienced guy, but for a team that is very far off it makes more sense to keep the younger Zach.

The only scenario in which Lavine gets moved is if brings back multiple high draft picks.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

According to a report Thursday from ESPN's Brian Windhorst, there are at least questions being asked by execs around the league.

Windhorst appeared on The Jump on Thursday to talk about the never-ending Bradley Beal trade rumblings, which the Sixers have been linked to more than once. With Beal not imminently on the move, Windhorst was asked what else league execs are chattering about ahead of the March 25 deadline: Beal is at least 25-30% better than Zach, he is better scorer in traffic, better in mid game, better defender,passer and playmaker. His trade value is higher than Zachs in that same regard. He was all star, averaging 35, best scorer in the league, had previous playoffs experience, one game shy from ecf. So if you are being objecttive he is better than Lavine.

"Well, Ben Simmons was offered for James Harden, so there's a question about whether, if a star becomes available, he could be [on the move].

"And another guy that executives are watching out there, because they're not sure of his future with the organization, is Zach LaVine. Now, I would tell you the Bulls, if they're going to trade a guy like Zach LaVine, who's having a career season, would want to trade him for someone like Bradley Beal. So I think it's not necessarily an either-or. If a player like Bradley Beal is available, that would get Philly or Chicago interested.

"But if you're looking for players who possibly could be out there on the market, [Simmons and LaVine] are two names that have been mentioned by league executives."

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/sixers/nba-rumors-nba-execs-believe-ben-simmons-could-be-trade-market-zach-lavine

Windhorst is just throwing **** at a wall and hoping something sticks.

The trade would make zero sense: they're basically the exact same player except that Beal is 2 years older. If you look at the season Zach is having and compare it to Beal's 25yr season they're nearly identical.

If the Bulls were ready to win now you could make a case that maybe you want the older/more experienced guy, but for a team that is very far off it makes more sense to keep the younger Zach.

The only scenario in which Lavine gets moved is if brings back multiple high draft picks.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Beal is better player,defender,scorer,playmaker have higher value and is 1 scorer in Nba with 35, was all star and one game from ecf in playoffs before.

[erasmusmrr]

That Dal pick that NY has is in the lottery now. That's why its good to trade for other future 1sts.

[dice]

According to a report Thursday from ESPN's Brian Windhorst, there are at least questions being asked by execs around the league.

Windhorst appeared on The Jump on Thursday to talk about the never-ending Bradley Beal trade rumblings, which the Sixers have been linked to more than once. With Beal not imminently on the move, Windhorst was asked what else league execs are chattering about ahead of the March 25 deadline:

"Well, Ben Simmons was offered for James Harden, so there's a question about whether, if a star becomes available, he could be [on the move].

"And another guy that executives are watching out there, because they're not sure of his future with the organization, is Zach LaVine. Now, I would tell you the Bulls, if they're going to trade a guy like Zach LaVine, who's having a career season, would want to trade him for someone like Bradley Beal. So I think it's not necessarily an either-or. If a player like Bradley Beal is available, that would get Philly or Chicago interested.

"But if you're looking for players who possibly could be out there on the market, [Simmons and LaVine] are two names that have been mentioned by league executives."

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/sixers/nba-rumors-nba-execs-believe-ben-simmons-could-be-trade-market-zach-lavine

Windhorst is just throwing **** at a wall and hoping something sticks.

The trade would make zero sense: they're basically the exact same player except that Beal is 2 years older. If you look at the season Zach is having and compare it to Beal's 25yr season they're nearly identical.

If the Bulls were ready to win now you could make a case that maybe you want the older/more experienced guy, but for a team that is very far off it makes more sense to keep the younger Zach.

The only scenario in which Lavine gets moved is if brings back multiple high draft picks.

i agree that the trade doesn't make any sense, but windhorst isn't the first guy to have mentioned it

[DroseReturnChi]

Why do you want these picks? They are all playoff teams except for the Knicks, which you say is top 10 protected.

There’s no value in a bunch of middling FRPs.

Denver has MPJ, Knicks have Dallas picks which could be lottery, and Pelicans have bunch of picks they can give more than 2.
Not to mention the Minn pick. these are just more than middling pick value.

MPJ is an eye of the beholder. The rest are middling. Dallas isn’t finishing in lottery. None of the Pels picks are either. The Minny pick on its own isn’t worth Zach. Throw in Wiseman, sure, but as I said, GSW probably isn’t interested in Zach

Like Dallas isnt going to be top 20 worst case you give AK the keys he might get another Hali at mid round, late lotto.
And New York has a lot of attractive pieces in addition to those picks from Randle to Robinson to package.
Pels they have infinite picks acquired from Jrue they can some of those although its more quantity AK has shown he can draft well late. Minn pick isnt worth but its the single best asset probably available rn.

[cjbulls]

According to a report Thursday from ESPN's Brian Windhorst, there are at least questions being asked by execs around the league.

Windhorst appeared on The Jump on Thursday to talk about the never-ending Bradley Beal trade rumblings, which the Sixers have been linked to more than once. With Beal not imminently on the move, Windhorst was asked what else league execs are chattering about ahead of the March 25 deadline:

"Well, Ben Simmons was offered for James Harden, so there's a question about whether, if a star becomes available, he could be [on the move].

"And another guy that executives are watching out there, because they're not sure of his future with the organization, is Zach LaVine. Now, I would tell you the Bulls, if they're going to trade a guy like Zach LaVine, who's having a career season, would want to trade him for someone like Bradley Beal. So I think it's not necessarily an either-or. If a player like Bradley Beal is available, that would get Philly or Chicago interested.

"But if you're looking for players who possibly could be out there on the market, [Simmons and LaVine] are two names that have been mentioned by league executives."

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/sixers/nba-rumors-nba-execs-believe-ben-simmons-could-be-trade-market-zach-lavine

Windhorst is just throwing **** at a wall and hoping something sticks.

The trade would make zero sense: they're basically the exact same player except that Beal is 2 years older. If you look at the season Zach is having and compare it to Beal's 25yr season they're nearly identical.

If the Bulls were ready to win now you could make a case that maybe you want the older/more experienced guy, but for a team that is very far off it makes more sense to keep the younger Zach.

The only scenario in which Lavine gets moved is if brings back multiple high draft picks.

i agree that the trade doesn't make any sense, but windhorst isn't the first guy to have mentioned it

The Bulls should be talking Zach for Simmons, not Beal. Don’t see Philly being interested though.

Maybe a Zach/Beal/Simmons 3 team deal? Bulls would need to kick in more

[MisterRoy]

So we comfortable having Coby as our starting 2 guard..?


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[Hold That]

Just saw the Knicks fan sided article of 5 potential Knick packages. And they all look good. Just makes me wonder should we even be shopping Lavine to begin with, he’s just 25 and it seems like the Knicks value Lavine enough to possibly ship over picks and RJ Barrett.

Getting RJ Barrett and the Dallas pick back is intriguing.

https://dailyknicks.com/2021/02/05/knicks-good-bad-worst-trade-packages-zach-lavine/amp/2/

[MisterRoy]

There are a few interesting proposals in that article.

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[nomorezorro]

1. Big if. Tyreke Evans, and MCW who did it for a full season say hello. Add to it the magic of Thibs and scoring PGs.
2. Is it top 5 cause of Mitchell, or is it the coach? Hmmm.
3. Then the picks could easily be <<< than Zach even in the lottery.

We’ve seen this movie before, and screwed it up. Let’s not repeat the same mistake again so soon.

oh yeah, there's a case to be made against the trade for sure. but in a situation where you were looking to trade zach — which i don't think is unreasonable, even if i'm not personally eager to move him — i don't mind taking on some risk if you think there's real upside in hitting.

(also if that kind of trade got made, i assume the front office would do a more thorough analysis of quickley as a prospect than i have, which amounts to "stats look good and he looked good when he played against us")

[Stratmaster]

There is a reason everyone is talking about Zach. The same reason why the Bulls shouldn't trade him.

Only way I trade Zach is after the lottery for a guaranteed top 3 pick plus a quality starter.

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[StunnerKO]

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[sco]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/time-bulls-plan-extending-zach-040436481.html

[PaKii94]

Man I was anti Lavine for a while. His play style the past few years just weren't condusive to winning.

I've gone completely 180 on him this year. He's improved the game sense aspect and shown he's willing to play within a team concept.

I don't want to trade him out anymore. I want to build with him. Simmons would be nice to have WITH Zach. We need a competent PG to take away from Lavine's on ball deficiencies and help generate looks for the front court and a competent defensive center to help cover for defensive deficiencies

[D_GoLow]

I have tended to side with trading Zach. I now think it's a terrible idea, build around him.

[MisterRoy]

I have tended to side with trading Zach. I now think it's a terrible idea, build around him.

Those of us that have been of this opinon welcome you to the table with open arms.


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[Kukoc-Lauri]

Lavine turned out to be better than supposed. I was against matching Kings offer. Still think that was mistake. Not because Lavine, but because of his good play we always were way below playoff spot but just high enough to avoid top three picks usually best place for drafting franchise player.Without Lavine we could potenitialy end up with Morant/Zion or Doncic/Young combo and salary space to add future complementary pieces or third star. Instead we drafted really average players in White and Carter. And tbh i am still more pro trading Lavine for picks and tanking for Cunningham/Mobley/Green/Suggs/Kumminga in 21 and Emoni Bates/Wictor Waynamba year after. That is a way to build contender in future. With Zach as top gun you are buildin playoff team at best.

[WindyCityBorn]

There is a reason everyone is talking about Zach. The same reason why the Bulls shouldn't trade him.

Only way I trade Zach is after the lottery for a guaranteed top 3 pick plus a quality starter.

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Of course teams want him. Because is damn good. He will a household name soon and will make the all-star team. Notice they don’t want any of our other players. Donovan and AK are not dumb. And more importantly he doesn’t want out. He isn’t a diva like these other high profile players that just want to team up and win easy. He wants to win here.

[sco]

How do folks look at the Butler trade in light of Zach's play?