2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk

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This is the type of move that scares me, it would put us in position to battle late in the season for a 7, 8 seed before getting demolished in the first round.

Plus, what do we even give up ? Draft picks ? (Stupid), young prospects (stupid) and if we give up one of our veteran contributors (AG, Fournier,Tross) it would just create another hole at another position putting us pretty much where we are already at.

Also, moving forward does this mean less playing time for Fultz and or Cole ? I don’t see the benefit here. Let the Knicks have Rose and propel them well ahead of us in the standings.

Agree...this would tell us that the FO has no vision for the future unless (and I really doubt it) they just see Rose as an expiring and they want to get someone off the books (Aminu) or, it's part of a bigger trade (Gordon or Evan with a pick coming back?)...I think Rose is a valued asset for a contending team, not us.

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Good news, I fixed everything...

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7393609

NOLA sends NAW,Ball, JJ...ORL needs SG of the immediate future, gets a look at Ball
ORL sends Evan, Bamba, Ennis...they need shooting and better upside at Center

We trade our expirings who likely won't be back for their expirings, who are on the block. Plus, we swap two young promising guys who have largely been hidden so far. I assume JJ bolts to BRK to end his career or we could even flip him sooner for small return. Lonzo and ORL could have a mutual tryout- the guy came into the league with huge upside. He's big, defends, has great vision but hasn't been able to play at the pace that suits him...Could he, Fultz, Anthony, and NAW be an amazing young backcourt? Even if he was moved for little or bolted, I still like this move...I'd try to follow it by giving Gordon to BOS for Nesmith or some similar upside shooter. Perhaps a negative trade but a plus for team fit. Also, figure on a very high pick plugging in somewhere. I know the Fultz/Ball chemistry is the issue but that's a lot of potential. Honestly, I can't figure out why Ball isn't a perfect fit with Zion and Ingram.

Ball, Anthony, MCW
Fultz, Nesmith
NAW, Bacon
Isaac, Okeke, Aminu
Vucevic, Birch

[cedric76]

Good news, I fixed everything...

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7393609

NOLA sends NAW,Ball, JJ...ORL needs SG of the immediate future, gets a look at Ball
ORL sends Evan, Bamba, Ennis...they need shooting and better upside at Center

We trade our expirings who likely won't be back for their expirings, who are on the block. Plus, we swap two young promising guys who have largely been hidden so far. I assume JJ bolts to BRK to end his career or we could even flip him sooner for small return. Lonzo and ORL could have a mutual tryout- the guy came into the league with huge upside. He's big, defends, has great vision but hasn't been able to play at the pace that suits him...Could he, Fultz, Anthony, and NAW be an amazing young backcourt? Even if he was moved for little or bolted, I still like this move...I'd try to follow it by giving Gordon to BOS for Nesmith or some similar upside shooter. Perhaps a negative trade but a plus for team fit. Also, figure on a very high pick plugging in somewhere. I know the Fultz/Ball chemistry is the issue but that's a lot of potential. Honestly, I can't figure out why Ball isn't a perfect fit with Zion and Ingram.

Ball, Anthony, MCW
Fultz, Nesmith
NAW, Bacon
Isaac, Okeke, Aminu
Vucevic, Birch

Lol, what were you trying to fix?

[VFX]

Good news, I fixed everything...

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7393609

NOLA sends NAW,Ball, JJ...ORL needs SG of the immediate future, gets a look at Ball
ORL sends Evan, Bamba, Ennis...they need shooting and better upside at Center

We trade our expirings who likely won't be back for their expirings, who are on the block. Plus, we swap two young promising guys who have largely been hidden so far. I assume JJ bolts to BRK to end his career or we could even flip him sooner for small return. Lonzo and ORL could have a mutual tryout- the guy came into the league with huge upside. He's big, defends, has great vision but hasn't been able to play at the pace that suits him...Could he, Fultz, Anthony, and NAW be there an amazing young backcourt? Even if he was moved for little or bolted, I still like this move...I'd try to follow it by giving Gordon to BOS for Nesmith or some similar upside shooter. Perhaps a negative trade but a plus for team fit. Also, figure on a very high pick plugging in somewhere. I know the Fultz/Ball chemistry is the issue but that's a lot of potential. Honestly, I can't figure out why Ball isn't a perfect fit with Zion and Ingram.

Ball, Anthony, MCW
Fultz, Nesmith
NAW, Bacon
Isaac, Okeke, Aminu
Vucevic, Birch

Why does NO do this?

Adams, Zion, Hayes, and Hernangomez would make the Bamba addition just as pointless.

Fournier’s pending astronomically overpriced contract for vet JJ would be kind of a bad idea for them. JJ might want to retire in Orlando, but I’d assume he wants to win a championship first.

Ennis for NAW would never happen if you look at this trade as value for value positionally.

Not saying I wouldn’t do the deal personally... I would 100% if it was even on the table.

[Knightro]

I know he hasn't played a ton of minutes, but Nickeil Alexander-Walker genuinely has been really bad two years into his career.

Totally get that people liked him coming out of school and are still sour that the Magic didn't take him, but as it stands now they haven't really lost out anything.

He's still young and can still possibly turn it around, but there's no real indication that's coming.

Shooting just .347 from the floor and .204 from three in 24 MPG since that random 37 point explosion a month ago.

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Based on NAW vs Bamba (one or both yet to blossom). Hayes would be moved, he doesn't really provide any more than...well, Birch.

The others are all expirings and very available. IF Bamba becomes the guy he was projected to be, he'd be a perfect long-term complement to Zion at PF...Will he? I don't know but NAW hasn't done anything yet either. NOLA, at the moment, lacks shooting (even with JJ)...maybe NOLA can get more for Ball (who is looking for a lot more than Evan, I bet), maybe someone will give something for an expiring JJ (2rp?) who wants to go to only a couple of teams. It just grew as Bamba makes more than NAW (those are the focus to me).

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NAW is the new DSJ in terms of posters overrating him

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NAW is the new DSJ in terms of posters overrating him

Hopefully, Bamba too

[Blue_and_Whte]

I thought NAW was getting regular pt and had turned it around soley based on his name being thrown about...but nope.... he's still being overrated for absolutely no reason.

[Bensational]

I know he hasn't played a ton of minutes, but Nickeil Alexander-Walker genuinely has been really bad two years into his career.

Totally get that people liked him coming out of school and are still sour that the Magic didn't take him, but as it stands now they haven't really lost out anything.

He's still young and can still possibly turn it around, but there's no real indication that's coming.

Shooting just .347 from the floor and .204 from three in 24 MPG since that random 37 point explosion a month ago.

Yeah, I’m a well known NAW stan but he hasn’t been delivering with the increased role he’s been getting this season. I thought he could’ve become a Brogdon type player and thought he’d adapt faster having been a college sophomore, but it’s been a very slow and rough start for him.

I’d still rather have him (or a similar prospect) to have some semblance of a future in the backcourt beyond Fournier/Ross.

[Howard Mass]

The Magic are obviously going to be sellers.

Right now, this team looks good at

Point Guard: Fultz and Anthony
Shooting guard: Ross
Power Forward: Isaac and Okeke
Center: Vucevic and Bamba

They really need help at the 2/3.

Given how Evan Fournier has an expiring deal and what Orlando already has committed in salaries for next season, Fournier should move for the best offer at The Trading Deadline.

It would be great if they could somehow land a young wing on someones bench with the potential to grow on a rookie deal kind of like the deal that brought Fournier to The Magic.

After that, they should check the market for Aaron Gordon and try to land a young swingman.

Then, in The Draft, they should take the best available player and hopefully that will be a swingman on the up.

What the market is remains the question and many of us have speculated on names who could move.

One name I like is Romeo Langford from The Celtics. There are others as well but its a question of who could be available.

Point is if they could move Fournier, Gordon and use their first round pick on wings, it would give them more scoring there which is the biggest need outside of a star. Things could really look different,

[zaymon]

The Magic are obviously going to be sellers.

Right now, this team looks good at

Point Guard: Fultz and Anthony
Shooting guard: Ross
Power Forward: Isaac and Okeke
Center: Vucevic and Bamba

They really need help at the 2/3.

Given how Evan Fournier has an expiring deal and what Orlando already has committed in salaries for next season, Fournier should move for the best offer at The Trading Deadline.

It would be great if they could somehow land a young wing on someones bench with the potential to grow on a rookie deal kind of like the deal that brought Fournier to The Magic.

After that, they should check the market for Aaron Gordon and try to land a young swingman.

Then, in The Draft, they should take the best available player and hopefully that will be a swingman on the up.

What the market is remains the question and many of us have speculated on names who could move.

One name I like is Romeo Langford from The Celtics. There are others as well but its a question of who could be available.

Point is if they could move Fournier, Gordon and use their first round pick on wings, it would give them more scoring there which is the biggest need outside of a star. Things could really look different,

I agree, but there is very limited pool of good young wings available. Thats why i would try to resign Fournier. Its kind of obvious right now we are bad without him ( i have been saying it for the last 2 years). If we want to be competetive with Isaac next year we need Fournier or some replacement, but there is really no good replacement. I made a thread some time ago about this. My hope is Okeke emerges more as a wing than forward. He moves quite well taking his injury into account. Could be poor mans Paul George.

[basketballRob]

Aminu and Ross for Derrick Jones, Trent jr, and Hood. That matches up perfectly salary wise.

Portland won't be able to sign Trent Jr next season, because they're right up against the luxury tax threshold. The Magic with Ross and Fournier gone would have an opening.

Ironically it looks like Aminu will be making his season debut against Portland Tuesday. More irony, Dame, Ross, Aminu, Covington are all 30, CJ will be 30 in September.

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[JRoy]

Aminu and Ross for Derrick Jones, Trent jr, and Hood. That matches up perfectly salary wise.

Portland won't be able to sign Trent Jr next season, because they're right up against the luxury tax threshold. The Magic with Ross and Fournier gone would have an opening.

Ironically it looks like Aminu will be making his season debut against Portland Tuesday. More irony, Dame, Ross, Aminu, Covington are all 30, CJ will be 30 in September.

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Hard no for POR.

Downgrade talent for zero incentive.

If we decide to move GTJr we can get a better deal than this.

[Howard Mass]

The Magic are obviously going to be sellers.

Right now, this team looks good at

Point Guard: Fultz and Anthony
Shooting guard: Ross
Power Forward: Isaac and Okeke
Center: Vucevic and Bamba

They really need help at the 2/3.

Given how Evan Fournier has an expiring deal and what Orlando already has committed in salaries for next season, Fournier should move for the best offer at The Trading Deadline.

It would be great if they could somehow land a young wing on someones bench with the potential to grow on a rookie deal kind of like the deal that brought Fournier to The Magic.

After that, they should check the market for Aaron Gordon and try to land a young swingman.

Then, in The Draft, they should take the best available player and hopefully that will be a swingman on the up.

What the market is remains the question and many of us have speculated on names who could move.

One name I like is Romeo Langford from The Celtics. There are others as well but its a question of who could be available.

Point is if they could move Fournier, Gordon and use their first round pick on wings, it would give them more scoring there which is the biggest need outside of a star. Things could really look different,

I agree, but there is very limited pool of good young wings available. Thats why i would try to resign Fournier. Its kind of obvious right now we are bad without him ( i have been saying it for the last 2 years). If we want to be competetive with Isaac next year we need Fournier or some replacement, but there is really no good replacement. I made a thread some time ago about this. My hope is Okeke emerges more as a wing than forward. He moves quite well taking his injury into account. Could be poor mans Paul George.

That's the thing, who are the wings available?

It will be hard to re-sign Fournier with all the money committed already.

[zaymon]

The Magic are obviously going to be sellers.

Right now, this team looks good at

Point Guard: Fultz and Anthony
Shooting guard: Ross
Power Forward: Isaac and Okeke
Center: Vucevic and Bamba

They really need help at the 2/3.

Given how Evan Fournier has an expiring deal and what Orlando already has committed in salaries for next season, Fournier should move for the best offer at The Trading Deadline.

It would be great if they could somehow land a young wing on someones bench with the potential to grow on a rookie deal kind of like the deal that brought Fournier to The Magic.

After that, they should check the market for Aaron Gordon and try to land a young swingman.

Then, in The Draft, they should take the best available player and hopefully that will be a swingman on the up.

What the market is remains the question and many of us have speculated on names who could move.

One name I like is Romeo Langford from The Celtics. There are others as well but its a question of who could be available.

Point is if they could move Fournier, Gordon and use their first round pick on wings, it would give them more scoring there which is the biggest need outside of a star. Things could really look different,

I agree, but there is very limited pool of good young wings available. Thats why i would try to resign Fournier. Its kind of obvious right now we are bad without him ( i have been saying it for the last 2 years). If we want to be competetive with Isaac next year we need Fournier or some replacement, but there is really no good replacement. I made a thread some time ago about this. My hope is Okeke emerges more as a wing than forward. He moves quite well taking his injury into account. Could be poor mans Paul George.

That's the thing, who are the wings available?

It will be hard to re-sign Fournier with all the money committed already.

Thats the topic i created before the draft
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1996938

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The Knicks are getting better numbers from Randle than we’re getting from Vuc this season, with the bonus that he’s a PF so they can use Robinson as C to anchor their improving defense still.

It’s crazy how they looked like the laughing stock of the NBA, but Thibs has pulled the competitiveness out of that team so far. They’ll likely fall off a cliff once Toronto and Miami get healthy and push them out of playoff seeding, unless Rose can really help stabilise their offense and PG rotation.

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The Knicks are getting better numbers from Randle than we’re getting from Vuc this season, with the bonus that he’s a PF so they can use Robinson as C to anchor their improving defense still.

It’s crazy how they looked like the laughing stock of the NBA, but Thibs has pulled the competitiveness out of that team so far. They’ll likely fall off a cliff once Toronto and Miami get healthy and push them out of playoff seeding, unless Rose can really help stabilise their offense and PG rotation.

So is NY getting better with a plan OR is this what some of us are really concerned about with Cliff/WeHam (squeezing wins out with band-aids that hurt our future)? I've been really vocal about my aversion to tanking but I'm good with losing while getting on the right path...bringing in Rose maybe gets NY out of the lottery while still being basically irrelevant in the playoffs and not really showing a lot of reason to expect more the year after (sound familiar?). At least, we have young guys like Isaac, Fultz that still seem like they could possibly become a lot more. Anthony, Okeke, Bamba are or may become solid rotational pieces...I don't know that NY's young guys inspire the same confidence for upside...Toppin, Robinson, Quickley look more like solid rotational pieces at best, IMO. If ORL brought in Rose to play with AG and Vuc and Evan, we'd definitely move up to playoff contention...but so what?

Maybe I'm just being a homer. Knicks being Knicks

[Bensational]

The Knicks are getting better numbers from Randle than we’re getting from Vuc this season, with the bonus that he’s a PF so they can use Robinson as C to anchor their improving defense still.

It’s crazy how they looked like the laughing stock of the NBA, but Thibs has pulled the competitiveness out of that team so far. They’ll likely fall off a cliff once Toronto and Miami get healthy and push them out of playoff seeding, unless Rose can really help stabilise their offense and PG rotation.

So is NY getting better with a plan OR is this what some of us are really concerned about with Cliff/WeHam (squeezing wins out with band-aids that hurt our future)? I've been really vocal about my aversion to tanking but I'm good with losing while getting on the right path...bringing in Rose maybe gets NY out of the lottery while still being basically irrelevant in the playoffs and not really showing a lot of reason to expect more the year after (sound familiar?). At least, we have young guys like Isaac, Fultz that still seem like they could possibly become a lot more. Anthony, Okeke, Bamba are or may become solid rotational pieces...I don't know that NY's young guys inspire the same confidence for upside...Toppin, Robinson, Quickley look more like solid rotational pieces at best, IMO. If ORL brought in Rose to play with AG and Vuc and Evan, we'd definitely move up to playoff contention...but so what?

Maybe I'm just being a homer. Knicks being Knicks

I guess if you look at the Knicks and think they don’t inspire confidence in a bright future (which I agree, they don’t), I’d wonder how you can feel any differently about this team? Similar pieces, similar coaches, similar performances. Randle is playing better than Vuc, Barrett is better than any prospect we have including Isaac, and Robinson is a very good defender in the hands of a very good defensive coach who’s actually playing him. And right now they’re overachieving and in playoff seeding without a proper decent quality backcourt.

Would you consider Randle someone that the Knicks should keep and build around, regardless of it relegating Toppin to the bench, and that his performance is coming in a contract year?

[basketballRob]

The Knicks are getting better numbers from Randle than we’re getting from Vuc this season, with the bonus that he’s a PF so they can use Robinson as C to anchor their improving defense still.

It’s crazy how they looked like the laughing stock of the NBA, but Thibs has pulled the competitiveness out of that team so far. They’ll likely fall off a cliff once Toronto and Miami get healthy and push them out of playoff seeding, unless Rose can really help stabilise their offense and PG rotation.

So is NY getting better with a plan OR is this what some of us are really concerned about with Cliff/WeHam (squeezing wins out with band-aids that hurt our future)? I've been really vocal about my aversion to tanking but I'm good with losing while getting on the right path...bringing in Rose maybe gets NY out of the lottery while still being basically irrelevant in the playoffs and not really showing a lot of reason to expect more the year after (sound familiar?). At least, we have young guys like Isaac, Fultz that still seem like they could possibly become a lot more. Anthony, Okeke, Bamba are or may become solid rotational pieces...I don't know that NY's young guys inspire the same confidence for upside...Toppin, Robinson, Quickley look more like solid rotational pieces at best, IMO. If ORL brought in Rose to play with AG and Vuc and Evan, we'd definitely move up to playoff contention...but so what?

Maybe I'm just being a homer. Knicks being Knicks

I guess if you look at the Knicks and think they don’t inspire confidence in a bright future (which I agree, they don’t), I’d wonder how you can feel any differently about this team? Similar pieces, similar coaches, similar performances. Randle is playing better than Vuc, Barrett is better than any prospect we have including Isaac, and Robinson is a very good defender in the hands of a very good defensive coach who’s actually playing him. And right now they’re overachieving and in playoff seeding without a proper decent quality backcourt.

Would you consider Randle someone that the Knicks should keep and build around, regardless of it relegating Toppin to the bench, and that his performance is coming in a contract year?

NY also has the Dallas pick next year. It would be funny if they win the lottery.

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