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[AirP.]

This all depends on what Houston are looking for. I don't see the Knicks offering more than capspace, picks and their trash players they trying to unload. Because they can afford to offer Oladipo the max without his bird rights next season.

If the Knicks are prepared to offer Barret and a FRP, or Quickly and 2FRPs and to a lesser extent Toppin and a FRP then the conversation is moot because I don't see us matching those offers. I think Precious and a FRP matches the Toppin and a FRP but the other two I don't see us offering Robinson, Precious and a FRP for Oladipo and thats likely what it would take to match those offers.

Right, PICKS, that's what Houston wants. The only reason they'd want Robinson would be to move him to a contender for picks, they had Brooklyn find a 1st round pick for J.Allen. They basically got a bunch of picks and LeVert and turned him into an expiring Oladipo to trade him for more picks unless they're actually wanting to max him which wouldn't be a bad thing for that franchise since they could still move him in the future. It's like this story just played out with Paul George and the Clippers.

So 1 1/2 years after Butler forced his way to Miami, this front office has done very little to improve the roster, they rented Crowder, got Iggy and sent out Justise and 2 other players of little importance. It's such a waste of Butler's last prime years. At some point shouldn't this FO do something instead of just continuing to wait?

[dean456]

This all depends on what Houston are looking for. I don't see the Knicks offering more than capspace, picks and their trash players they trying to unload. Because they can afford to offer Oladipo the max without his bird rights next season.

If the Knicks are prepared to offer Barret and a FRP, or Quickly and 2FRPs and to a lesser extent Toppin and a FRP then the conversation is moot because I don't see us matching those offers. I think Precious and a FRP matches the Toppin and a FRP but the other two I don't see us offering Robinson, Precious and a FRP for Oladipo and thats likely what it would take to match those offers.

Right, PICKS, that's what Houston wants. The only reason they'd want Robinson would be to move him to a contender for picks, they had Brooklyn find a 1st round pick for J.Allen. They basically got a bunch of picks and LeVert and turned him into an expiring Oladipo to trade him for more picks unless they're actually wanting to max him which wouldn't be a bad thing for that franchise since they could still move him in the future. It's like this story just played out with Paul George and the Clippers.

So 1 1/2 years after Butler forced his way to Miami, this front office has done very little to improve the roster, they rented Crowder, got Iggy and sent out Justise and 2 other players of little importance. It's such a waste of Butler's last prime years. At some point shouldn't this FO do something instead of just continuing to wait?

So your solution is what? We don't have the picks to match any Knicks trade if they are throwing in multiple picks. If Houston don't want Robinson, Miami will need to find a 3rd team to trade Robinson for multiple picks and trade those and Precious for Oladipo. We don't have the cap room to absorb him into cap space so we'd still need to match near 15.5mil in salary, So either Iggy/Olynyk and someone else.

I want the team to get considerably better and I think if you subtract Robinson, Precious, Iggy, whoever else and add Oladipo we aren't better.

[twix2500]

if Knicks want Victor they will get him. I do not think the Heat can match. Victor is a good fit for the Knicks. He complements Quickley.

[twix2500]

I think Heat options are very narrow. I think getting J. McGee is an option this season and would help. He would be excellent in the zone defensive sets. I am not confident in putting Bam and Aciuwa on Embiid. McGee length may also make Harkless playable at the 4 in certain sets

[twix2500]

“A lot of it depends on how he responds to all of this stuff,” Donovan said before Friday’s game. “We’re trying to figure out could this be something that will be recurring? Can we get it resolved? And a lot is going to depend on how he’s feeling as well. He’s getting treatment, I think he feels better today than he did probably a couple days ago, but certainly not well enough to go out there and play at the level he expects.”
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bulls/ct-chicago-bulls-otto-porter-back-injury-20210206-bwob36wdujhyfjxgvv2y5p2ksu-story.html

Otto Porter injury update. Doesn't sound promising

[AirP.]

So your solution is what? We don't have the picks to match any Knicks trade if they are throwing in multiple picks. If Houston don't want Robinson, Miami will need to find a 3rd team to trade Robinson for multiple picks and trade those and Precious for Oladipo. We don't have the cap room to absorb him into cap space so we'd still need to match near 15.5mil in salary, So either Iggy/Olynyk and someone else.

I want the team to get considerably better and I think if you subtract Robinson, Precious, Iggy, whoever else and add Oladipo we aren't better.

Depends on the trade.

If it costs Robinson(for probably late 1st round picks), I'd try to get a 2nd from OKC by working a deal to remove protections on the 2023 pick which would allow Miami to be able to trade picks/swaps past 2023, I'd rather give up swaps if possible, if Miami made this trade they should be better then Houston for the next 5-6 years.

So we're looking at 2 1sts and maybe a pick swap down the line as compensation, you then give them filler and if they want Precious in that package, you demand Tucker also. If you can't get Tucker you have to be able to bring back a rotational big, maybe Cousins.

It may end up looking like Oladipo and PJ for Robinson(picks), Leonard, Olynyk and Precious. You then have Nunn, Bradley, Butler, Tucker and Bam starting with Dragic, Herro, Harkless/Strus, and whatever bigs you can find for backups. I'd call Faried, J.Henson, Ilyasova, RHJ, J.Bell, Dedmon, and TJ Leaf, there's a few more out there not signed that may be interesting depending on what you'd want.

PG - Oladipo, Dragic
SG - Bradley, Herro, Nunn
SF - Butler, Harkless, Strus
PF - PJ.Tucker, Ilyasova/RHJ/Leaf
C - Bam, Faried/Henson/Dedmon

To me, that's a strong finals contender for 2-3 years before you really have to start making some changes because of age but you'd still have the ability to have as your core Bam, Oladipo(he should have another 2-3 strong years left at this point), Herro, and Nunn with a couple of roleplayers in Harkless and Strus.

[RexBoyWonder]

PJ tucker is an almost 36YO undersized PF that is averaging 4.9 points and 4.8 rebounds per game in over 30 minutes.

I've never seen a more overrated player on this board, some of you talk like he's the piece that takes us to another level.

[RexBoyWonder]

And with the way Dipo is playing, We shouldn't give up any assets for him right now. he looks washed.

We need to keep Herro/Nunn/Dragic and hope combined we get god enough guard play.

What we should target is a legit PF/C to play next to Bam, Iggy and Harkless ain't it.

[dean456]

And with the way Dipo is playing, We shouldn't give up any assets for him right now. he looks washed.

We need to keep Herro/Nunn/Dragic and hope combined we get god enough guard play.

What we should target is a legit PF/C to play next to Bam, Iggy and Harkless ain't it.

This is an important consideration when establishing what Oladipo's current trade value is. He's still a 20/5/5 player but he is taking 19.2 attempts per game so far with Houston and shooting 38.7% from the field and 28.9% from 3. Since his injury he's been averaging a FG% of 40.9% and 33% from 3.

Also his defensive impact has taken quite a hit. Before his injury his DWS were 4.0 and DBPM was +1.7 and is currently 0.8 and -0.6 respectively. In comparison Herro is a 0.4 and -1.5 and Robinson is a 0.5 and -1.4 so definitely still better than our current options but still not by a crazy amount.

Obviously that doesn't tell the whole story but it does show you that he is still far from the guy he was prior to his injury and may not get back there.

I'm okay giving up assets for him and I'm not against trading for him but just some things to consider. I do hope though that if we do give up assets that he will come with other pieces that fill other holes on our roster.

[AirP.]

PJ tucker is an almost 36YO undersized PF that is averaging 4.9 points and 4.8 rebounds per game in over 30 minutes.

I've never seen a more overrated player on this board, some of you talk like he's the piece that takes us to another level.

When you're starting Olynyk who isn't good on defense, yeah PJ Tucker is a sizable upgrade. The less "bad" players you play the better your team is.

Is PJ Tucker a great player, no, he's a role player who plays good defense, can handle stronger bigs in the post, and shoots 3s from the corner well, he's very limited offensively but he plays within his role.

The real question is this, for this year(since both are expiring) would you rather have Olynyk or Tucker if you're trying to go deep in the playoffs, I think most(by a wide margin) would answer Tucker.

[RexBoyWonder]

PJ tucker is an almost 36YO undersized PF that is averaging 4.9 points and 4.8 rebounds per game in over 30 minutes.

I've never seen a more overrated player on this board, some of you talk like he's the piece that takes us to another level.

When you're starting Olynyk who isn't good on defense, yeah PJ Tucker is a sizable upgrade. The less "bad" players you play the better your team is.

Is PJ Tucker a great player, no, he's a role player who plays good defense, can handle stronger bigs in the post, and shoots 3s from the corner well, he's very limited offensively but he plays within his role.

The real question is this, for this year(since both are expiring) would you rather have Olynyk or Tucker if you're trying to go deep in the playoffs, I think most(by a wide margin) would answer Tucker.

in 2021, I'm really not sure Tucker is an upgrade over Kelly all things considered.

I am sure about this - We shouldn't give up assets like picks/prospects for a guy like Tucker. He's a guy you pick up if he gets bought out, not a guy you trade real assets or players for.

Giving up a first round pick/Precious for a 36YO marginal upgrade (if that) is awfully short sighted and a classic panic move.

[AirP.]

PJ tucker is an almost 36YO undersized PF that is averaging 4.9 points and 4.8 rebounds per game in over 30 minutes.

I've never seen a more overrated player on this board, some of you talk like he's the piece that takes us to another level.

When you're starting Olynyk who isn't good on defense, yeah PJ Tucker is a sizable upgrade. The less "bad" players you play the better your team is.

Is PJ Tucker a great player, no, he's a role player who plays good defense, can handle stronger bigs in the post, and shoots 3s from the corner well, he's very limited offensively but he plays within his role.

The real question is this, for this year(since both are expiring) would you rather have Olynyk or Tucker if you're trying to go deep in the playoffs, I think most(by a wide margin) would answer Tucker.

in 2021, I'm really not sure Tucker is an upgrade over Kelly all things considered.

I am sure about this - We shouldn't give up assets like picks/prospects for a guy like Tucker. He's a guy you pick up if he gets bought out, not a guy you trade real assets or players for.

Giving up a first round pick/Precious for a 36YO marginal upgrade (if that) is awfully short sighted and a classic panic move.

I don't give up Precious and a 1st, actually neither for Tucker, I think maybe he's worth 1 or possibly 2 2nd round picks and matching salary to make 2021's team better, possibly much better depending on who goes out.

Precious I value as a late lottery pick, the firsts for Miami with Bam around, a mid to mid late 1st round pick.

I've heard the reports of Houston looking for a 1st for him hoping a contender is willing to pay that price to upgrade(and possibly retain him for a couple more years for their bench) but I think overall a 2nd could get him.

Previously when I said if they ask for Precious in the Oladipo package since Houston may want more for him, you may give in but you need to be compensated for some of that give in. No, I don't move Precious straight up for Tucker.

I actually believe Miami is overselling how much Precious is a "sponge" for learning so Miami fans will think Precious will be much better at the end of the season so there's little outcry to trade him(not sure how this year's played out effects that possible plan). His play on the court and/or Spoelstra limiting what he's allowed to do doesn't exactly say he's learning all that much at this point, he nearly does the minimum amount of actions one could do on the court still and still doesn't get much time other then backing up Bam. If long term the plan is he's just a backup, yeah Miami should explore his value with other teams in the league. I like Precious but I think Miami wants a 3pt shooting big next to Bam. Even if Bam learns to shoot 3s he's still going to have the offense run through him near the free throw line meaning the opposite big has to be a 3pt shooter. Can Precious become a good enough 3pt shooter, maybe, I think he has it in him but it's probably not happening this year and probably not next year either.

[twix2500]

Unless teams come down close a reasonable deal. It may be best to show a lot if interest in the player you want then just go after them this summer. Besides Oladipo, the players the Heat are interested in are very old and on a 1 yr deal like Tucker and Lowry.

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[Bishop45]

PJ tucker is an almost 36YO undersized PF that is averaging 4.9 points and 4.8 rebounds per game in over 30 minutes.

I've never seen a more overrated player on this board, some of you talk like he's the piece that takes us to another level.

Plays interior/perimeter defense.

[wadenation305]

And with the way Dipo is playing, We shouldn't give up any assets for him right now. he looks washed.

We need to keep Herro/Nunn/Dragic and hope combined we get god enough guard play.

What we should target is a legit PF/C to play next to Bam, Iggy and Harkless ain't it.

This is an important consideration when establishing what Oladipo's current trade value is. He's still a 20/5/5 player but he is taking 19.2 attempts per game so far with Houston and shooting 38.7% from the field and 28.9% from 3. Since his injury he's been averaging a FG% of 40.9% and 33% from 3.

Also his defensive impact has taken quite a hit. Before his injury his DWS were 4.0 and DBPM was +1.7 and is currently 0.8 and -0.6 respectively. In comparison Herro is a 0.4 and -1.5 and Robinson is a 0.5 and -1.4 so definitely still better than our current options but still not by a crazy amount.

Obviously that doesn't tell the whole story but it does show you that he is still far from the guy he was prior to his injury and may not get back there.

I'm okay giving up assets for him and I'm not against trading for him but just some things to consider. I do hope though that if we do give up assets that he will come with other pieces that fill other holes on our roster.

The only way I give assets to Houston with Dipo coming here is if he's coming as a throw in while the main player is Boogie.

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[Bishop45]

Ste-eph-ort-less

[Bishop45]

People are taking for granted what the Warriors are doing; I still feel like I don't know half their team

[dean456]

People are taking for granted what the Warriors are doing; I still feel like I don't know half their team

They are doing okay but the only notable wins they have had are once against both LAL and LAC. The rest of their schedule they've either lost or beaten teams they probably should have.

[AirP.]

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