Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason

[the_process]

I get what you mean.

But it’s not like we have a surplus of talent that we can afford to sacrifice talent for some financial savings that doesnt really benefit the team except for Josh Harris’ wallet.

After Embiid, I find Tobi to be the most important player on the team right now. Tobi right now has the highest On vs Off NetRtg on the team, higher than Embiid.

Let’s say if you can trade anyone, except Embiid, for Robert Covington I find that the team would suffer the most if it’s for Tobi.

If Im trading Tobi, I atleast need a guy who can be a 2nd option in crunch time after Embiid.

Tobias is shooting unsustainably hot from 3. He goes back to his regular 37-38%, that's one less 3 a game, he's a 17PPG guy again, and as mentioned above, he's right back to being the worst contract in the league.

Seth Curry and Danny Green also need to be dealt. It's not about this year. Maybe tonight will remind everyone of that.

We’re not trading anyone just because they had a bad game or else it’s going to be a revolving door.

Its not like we’re trading Tobias for Klay Thompson and Duncan Robinson. Fournier and Bjelica are both in the same tier of bad or average version of Tobi but WITHOUT THE UPSIDE.

And right now, unless we can get a legit number 2 scorer (some perimeter scorer that can average atleast 25ppg on good TS%), we have to rely on that upside of Tobi.

I'm not referring to any trade in specific, but rather just moving Tobias in general. You cannot have 3 max guys who all play in the front court. That's what the Sixers have right now. One has to be a guard. Also how long is ownership paying the tax for a team that has no shot at winning a ring? Are they paying repeater tax?? Will they even re-sign Danny Green this offseason if he's still here or just let him walk for the cap savings???

Also Tobi has no upside. This is the absolute best version of him you are seeing right now.

[76ciology]

Tobias is shooting unsustainably hot from 3. He goes back to his regular 37-38%, that's one less 3 a game, he's a 17PPG guy again, and as mentioned above, he's right back to being the worst contract in the league.

Seth Curry and Danny Green also need to be dealt. It's not about this year. Maybe tonight will remind everyone of that.

We’re not trading anyone just because they had a bad game or else it’s going to be a revolving door.

Its not like we’re trading Tobias for Klay Thompson and Duncan Robinson. Fournier and Bjelica are both in the same tier of bad or average version of Tobi but WITHOUT THE UPSIDE.

And right now, unless we can get a legit number 2 scorer (some perimeter scorer that can average atleast 25ppg on good TS%), we have to rely on that upside of Tobi.

I'm not referring to any trade in specific, but rather just moving Tobias in general. You cannot have 3 max guys who all play in the front court. That's what the Sixers have right now. One has to be a guard. Also how long is ownership paying the tax for a team that has no shot at winning a ring? Are they paying repeater tax?? Will they even re-sign Danny Green this offseason if he's still here or just let him walk for the cap savings???

Also Tobi has no upside. This is the absolute best version of him you are seeing right now.

“3 max guys who play in the frontcourt.” Umm, you can. If your definition of frontcourt includes wings. And if you look at the numbers Tobi, Ben and Biid are a highly effective trio. It’s not like we’re starting Noel, Okafor and Embiid.

What you can’t have is two max players who are not star caliber scorers with one of them is a mere 20ppg scorer in Tobi to make up for Ben’s inferior scoring or an inferior 15ppg scorer next to Tobi.

..and getting Fournier and Bjelica wont solve that problem and just makes it worse.

[the_process]

We’re not trading anyone just because they had a bad game or else it’s going to be a revolving door.

Its not like we’re trading Tobias for Klay Thompson and Duncan Robinson. Fournier and Bjelica are both in the same tier of bad or average version of Tobi but WITHOUT THE UPSIDE.

And right now, unless we can get a legit number 2 scorer (some perimeter scorer that can average atleast 25ppg on good TS%), we have to rely on that upside of Tobi.

I'm not referring to any trade in specific, but rather just moving Tobias in general. You cannot have 3 max guys who all play in the front court. That's what the Sixers have right now. One has to be a guard. Also how long is ownership paying the tax for a team that has no shot at winning a ring? Are they paying repeater tax?? Will they even re-sign Danny Green this offseason if he's still here or just let him walk for the cap savings???

Also Tobi has no upside. This is the absolute best version of him you are seeing right now.

“3 max guys who play in the frontcourt.” Umm, you can. If your definition of frontcourt includes wings. And if you look at the numbers Tobi, Ben and Biid are a highly effective trio. It’s not like we’re starting Noel, Okafor and Embiid.

What you can’t have is two max players who are not star caliber scorers with one of them is a mere 20ppg scorer in Tobi to make up for Ben’s inferior scoring or an inferior 15ppg scorer next to Tobi.

..and getting Fournier and Bjelica wont solve that problem and just makes it worse.

I don't care about Fournier and Bjelica. Also, expanding it to wings suddenly includes guards.

[Tomjas]

Kevin Knocks is a really good athlete who has completely lost his way at the Knicks

Shouldn’t cost much and would be interesting to see what Doc could do with him as he’s way better than unplayable

[ProcessDoctor]

CHI out: LaVine, Young
CHI in: Hield, Bjelica, Maxey, PHI 2021 FRP

PHI out: Harris, Maxey, Korkmaz, 2021 FRP
PHI in: LaVine, Young

SAC out: Hield, Bjelica
SAC in: Harris, Korkmaz


Simmons(14)/Curry(28)/Milton(6)
LaVine(34)/Milton(14)
Green(28)/Thybulle(20)
Young(28)/Simmons(20)
Embiid(32)/Howard(16)


Simmons/Curry/FA
LaVine/Milton/Joe
Green/Thybulle/Ferguson
Young/Scott
Embiid/Howard/Bradley/Poirer

[PhillyNj]

Three team trade:
Sixers out Green,Scott, Ferguson,Bradley and FRP(Cleveland)
Sixers in Lowry

Toronto: out Lowry and FRP( Cleveland)
in Drummond

Cleveland: out Drummond
IN Green,Scott, Ferguson,Bradley +2 FRP (2021 raptors+Sixers)

Sixers get their point guard
Raptors get a real center
Cavs get a couple FRP’s and Danny Green.

[Monix]

Kevin Knocks is a really good athlete who has completely lost his way at the Knicks

Shouldn’t cost much and would be interesting to see what Doc could do with him as he’s way better than unplayable

do you mean Knocks from the Knix?

[Monix]

Wayne Ellington is on my radar - minimum contract and shooting the lights out

[Stanford]

Unfortunately, Ellington would shoot 26% from three with us.

Hasn't Knox been the worst player in the NBA over the past three years?

[phifans]

Three team trade:
Sixers out Green,Scott, Ferguson,Bradley and FRP(Cleveland)
Sixers in Lowry

Toronto: out Lowry and FRP( Cleveland)
in Drummond

Cleveland: out Drummond
IN Green,Scott, Ferguson,Bradley +2 FRP (2021 raptors+Sixers)

Sixers get their point guard
Raptors get a real center
Cavs get a couple FRP’s and Danny Green.

I assume we won't have any bird rights on Lowry if we get him during the season since he's on a one year contract. Am I right ?

If that's the case I'm not sure if we should give up anything valuable... maybe expiring contract plus SRP and Joe ?

[the_process]

Harris, Scott, Korkmaz, and PHI 2021 1st to SAC

Joseph, 2021 NYK 2nd, and PHI 2026 1st to OKC

Barnes, Bjelica, Miller, Hill, and protected 2025 PHI 1st returned to PHI (cut Poirier)


Hill/Milton/Maxey
Green/Curry/Joe/Tucker*
Simmons/Thybulle/Ferguson
Barnes/Bjelica/Miller/Reed*
Embiid/Howard/Bradley

[PhillyNj]

Three team trade:
Sixers out Green,Scott, Ferguson,Bradley and FRP(Cleveland)
Sixers in Lowry

Toronto: out Lowry and FRP( Cleveland)
in Drummond

Cleveland: out Drummond
IN Green,Scott, Ferguson,Bradley +2 FRP (2021 raptors+Sixers)

Sixers get their point guard
Raptors get a real center
Cavs get a couple FRP’s and Danny Green.

I assume we won't have any bird rights on Lowry if we get him during the season since he's on a one year contract. Am I right ?

If that's the case I'm not sure if we should give up anything valuable... maybe expiring contract plus SRP and Joe ?

Actually I do believe we’d have his bird rights, but I don’t believe the Sixers would be willing to pay him much since he will be 35 next season. The move would basically be for the remainder of the season.

[BullyKing]

Harris, Scott, Korkmaz, and PHI 2021 1st to SAC

Joseph, 2021 NYK 2nd, and PHI 2026 1st to OKC

Barnes, Bjelica, Miller, Hill, and protected 2025 PHI 1st returned to PHI (cut Poirier)


Hill/Milton/Maxey
Green/Curry/Joe/Tucker*
Simmons/Thybulle/Ferguson
Barnes/Bjelica/Miller/Reed*
Embiid/Howard/Bradley

I honestly do not get this at all. Tobias has been extremely good - borderline all star- this year. And even if you think he's going to revert back (fair), this trade makes zero sense. Our team would be worse this year, wouldn't have cap space next year thanks to Barnes, and it costs us a first to do it.

[PhillyNj]

Harris, Scott, Korkmaz, and PHI 2021 1st to SAC

Joseph, 2021 NYK 2nd, and PHI 2026 1st to OKC

Barnes, Bjelica, Miller, Hill, and protected 2025 PHI 1st returned to PHI (cut Poirier)


Hill/Milton/Maxey
Green/Curry/Joe/Tucker*
Simmons/Thybulle/Ferguson
Barnes/Bjelica/Miller/Reed*
Embiid/Howard/Bradley

I honestly do not get this at all. Tobias has been extremely good - borderline all star- this year. And even if you think he's going to revert back (fair), this trade makes zero sense. Our team would be worse this year, wouldn't have cap space next year thanks to Barnes, and it costs us a first to do it.

I agree with you. I don’t understand the hate Harris gets on real GM.
He’s a really good player. Yes a little overpaid. But in the nba a lot of players are.
Harris is really underrated by most.

[UptownPhilly]

Sixers - Pelicans - Knicks

PHI OUT: Scott, Bradley, Ferguson (insert picks)
NO OUT: Ball
In: Pick (whatever works) from Philly
Knicks In: Bradley (second rounder)

We gain a 3/d prospect who could likely become a long term starter.

Simmons/Ball/Maxey
Curry/Milton
Green/Thybulle
Harris/Korkmaz
Embiid/Howard

[51X3RF4N]

I firmly believe that this starting 5 is the group you will see the rest of the season. They are 14-0 when they all start. Daryl Morey has tweeted that he was excited to see what they looked like together, and now he has his answer. He was also instrumental in making this starting 5 happen.

Barring some crazy losing streak where the starters look terrible together, I think this is it y'all.

And, if Thybulle keeps playing this way all year off the bench late in game locking down guys, he may take significant minutes away from Danny, which isn't a bad thing.

Howard and Shake seem to have stable roles in the rotation.

I would be looking to maximize return on Korkmaz, Scott, and the other expirings.

Korkmaz, in my mind, is playing at a higher level than we can expect the rest of his career, and he is an expiring who might cost too much to keep next year. But he is also a bit quirky, I think he genuinely likes Philly and this team, and would potentially welcome another 2 year, smaller deal to come back.

But also, I don't think he is "good enough" to be the 9th man in a playoff rotation.

Sixers could obviously use an upgraded bench stretch big, but they also need another playmaker at Guard off the bench. I don't think Shake will be enough. Maxey is clearly not ready to contribute or something else is going on because he hasn't played these past few games and that is abnormal.

I would keep Maxey, unless it's a blow you out of the water trade. I think Maxey can take a sophomore leap and become a rotation guy.

But for this season, if we are "all-in", then I'd look to use Kork and Scott for a backup playmaker and backup stretch big.

Something like Scott, Kork and Bradley, with a few 2nd round picks, for George Hill and Mike Muscala?

Simmons/Hill/Maxey
Curry/Milton/Joe
Green/Thybulle/Ferguson
Harris/Muscala/Reed
Embiid/Howard/Poirier

Seem good enough for a 9 or 10 man playoff rotation that alternates Muscala/Thybulle depending on matchups?

With Maxey and Joe waiting in the wings for Hill and Green to be expiring contracts and take their spots in the rotation.

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[76ciology]

Yup. I think we’d play it conservative for the entire season, when it comes to trades.

[51X3RF4N]

The only thing I'd consider is using Green in a trade for a starting SG who has 1 of 2 skill sets. 1) efficient volume 3pt shooting or 2) shot creation ability

Green is great for what he brings, but I think replacing him with a better shooter or better scorer changes the dynamic of the starting lineup. And his defense is good, but inconsistent so using Thybulle in the stopper role through the rotation might be better anyhow.

I am all about getting guys on decent contracts who are locked up for 3+ years because otherwise it's hard to build around this group with limited cap.

What about this?

Let's say Sacramento wants to hand the keys to Haliburton and Fox, and decides its time to move Buddy in the right deal....

And let's say Dallas decides they need some more catch and shoot guys in the rotation...

To Dallas: Danny Green, Furkan, Bjelica and some picks from Philly

To SAC: Mike Scott, James Johnson, Tony Bradley, Ferguson and some picks from Philly

To PHI: Maxi Kleber, Buddy Hield, Boban

Why for PHI: Buddy in the starting group over Danny provides a high volume, 40% 3pt shooter who has deep range to pair with Embiid, and adds to the spacing Seth provides for both Simmons and Embiid. His defense is not great, and would hurt with Seth starting next to him, but Simmons and Embiid can make up for some of that and the offense would be SO much better with Buddy in there. Also, his contract is favorable and not expiring. Kleber fits well off the bench and is on a reasonable deal, and has history playing with Seth. Boban returns and makes Tobias happy, even though his minutes will be limited. Give up future picks to secure players on long term deals now.

Why for SAC: clear out Buddy's salary and get picks as compensation.

Why for Dallas: mix it up by getting guys who help a playoff run this year, and picks for the future.

Now the picks would be likely quite valuable but I think it's worth it to have 10 guys locked up under contract for multiple years through at least Embiid's deal. They're good fits and they build continuity.

Develop Maxey, Joe and Reed for future.

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[Sportfan73]

The only thing I'd consider is using Green in a trade for a starting SG who has 1 of 2 skill sets. 1) efficient volume 3pt shooting or 2) shot creation ability

Green is great for what he brings, but I think replacing him with a better shooter or better scorer changes the dynamic of the starting lineup. And his defense is good, but inconsistent so using Thybulle in the stopper role through the rotation might be better anyhow.

I am all about getting guys on decent contracts who are locked up for 3+ years because otherwise it's hard to build around this group with limited cap.

What about this?

Let's say Sacramento wants to hand the keys to Haliburton and Fox, and decides its time to move Buddy in the right deal....

And let's say Dallas decides they need some more catch and shoot guys in the rotation...

To Dallas: Danny Green, Furkan, Bjelica and some picks from Philly

To SAC: Mike Scott, James Johnson, Tony Bradley, Ferguson and some picks from Philly

To PHI: Maxi Kleber, Buddy Hield, Boban

Why for PHI: Buddy in the starting group over Danny provides a high volume, 40% 3pt shooter who has deep range to pair with Embiid, and adds to the spacing Seth provides for both Simmons and Embiid. His defense is not great, and would hurt with Seth starting next to him, but Simmons and Embiid can make up for some of that and the offense would be SO much better with Buddy in there. Also, his contract is favorable and not expiring. Kleber fits well off the bench and is on a reasonable deal, and has history playing with Seth. Boban returns and makes Tobias happy, even though his minutes will be limited. Give up future picks to secure players on long term deals now.

Why for SAC: clear out Buddy's salary and get picks as compensation.

Why for Dallas: mix it up by getting guys who help a playoff run this year, and picks for the future.

Now the picks would be likely quite valuable but I think it's worth it to have 10 guys locked up under contract for multiple years through at least Embiid's deal. They're good fits and they build continuity.

Develop Maxey, Joe and Reed for future.

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Doubt sac needs many pics to get off of Buddy’s contract for all expirings

[the_process]

The only thing I'd consider is using Green in a trade for a starting SG who has 1 of 2 skill sets. 1) efficient volume 3pt shooting or 2) shot creation ability

Green is great for what he brings, but I think replacing him with a better shooter or better scorer changes the dynamic of the starting lineup. And his defense is good, but inconsistent so using Thybulle in the stopper role through the rotation might be better anyhow.

I am all about getting guys on decent contracts who are locked up for 3+ years because otherwise it's hard to build around this group with limited cap.

What about this?

Let's say Sacramento wants to hand the keys to Haliburton and Fox, and decides its time to move Buddy in the right deal....

And let's say Dallas decides they need some more catch and shoot guys in the rotation...

To Dallas: Danny Green, Furkan, Bjelica and some picks from Philly

To SAC: Mike Scott, James Johnson, Tony Bradley, Ferguson and some picks from Philly

To PHI: Maxi Kleber, Buddy Hield, Boban

Why for PHI: Buddy in the starting group over Danny provides a high volume, 40% 3pt shooter who has deep range to pair with Embiid, and adds to the spacing Seth provides for both Simmons and Embiid. His defense is not great, and would hurt with Seth starting next to him, but Simmons and Embiid can make up for some of that and the offense would be SO much better with Buddy in there. Also, his contract is favorable and not expiring. Kleber fits well off the bench and is on a reasonable deal, and has history playing with Seth. Boban returns and makes Tobias happy, even though his minutes will be limited. Give up future picks to secure players on long term deals now.

Why for SAC: clear out Buddy's salary and get picks as compensation.

Why for Dallas: mix it up by getting guys who help a playoff run this year, and picks for the future.

Now the picks would be likely quite valuable but I think it's worth it to have 10 guys locked up under contract for multiple years through at least Embiid's deal. They're good fits and they build continuity.

Develop Maxey, Joe and Reed for future.

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Doubt sac needs many pics to get off of Buddy’s contract for all expirings

Buddy Hield would be replacing Seth Curry, not Danny Green.