NBA Trade Thread # 3

[WindyCityBorn]

Lavine,White,Carter, 2021 frp Bulls unprotected for Beal. Bulls would pair Donovan and Beal again. Start with Beal and P.Williams and Beal will recruite Drummond and Oladipo to Bulls.

Please stop, these are horrific.

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[TheSuzerain]

Yah, because we have a great recruting history ^^

New front office, new coach. New amenities. Let's see what happens.


Sent from somewhere you've never been.

Zach LaVine doesn’t seem to be ‘friends’ with any big NBA guys, but maybe it’s low-key.

He's never made Team USA.

That's where a ton of the networking happens.

[DroseReturnChi]

Was at Orlando game last night and during layup line to start game, I saw Arturas and Eversley down by Bulls bench. Arturas walked over to Bulls players, pulled Chandler Hutchinson from the line, talked in his ear for a minute or 2, and then Hutch ran into locker room.

It looked to me like he was just told he was traded or sent to G league but it was odd. Haven’t seen anything reported but my guess is that a trade involving Hutch is just about done.


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holy fk. thats dope man to see both executives. hutch is a bum good news.

[DroseReturnChi]

How about doing none of that and let LaVine recruit Oladipo and Drummond?

Yah, because we have a great recruting history ^^

New front office, new coach. New amenities. Let's see what happens.


Sent from somewhere you've never been.

So a siberia that has no history of getting fas for 20 yrs are suddenly getting all star caliber players for free? you dont seem to understand how culture works when its over yrs if not decades.
Olaipo will come asap only if they got someone like Harden and they did not.

[VolumePoster]

Was at Orlando game last night and during layup line to start game, I saw Arturas and Eversley down by Bulls bench. Arturas walked over to Bulls players, pulled Chandler Hutchinson from the line, talked in his ear for a minute or 2, and then Hutch ran into locker room.

It looked to me like he was just told he was traded or sent to G league but it was odd. Haven’t seen anything reported but my guess is that a trade involving Hutch is just about done.


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holy fk. thats dope man to see both executives. hutch is a bum good news.

Interesting. My thought would be g league but we’ll see. Really have the fingers crossed for Lonzo. Looks doubtful as his play continues to predictably improve.

[Red8911]

Was at Orlando game last night and during layup line to start game, I saw Arturas and Eversley down by Bulls bench. Arturas walked over to Bulls players, pulled Chandler Hutchinson from the line, talked in his ear for a minute or 2, and then Hutch ran into locker room.

It looked to me like he was just told he was traded or sent to G league but it was odd. Haven’t seen anything reported but my guess is that a trade involving Hutch is just about done.


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holy fk. thats dope man to see both executives. hutch is a bum good news.

Thats odd, was Hutchinson not on the bench at all during the game? This doesn’t necessarily mean he’s getting traded since today nothing was announced meaning nothing is official and they wouldn’t have pulled him from yesterday for that. My guess is something Covid related again ? Maybe he was in contact with someone who had it, who knows.

Let’s say it is trade related, what kind of deal would have only Hutchinson involved? That would be a crap for crap type of deal.

[ZOMG]

Was at Orlando game last night and during layup line to start game, I saw Arturas and Eversley down by Bulls bench. Arturas walked over to Bulls players, pulled Chandler Hutchinson from the line, talked in his ear for a minute or 2, and then Hutch ran into locker room.

It looked to me like he was just told he was traded or sent to G league but it was odd. Haven’t seen anything reported but my guess is that a trade involving Hutch is just about done.


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holy fk. thats dope man to see both executives. hutch is a bum good news.

Thats odd, was Hutchinson not on the bench at all during the game? This doesn’t necessarily mean he’s getting traded since today nothing was announced meaning nothing is official and they wouldn’t have pulled him from yesterday for that. My guess is something Covid related again ? Maybe he was in contact with someone who had it, who knows.

Let’s say it is trade related, what kind of deal would have only Hutchinson involved? That would be a crap for crap type of deal.

It says in the box score that Hutch had a "DNP-PERSONAL". Highly unlikely that means either covid issues or a trade.

[ImSlower]

Solely from reading your anecdote and seeing DNP-Personal - perhaps a family emergency occurred just before the game was underway, and AK was the one to bring the news to Hutch's attention? A trade or demotion sounds the most likely, but if it were truly tragic news, perhaps the GM would be the one to come to the floor to inform Hutch he needed to make some calls. So as Red asked, I'm curious now if Hutch returned to the bench for the DNP.

I'm not sure how he would be involved in a trade; he'd be an odd throw-in, no? I don't know if any other teams would think he was more than a borderline NBA player/3rd string guy.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Beal is number one scorer in whole Nba 35 ppg, was all nba player, multiple all star, only 27 in his prime, was one game away from eastern conference finals, was in team Usa program. What Lavine acomplished that significant, that this forum consider him better player? Obviously 30 gm and coaches thinks different and value Beal more.

[WYO]

Please stop, these are horrific.

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You just made my life 100 times better. Thank you.

[PrimzyBulls81]

Please stop, these are horrific.

This forum really needs an ignore option. That would make this thread 100 times better.

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yeah,I tried and it works! These guy is just spamming the board with his crazy trade ideas all the time! majority of them doesnt make sense.. He is probably some youngster living in his NBA GM laptop game!? Lauri-Kukoc

[weneeda2guard]

Beal is number one scorer in whole Nba 35 ppg, was all nba player, multiple all star, only 27 in his prime, was one game away from eastern conference finals, was in team Usa program. What Lavine acomplished that significant, that this forum consider him better player? Obviously 30 gm and coaches thinks different and value Beal more.

I think most of us admit overall beal is the better player with the better career. I would argue for thus season alone that hasn't been the case but that's not the point of the hesitation to trade for him. Beal is better but he is not "that much" better than lavine where we ship him and our assets for beal and think we took a step forward. That kind of move feels lateral and looks more like a personal shot to lavine then a move to improve the team because judging by how beal has been doing with the wiz the past couple seasons no major improvements are coming.

I'm for trying to get them both together then trying to find a 3rd and 4th wheel to roll with lavine and Beal with Patrick Williams still in the mix. If that's not the course I just dont want to do it

[sco]

Dallas has been sucking. I wonder if they might want Otto. The guy I love there is Brunson. To make salaries work, a deal could look like: Otto/Hutch/Kornet for Brunson/JJ/Richardson. JJ is an expiring but could give us PF depth if we trade Lauri. Richardson has a PO for $11M next season, which he may not exercise, but it's not out of market for a back-up wing.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

My trade proposals for Lavine are not personal shots on him, they are objecttive proposals based on insiders report, gm interwievs and body of work he puts. Bulls currently have more wins than Washington,Detroit and Minesotta. That is it. 4 seasons with Lavine with zero 30 wins, zero playoffs. Read all others teams forum it is rare fans would give even 2 frp for Lavine. Gsw would trade Wiseman and Minny pick for Beal no way they would do the same for Lavine. Bucks had option to trade 3 frp and 3 swaps for Lavine but they choose Holiday, all star in west who won playoff series against Blazers and put clamps on Dame. In head to head in january Holiday shut down Lavine. For me Lavine is still playing below average defense and make dumb decisions in crunch time. 4,5 turnovers per game is still way high. Brogdon,Brown,Young all are deserving playoff nod before Lavine. Beal,Irving,Harden based on whole career most likley too. I would love Lavine to became all star, because his status to refs and trade value would be higher, but there is lot of kidds sold on dunks and flashy logo threes and defend Lavine as his stans without realitty chek and are dellusional about his value. White and Carter dont have great trade value around league.

[gobullschi]

My trade proposals for Lavine are not personal shots on him, they are objecttive proposals based on insiders report, gm interwievs and body of work he puts. Bulls currently have more wins than Washington,Detroit and Minesotta. That is it. 4 seasons with Lavine with zero 30 wins, zero playoffs. Read all others teams forum it is rare fans would give even 2 frp for Lavine. Gsw would trade Wiseman and Minny pick for Beal no way they would do the same for Lavine. Bucks had option to trade 3 frp and 3 swaps for Lavine but they choose Holiday, all star in west who won playoff series against Blazers and put clamps on Dame. In head to head in january Holiday shut down Lavine. For me Lavine is still playing below average defense and make dumb decisions in crunch time. 4,5 turnovers per game is still way high. Brogdon,Brown,Young all are deserving playoff nod before Lavine. Beal,Irving,Harden based on whole career most likley too. I would love Lavine to became all star, because his status to refs and trade value would be higher, but there is lot of kidds sold on dunks and flashy logo threes and defend Lavine as his stans without realitty chek and are dellusional about his value. White and Carter dont have great trade value around league.

I don’t agree with nearly every post that you make. I honestly can’t tell if you’re being a troll or if you genuinely believe the points you try to make.

Post these ‘insider reports’ and ‘GM interviews’ and then break down your evaluation of his ‘body of work’ in the context of the TEAM.

As most people have pointed out to you, there are many things that are being ignored when evaluating Zach LaVine’s career. First, he’s had 6 head coaches in his 7 year NBA career. That type of instability makes it damn near impossible to play turnover free basketball. Not only is he learning a new system, but so are all his teammates.

Second, you can’t criticize a player for not making the playoffs when his supporting cast is either under-performing or out because of injuries. Look at the teams in the playoffs every year. Evaluate the ‘gap’ between the Bulls 2nd best player and any playoff teams 2nd best player. It’s simple, Markkanen and White haven’t lived up to expectations (yet). Zach LaVine has the defenses full attention and he doesn’t have a guy on the roster who can efficiently create space and make a basket. There is too much weight on his shoulders night in and night out. That isn’t a slight on LaVine, that’s a slight on the rest of the roster.

I don’t believe that fans are delusional about his value. I think the national media just hasn’t caught on to how much better he has gotten every year, which isn’t unusual considering they aren’t playing in the playoffs (national media). Averaging 27PPG, 5RPG, & 5APG and on the border of the legendary 50 - 40 - 90 club is insane for a 25 year old. I understand Bulls fans being frustrated with this team, but pointing fingers at LaVine instead of every other player on the team is asinine.

Personally, I hope they don’t trade LaVine and they find a way to add some more talent to this roster. If they were to trade him, it would be to get multiple high upside assets. For example, when the Bulls traded Jimmy Butler, it was the hope that you trade the better player at that time (Butler) for multiple pieces that have the ‘potential’ to become TWO ‘Jimmy Butler’ level players. In the Bulls case, they hoped 2 out of LaVine/Markkanen/Dunn would ascend to that level. Any LaVine deal that doesn’t offer that type of potential, doesn’t make any sense. The only argument is ‘tank for a better draft pick’ and that argument disappeared when they changed the lottery rules.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

My trade proposals for Lavine are not personal shots on him, they are objecttive proposals based on insiders report, gm interwievs and body of work he puts. Bulls currently have more wins than Washington,Detroit and Minesotta. That is it. 4 seasons with Lavine with zero 30 wins, zero playoffs. Read all others teams forum it is rare fans would give even 2 frp for Lavine. Gsw would trade Wiseman and Minny pick for Beal no way they would do the same for Lavine. Bucks had option to trade 3 frp and 3 swaps for Lavine but they choose Holiday, all star in west who won playoff series against Blazers and put clamps on Dame. In head to head in january Holiday shut down Lavine. For me Lavine is still playing below average defense and make dumb decisions in crunch time. 4,5 turnovers per game is still way high. Brogdon,Brown,Young all are deserving playoff nod before Lavine. Beal,Irving,Harden based on whole career most likley too. I would love Lavine to became all star, because his status to refs and trade value would be higher, but there is lot of kidds sold on dunks and flashy logo threes and defend Lavine as his stans without realitty chek and are dellusional about his value. White and Carter dont have great trade value around league.

I don’t agree with nearly every post that you make. I honestly can’t tell if you’re being a troll or if you genuinely believe the points you try to make.

Post these ‘insider reports’ and ‘GM interviews’ and then break down your evaluation of his ‘body of work’ in the context of the TEAM.

As most people have pointed out to you, there are many things that are being ignored when evaluating Zach LaVine’s career. First, he’s had 6 head coaches in his 7 year NBA career. That type of instability makes it damn near impossible to play turnover free basketball. Not only is he learning a new system, but so are all his teammates.

Second, you can’t criticize a player for not making the playoffs when his supporting cast is either under-performing or out because of injuries. Look at the teams in the playoffs every year. Evaluate the ‘gap’ between the Bulls 2nd best player and any playoff teams 2nd best player. It’s simple, Markkanen and White haven’t lived up to expectations (yet). Zach LaVine has the defenses full attention and he doesn’t have a guy on the roster who can efficiently create space and make a basket. There is too much weight on his shoulders night in and night out. That isn’t a slight on LaVine, that’s a slight on the rest of the roster.

I don’t believe that fans are delusional about his value. I think the national media just hasn’t caught on to how much better he has gotten every year, which isn’t unusual considering they aren’t playing in the playoffs (national media). Averaging 27PPG, 5RPG, & 5APG and on the border of the legendary 50 - 40 - 90 club is insane for a 25 year old. I understand Bulls fans being frustrated with this team, but pointing fingers at LaVine instead of every other player on the team is asinine.

Personally, I hope they don’t trade LaVine and they find a way to add some more talent to this roster. If they were to trade him, it would be to get multiple high upside assets. For example, when the Bulls traded Jimmy Butler, it was the hope that you trade the better player at that time (Butler) for multiple pieces that have the ‘potential’ to become TWO ‘Jimmy Butler’ level players. In the Bulls case, they hoped 2 out of LaVine/Markkanen/Dunn would ascend to that level. Any LaVine deal that doesn’t offer that type of potential, doesn’t make any sense. The only argument is ‘tank for a better draft pick’ and that argument disappeared when they changed the lottery rules.

ok if i am troll, all other 29 gm-s in nba are trolls as well. Nba coaches who see him first hand had opportunity to select him as reserve all star in east in last two seasons they opted out of that. Maybe Nba coaches are trolling also. Or Usa basketball, they selected 45 players for olympics without Lavine. Sure they also are there to troll Lavine. As a Bulls fan i would be happy for Lavine to made all star , becames two way player and superstar but for that to happend i see too many holes in his game.

[sco]

OK, Lauri out 2-4 weeks. He failed my durability test for the season. I am officially willing to sell at any price (ANY PRICE) at the deadline, which, at least he'll be back for.

[gobullschi]

My trade proposals for Lavine are not personal shots on him, they are objecttive proposals based on insiders report, gm interwievs and body of work he puts. Bulls currently have more wins than Washington,Detroit and Minesotta. That is it. 4 seasons with Lavine with zero 30 wins, zero playoffs. Read all others teams forum it is rare fans would give even 2 frp for Lavine. Gsw would trade Wiseman and Minny pick for Beal no way they would do the same for Lavine. Bucks had option to trade 3 frp and 3 swaps for Lavine but they choose Holiday, all star in west who won playoff series against Blazers and put clamps on Dame. In head to head in january Holiday shut down Lavine. For me Lavine is still playing below average defense and make dumb decisions in crunch time. 4,5 turnovers per game is still way high. Brogdon,Brown,Young all are deserving playoff nod before Lavine. Beal,Irving,Harden based on whole career most likley too. I would love Lavine to became all star, because his status to refs and trade value would be higher, but there is lot of kidds sold on dunks and flashy logo threes and defend Lavine as his stans without realitty chek and are dellusional about his value. White and Carter dont have great trade value around league.

I don’t agree with nearly every post that you make. I honestly can’t tell if you’re being a troll or if you genuinely believe the points you try to make.

Post these ‘insider reports’ and ‘GM interviews’ and then break down your evaluation of his ‘body of work’ in the context of the TEAM.

As most people have pointed out to you, there are many things that are being ignored when evaluating Zach LaVine’s career. First, he’s had 6 head coaches in his 7 year NBA career. That type of instability makes it damn near impossible to play turnover free basketball. Not only is he learning a new system, but so are all his teammates.

Second, you can’t criticize a player for not making the playoffs when his supporting cast is either under-performing or out because of injuries. Look at the teams in the playoffs every year. Evaluate the ‘gap’ between the Bulls 2nd best player and any playoff teams 2nd best player. It’s simple, Markkanen and White haven’t lived up to expectations (yet). Zach LaVine has the defenses full attention and he doesn’t have a guy on the roster who can efficiently create space and make a basket. There is too much weight on his shoulders night in and night out. That isn’t a slight on LaVine, that’s a slight on the rest of the roster.

I don’t believe that fans are delusional about his value. I think the national media just hasn’t caught on to how much better he has gotten every year, which isn’t unusual considering they aren’t playing in the playoffs (national media). Averaging 27PPG, 5RPG, & 5APG and on the border of the legendary 50 - 40 - 90 club is insane for a 25 year old. I understand Bulls fans being frustrated with this team, but pointing fingers at LaVine instead of every other player on the team is asinine.

Personally, I hope they don’t trade LaVine and they find a way to add some more talent to this roster. If they were to trade him, it would be to get multiple high upside assets. For example, when the Bulls traded Jimmy Butler, it was the hope that you trade the better player at that time (Butler) for multiple pieces that have the ‘potential’ to become TWO ‘Jimmy Butler’ level players. In the Bulls case, they hoped 2 out of LaVine/Markkanen/Dunn would ascend to that level. Any LaVine deal that doesn’t offer that type of potential, doesn’t make any sense. The only argument is ‘tank for a better draft pick’ and that argument disappeared when they changed the lottery rules.

ok if i am troll, all other 29 gm-s in nba are trolls as well. Nba coaches who see him first hand had opportunity to select him as reserve all star in east in last two seasons they opted out of that. Maybe Nba coaches are trolling also. Or Usa basketball, they selected 45 players for olympics without Lavine. Sure they also are there to troll Lavine. As a Bulls fan i would be happy for Lavine to made all star , becames two way player and superstar but for that to happend i see too many holes in his game.

I’m not following any of your logic. What about the 29 other NBA teams? Making an all-star team is so reliant on a teams record or a players popularity, that it’s not a reflection of true talent. Klay Thompson got 100,000 votes this year and he hasn’t played since 2019. Derrick Rose has almost 200,000 votes. Andrew freaking Wiggins got 265,000.

Just because he wasn’t one of the 45 players selected for the Olympics, doesn’t mean he wasn’t deserving. Again, LaVine is 25 years old and still getting better every year. His time will come.

[Almost Retired]

OK, Lauri out 2-4 weeks. He failed my durability test for the season. I am officially willing to sell at any price (ANY PRICE) at the deadline, which, at least he'll be back for.

I think we need to move on from all our players with recurrent durability issues....Otto, Lauri, Carter and Hutch. Injuries happen. But when they happen year after year you just can't rely on those guys. And they seem to get injured around the same time so that you get multiple holes in your lineups. You can work around losing one rotational player. It's almost impossible to work around having 3 or 4 rotation players out, especially when you have G-League or worse talent at the end of your bench.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

I don’t agree with nearly every post that you make. I honestly can’t tell if you’re being a troll or if you genuinely believe the points you try to make.

Post these ‘insider reports’ and ‘GM interviews’ and then break down your evaluation of his ‘body of work’ in the context of the TEAM.

As most people have pointed out to you, there are many things that are being ignored when evaluating Zach LaVine’s career. First, he’s had 6 head coaches in his 7 year NBA career. That type of instability makes it damn near impossible to play turnover free basketball. Not only is he learning a new system, but so are all his teammates.

Second, you can’t criticize a player for not making the playoffs when his supporting cast is either under-performing or out because of injuries. Look at the teams in the playoffs every year. Evaluate the ‘gap’ between the Bulls 2nd best player and any playoff teams 2nd best player. It’s simple, Markkanen and White haven’t lived up to expectations (yet). Zach LaVine has the defenses full attention and he doesn’t have a guy on the roster who can efficiently create space and make a basket. There is too much weight on his shoulders night in and night out. That isn’t a slight on LaVine, that’s a slight on the rest of the roster.

I don’t believe that fans are delusional about his value. I think the national media just hasn’t caught on to how much better he has gotten every year, which isn’t unusual considering they aren’t playing in the playoffs (national media). Averaging 27PPG, 5RPG, & 5APG and on the border of the legendary 50 - 40 - 90 club is insane for a 25 year old. I understand Bulls fans being frustrated with this team, but pointing fingers at LaVine instead of every other player on the team is asinine.

Personally, I hope they don’t trade LaVine and they find a way to add some more talent to this roster. If they were to trade him, it would be to get multiple high upside assets. For example, when the Bulls traded Jimmy Butler, it was the hope that you trade the better player at that time (Butler) for multiple pieces that have the ‘potential’ to become TWO ‘Jimmy Butler’ level players. In the Bulls case, they hoped 2 out of LaVine/Markkanen/Dunn would ascend to that level. Any LaVine deal that doesn’t offer that type of potential, doesn’t make any sense. The only argument is ‘tank for a better draft pick’ and that argument disappeared when they changed the lottery rules.

ok if i am troll, all other 29 gm-s in nba are trolls as well. Nba coaches who see him first hand had opportunity to select him as reserve all star in east in last two seasons they opted out of that. Maybe Nba coaches are trolling also. Or Usa basketball, they selected 45 players for olympics without Lavine. Sure they also are there to troll Lavine. As a Bulls fan i would be happy for Lavine to made all star , becames two way player and superstar but for that to happend i see too many holes in his game.

I’m not following any of your logic. What about the 29 other NBA teams? Making an all-star team is so reliant on a teams record or a players popularity, that it’s not a reflection of true talent. Klay Thompson got 100,000 votes this year and he hasn’t played since 2019. Derrick Rose has almost 200,000 votes. Andrew freaking Wiggins got 265,000.

Just because he wasn’t one of the 45 players selected for the Olympics, doesn’t mean he wasn’t deserving. Again, LaVine is 25 years old and still getting better every year. His time will come.

All star reservs are made by Nba coaches, not fans. So coaches who knows x and o's, player impact on winning. What about other 29 gm-s. If Lavine is such difference maker Buck gm would offer 3 first and three first swaps for 25 Lavine who is on same timeline as Giannis not 30 yo Jrue Holiday. If Lavine is better than Beal why Warriors gm Bob Myers send offer to Ak package Wiseman and Minny pick. He wouldnt do that for Lavine, he would for Bradley Beal. Why Morey offered Simmons for Harden and would offer Ben for Beal and wouldnt do the same for Lavine and so on. There is relative hughe gap between nba gm-s, coaches, media members, fans from other teams in terms of valuing Lavine and some dellusional Bulls fans who overvalue him like he is legit all nba player and bonfided all star.