PG: Knicks-Heat aka Pass the Dutch

[Buttah304]

thibs is extra hard on young players and mostly over defense. i guess he thinks he's teaching them that way. maybe he feels the older guys are what they are so he doesn't hold them to the same standard. not fair but it is what it is.

again thibs does something to contradict what he does.

He is extra hard on young players for defense...but doesn't play our best perimeter defender?

He talk about players earning there minutes and if they play well they will get minutes...um Obi was actually part of the group that brought us from a 6 point deficit to a tie game and was still taken out.

He has a cliche or line for everything. There is no doubt he is a coaching improvement here..he absolutely is. However my concerns whether he was the right coach for this team right now...is still up in the air. Especially with Rose coming in...do you not think he is going to favor Rose over young players. I even think that will have a bad effect on the young guys playing like RJ and IQ.'

I want IQ and RJ taking and making shots and plays down the stretch...I don't want Rose and Payton...why is that so much to ask for? Competing for a play in game means jack sh*t if it doesn't come with development of our young pieces.

i don't understand what happened with iq in the last couple. he was playing him more minutes recently. playing him late more. with the starters more. and then he pulled back a little for no apparent reason.

I am telling you both. And I mean this. He is trying to play good cop bad cop with IQ. Could I understand if this was Anthony Edwards? Absolutely. We don’t even know if AE loves basketball. By all accounts he wanted to play football and has repeatedly made it seem like he doesn’t know if he truly LOVES the game.

But that’s not the case with IQ. He’s not the one to play that cat and mouse game with. He’s the same guy that stays late in the gym after an early practice, shoot around/warmups and a game. This is a rookie who very much LOVES the game. No distractions with him.

It seems like Thibs wants to humble a guy who is ALREADY humble. What IQ needs is a coach who will instill confidence in him, provide support yet fairly critique him and bust his chops when he sees something out there he doesn’t like.

[rajajackal]

again thibs does something to contradict what he does.

He is extra hard on young players for defense...but doesn't play our best perimeter defender?

He talk about players earning there minutes and if they play well they will get minutes...um Obi was actually part of the group that brought us from a 6 point deficit to a tie game and was still taken out.

He has a cliche or line for everything. There is no doubt he is a coaching improvement here..he absolutely is. However my concerns whether he was the right coach for this team right now...is still up in the air. Especially with Rose coming in...do you not think he is going to favor Rose over young players. I even think that will have a bad effect on the young guys playing like RJ and IQ.'

I want IQ and RJ taking and making shots and plays down the stretch...I don't want Rose and Payton...why is that so much to ask for? Competing for a play in game means jack sh*t if it doesn't come with development of our young pieces.

i don't understand what happened with iq in the last couple. he was playing him more minutes recently. playing him late more. with the starters more. and then he pulled back a little for no apparent reason.

I am telling you both. And I mean this. He is trying to play good cop bad cop with IQ. Could I understand if this was Anthony Edwards? Absolutely. We don’t even know if AE loves basketball. By all accounts he wanted to play football and has repeatedly made it seem like he doesn’t know if he truly LOVES the game.

But that’s not the case with IQ. He’s not the one to play that cat and mouse game with. He’s the same guy that stays late in the gym after an early practice, shoot around/warmups and a game. This is a rookie who very much LOVES the game. No distractions with him.

It seems like Thibs wants to humble a guy who is ALREADY humble. What IQ needs is a coach who will instill confidence in him, provide support yet fairly critique him and bust his chops when he sees something out there he doesn’t like.

maybe thibs recognizes that hunger and work ethic and is taking advantage of it to accelerate quickley's development

don't get me wrong watching elfrid payton play instead of literally anybody else makes my neck vein bulge

[DOT]

thibs is extra hard on young players and mostly over defense. i guess he thinks he's teaching them that way. maybe he feels the older guys are what they are so he doesn't hold them to the same standard. not fair but it is what it is.

again thibs does something to contradict what he does.

He is extra hard on young players for defense...but doesn't play our best perimeter defender?

He talk about players earning there minutes and if they play well they will get minutes...um Obi was actually part of the group that brought us from a 6 point deficit to a tie game and was still taken out.

He has a cliche or line for everything. There is no doubt he is a coaching improvement here..he absolutely is. However my concerns whether he was the right coach for this team right now...is still up in the air. Especially with Rose coming in...do you not think he is going to favor Rose over young players. I even think that will have a bad effect on the young guys playing like RJ and IQ.'

I want IQ and RJ taking and making shots and plays down the stretch...I don't want Rose and Payton...why is that so much to ask for? Competing for a play in game means jack sh*t if it doesn't come with development of our young pieces.

i don't understand what happened with iq in the last couple. he was playing him more minutes recently. playing him late more. with the starters more. and then he pulled back a little for no apparent reason.

He has Quick on a really short leash

He doesn't trust him to work through slumps, so if he starts off slow, he doesn't typically get enough rope to pull himself out

Where he trusts vets to work themselves through it, so if Payton starts off slow, he gets multiple chances to get it together.

[Chanel Bomber]

again thibs does something to contradict what he does.

He is extra hard on young players for defense...but doesn't play our best perimeter defender?

He talk about players earning there minutes and if they play well they will get minutes...um Obi was actually part of the group that brought us from a 6 point deficit to a tie game and was still taken out.

He has a cliche or line for everything. There is no doubt he is a coaching improvement here..he absolutely is. However my concerns whether he was the right coach for this team right now...is still up in the air. Especially with Rose coming in...do you not think he is going to favor Rose over young players. I even think that will have a bad effect on the young guys playing like RJ and IQ.'

I want IQ and RJ taking and making shots and plays down the stretch...I don't want Rose and Payton...why is that so much to ask for? Competing for a play in game means jack sh*t if it doesn't come with development of our young pieces.

i don't understand what happened with iq in the last couple. he was playing him more minutes recently. playing him late more. with the starters more. and then he pulled back a little for no apparent reason.

I am telling you both. And I mean this. He is trying to play good cop bad cop with IQ. Could I understand if this was Anthony Edwards? Absolutely. We don’t even know if AE loves basketball. By all accounts he wanted to play football and has repeatedly made it seem like he doesn’t know if he truly LOVES the game.

But that’s not the case with IQ. He’s not the one to play that cat and mouse game with. He’s the same guy that stays late in the gym after an early practice, shoot around/warmups and a game. This is a rookie who very much LOVES the game. No distractions with him.

It seems like Thibs wants to humble a guy who is ALREADY humble. What IQ needs is a coach who will instill confidence in him, provide support yet fairly critique him and bust his chops when he sees something out there he doesn’t like.

Yeah it does seem like Thibs is playing unnecessary mind games with Quickley.

And he definitely has looked more hesitant with the ball the last couple of games.

It's weird.

[Gravy]

who said we should? trade or cut them today. I don't care since they won't play anyway.

They already have: Trier, Dotson and now DSJ are gone. Frank is next and maybe Knox. Every draft pick is not going to be a future of the team, thats part of rebuilding... finding out who to get rid of

And for the Knicks, that means getting rid of every 1st round draft pick for the last 7 years. Good stuff.

[TheNewEra]

Clipper fan but will IQ still play every game once Rose is available. Seems like Thibs is slowly pushing him out of the rotation

[Iron Mantis]

Clipper fan but will IQ still play every game once Rose is available. Seems like Thibs is slowly pushing him out of the rotation

Quickley will get playing time next year.

Right now the Knicks are focusing on developing Payton his final season in the NBA.

[Oscirus]

Clipper fan but will IQ still play every game once Rose is available. Seems like Thibs is slowly pushing him out of the rotation

Quickley will get playing time next year.

Right now the Knicks are focusing on developing Payton his final season in the NBA.

He'll get plenty of playing time....

At the rookie soph game

[knickstape4ever]

I didn’t watch the game. I see Payton played 31 mins and went 3-12. And now we are bringing in Derrick rose. Lmao. F this team. Goodnight

Payton gets 30min a night even though statistically he’s one of the Top 3 worst starting PG in the NBA.

Bullock gets 29min a night even though he can’t hit water falling out of a boat 8/10 games.

Rivers now TWICE in the last week has stolen 17min from RJ even though Austin is a disaster.

Obi makes mistakes yes. But he’s a rookie. Let him learn. Taj getting those 15min is a disgrace.

IQ puts up 18-4-4 on 42% from 3PT over 6 games but we gotta bench him because “he’s still a rookie” and Thibs has got to “rook him.” I bet if you were to ask Thibs - he would look you in the face and tell you it’s all apart of the plan and his development. Just shameful.

Now we are getting Rose. A non shooting guard with the worst Net rating in the NBA on the worst team. Just embarrassing.

I really hope we lose every single game the rest of the season. Not because we could make the playoffs and lower our pick chances. I wanna lose every game because I hate what we are doing.

Is it to late to change the team name to The New York Mercenaries?

Unfortunately I’m right there with you. What a shame, should have been expected but still quite sad

yeah imagine having young players and picks and instead playing mediocre vets who clearly have no future here

we could have a legit true rebuild, but looks like Thibs wants immediate gratification

he's not the right coach for this situation. he should be in Philly, LA, BKN

[prophet_of_rage]

thibs is extra hard on young players and mostly over defense. i guess he thinks he's teaching them that way. maybe he feels the older guys are what they are so he doesn't hold them to the same standard. not fair but it is what it is.

again thibs does something to contradict what he does.

He is extra hard on young players for defense...but doesn't play our best perimeter defender?

He talk about players earning there minutes and if they play well they will get minutes...um Obi was actually part of the group that brought us from a 6 point deficit to a tie game and was still taken out.

He has a cliche or line for everything. There is no doubt he is a coaching improvement here..he absolutely is. However my concerns whether he was the right coach for this team right now...is still up in the air. Especially with Rose coming in...do you not think he is going to favor Rose over young players. I even think that will have a bad effect on the young guys playing like RJ and IQ.'

I want IQ and RJ taking and making shots and plays down the stretch...I don't want Rose and Payton...why is that so much to ask for? Competing for a play in game means jack sh*t if it doesn't come with development of our young pieces.

i don't understand what happened with iq in the last couple. he was playing him more minutes recently. playing him late more. with the starters more. and then he pulled back a little for no apparent reason.

Thibs was scared of Dame in the Portland game and today IQ wasn't outstanding versus the zone. He did play him at the end with JR and Mitch and 2 shooters and he was invisible. He didn't really touch the ball.

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[mpharris36]

again thibs does something to contradict what he does.

He is extra hard on young players for defense...but doesn't play our best perimeter defender?

He talk about players earning there minutes and if they play well they will get minutes...um Obi was actually part of the group that brought us from a 6 point deficit to a tie game and was still taken out.

He has a cliche or line for everything. There is no doubt he is a coaching improvement here..he absolutely is. However my concerns whether he was the right coach for this team right now...is still up in the air. Especially with Rose coming in...do you not think he is going to favor Rose over young players. I even think that will have a bad effect on the young guys playing like RJ and IQ.'

I want IQ and RJ taking and making shots and plays down the stretch...I don't want Rose and Payton...why is that so much to ask for? Competing for a play in game means jack sh*t if it doesn't come with development of our young pieces.

i don't understand what happened with iq in the last couple. he was playing him more minutes recently. playing him late more. with the starters more. and then he pulled back a little for no apparent reason.

Thibs was scared of Dame in the Portland game and today IQ wasn't outstanding versus the zone. He did play him at the end with JR and Mitch and 2 shooters and he was invisible. He didn't really touch the ball.

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Scared of Dame and Portland when IQ dropped 31 in Portland like a week ago? That makes zero sense.

[Jeffrey]

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Sigh......

Maybe imagined things but I’m pretty sure IQ closed out the game and has closed out many games this season , I’m pretty sure Barrett is RJ is top 10 in minutes played the league, maybe I’m making all of this up in my head though.

I am supportive of Thibs but I was a Kenny Atkinson guy.

For anyone that said Thibs might change. Ummmm he hasn't.

[3toheadmelo]

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[god shammgod]

again thibs does something to contradict what he does.

He is extra hard on young players for defense...but doesn't play our best perimeter defender?

He talk about players earning there minutes and if they play well they will get minutes...um Obi was actually part of the group that brought us from a 6 point deficit to a tie game and was still taken out.

He has a cliche or line for everything. There is no doubt he is a coaching improvement here..he absolutely is. However my concerns whether he was the right coach for this team right now...is still up in the air. Especially with Rose coming in...do you not think he is going to favor Rose over young players. I even think that will have a bad effect on the young guys playing like RJ and IQ.'

I want IQ and RJ taking and making shots and plays down the stretch...I don't want Rose and Payton...why is that so much to ask for? Competing for a play in game means jack sh*t if it doesn't come with development of our young pieces.

i don't understand what happened with iq in the last couple. he was playing him more minutes recently. playing him late more. with the starters more. and then he pulled back a little for no apparent reason.

Thibs was scared of Dame in the Portland game and today IQ wasn't outstanding versus the zone. He did play him at the end with JR and Mitch and 2 shooters and he was invisible. He didn't really touch the ball.

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yeah, he was in for the last 4 minutes or so. i think he's played well enough to not get the quick hook tho. i understand when obi gets it because he doesn't help very often but this kid has earned his minutes.

[Buttah304]

again thibs does something to contradict what he does.

He is extra hard on young players for defense...but doesn't play our best perimeter defender?

He talk about players earning there minutes and if they play well they will get minutes...um Obi was actually part of the group that brought us from a 6 point deficit to a tie game and was still taken out.

He has a cliche or line for everything. There is no doubt he is a coaching improvement here..he absolutely is. However my concerns whether he was the right coach for this team right now...is still up in the air. Especially with Rose coming in...do you not think he is going to favor Rose over young players. I even think that will have a bad effect on the young guys playing like RJ and IQ.'

I want IQ and RJ taking and making shots and plays down the stretch...I don't want Rose and Payton...why is that so much to ask for? Competing for a play in game means jack sh*t if it doesn't come with development of our young pieces.

i don't understand what happened with iq in the last couple. he was playing him more minutes recently. playing him late more. with the starters more. and then he pulled back a little for no apparent reason.

Thibs was scared of Dame in the Portland game and today IQ wasn't outstanding versus the zone. He did play him at the end with JR and Mitch and 2 shooters and he was invisible. He didn't really touch the ball.

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Ahhh gotchya. My bad brotha. The reception coming from your planet Mars is kind of so-so.

Thibs was scared of IQ in the Portland game. Was it defense related?

Because Lillard was on on 1 working leg and dropped 29 on 10-20 FG and 6-12 from 3PT on Payton.

Before you say Payton had a “good game” just remember in his previous 14 Elfrid was averaging 8.5/3/3 on 32/17/67 splits.

This isn’t “play who is performing.” If that was the case Elfrid would have racked up 6 DNP’s in a row.

But carry on.

[god shammgod]

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[prophet_of_rage]

i don't understand what happened with iq in the last couple. he was playing him more minutes recently. playing him late more. with the starters more. and then he pulled back a little for no apparent reason.

Thibs was scared of Dame in the Portland game and today IQ wasn't outstanding versus the zone. He did play him at the end with JR and Mitch and 2 shooters and he was invisible. He didn't really touch the ball.

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Scared of Dame and Portland when IQ dropped 31 in Portland like a week ago? That makes zero sense.

Check the substitution patterns. As soon as Dame went out IQ came in. He didn't give him much overlap at all. Did the same thing against Steph.

Prior to these past three games the onlyngame IQ played under 17 minutes was GS.

I disagree with the strategy but that seems to be what he was doing.

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[prophet_of_rage]

i don't understand what happened with iq in the last couple. he was playing him more minutes recently. playing him late more. with the starters more. and then he pulled back a little for no apparent reason.

Thibs was scared of Dame in the Portland game and today IQ wasn't outstanding versus the zone. He did play him at the end with JR and Mitch and 2 shooters and he was invisible. He didn't really touch the ball.

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Ahhh gotchya. My bad brotha. The reception coming from your planet Mars is kind of so-so.

Thibs was scared of IQ in the Portland game. Was it defense related?

Because Lillard was on on 1 working leg and dropped 29 on 10-20 FG and 6-12 from 3PT on Payton.

Before you say Payton had a “good game” just remember in his previous 14 Elfrid was averaging 8.5/3/3 on 32/17/67 splits.

This isn’t “play who is performing.” If that was the case Elfrid would have racked up 6 DNP’s in a row.

But carry on.

It's okay because the reception is bad because your head is shoved up your ass.

I am not justifying the move. If you read the game threads I said I disagree with the strategy.

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[3toheadmelo]

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We really needed Burks and Bullock’s shooting so I’m not really mad that RJ didn’t play much. I think Thibs made the right decision imo

[F N 11]

I didn’t watch the game. I see Payton played 31 mins and went 3-12. And now we are bringing in Derrick rose. Lmao. F this team. Goodnight

We gonna get you right EP.