NBA Trade Thread # 3

[gobullschi]

ok if i am troll, all other 29 gm-s in nba are trolls as well. Nba coaches who see him first hand had opportunity to select him as reserve all star in east in last two seasons they opted out of that. Maybe Nba coaches are trolling also. Or Usa basketball, they selected 45 players for olympics without Lavine. Sure they also are there to troll Lavine. As a Bulls fan i would be happy for Lavine to made all star , becames two way player and superstar but for that to happend i see too many holes in his game.

I’m not following any of your logic. What about the 29 other NBA teams? Making an all-star team is so reliant on a teams record or a players popularity, that it’s not a reflection of true talent. Klay Thompson got 100,000 votes this year and he hasn’t played since 2019. Derrick Rose has almost 200,000 votes. Andrew freaking Wiggins got 265,000.

Just because he wasn’t one of the 45 players selected for the Olympics, doesn’t mean he wasn’t deserving. Again, LaVine is 25 years old and still getting better every year. His time will come.

All star reservs are made by Nba coaches, not fans. So coaches who knows x and o's, player impact on winning. What about other 29 gm-s. If Lavine is such difference maker Buck gm would offer 3 first and three first swaps for 25 Lavine who is on same timeline as Giannis not 30 yo Jrue Holiday. If Lavine is better than Beal why Warriors gm Bob Myers send offer to Ak package Wiseman and Minny pick. He wouldnt do that for Lavine, he would for Bradley Beal. Why Morey offered Simmons for Harden and would offer Ben for Beal and wouldnt do the same for Lavine and so on. There is relative hughe gap between nba gm-s, coaches, media members, fans from other teams in terms of valuing Lavine and some dellusional Bulls fans who overvalue him like he is legit all nba player and bonfided all star.

Using all-star games as a measuring stick for a players talent is foolish. I’ve already explained this.
LaVine is a young player who didn’t put up all-star stats until last season, so we’re really only talking about the coaches not selecting him last season. It’s early, but it looks like he will be voted an all-star this season.

Nobody is saying LaVine is a better player ‘right now’ than Beal, but LaVine is 2 years younger and has put up extremely similar stats at the same age as him. Seriously - look it up.

Also, stop making these baseless claims that trade offers were or weren’t made for LaVine. You have no idea. We don’t know if a Simmons for Beal deal was seriously discussed and we don’t know if a Simmons for LaVine deal was proposed.

[WindyCityBorn]

I’m not following any of your logic. What about the 29 other NBA teams? Making an all-star team is so reliant on a teams record or a players popularity, that it’s not a reflection of true talent. Klay Thompson got 100,000 votes this year and he hasn’t played since 2019. Derrick Rose has almost 200,000 votes. Andrew freaking Wiggins got 265,000.

Just because he wasn’t one of the 45 players selected for the Olympics, doesn’t mean he wasn’t deserving. Again, LaVine is 25 years old and still getting better every year. His time will come.

All star reservs are made by Nba coaches, not fans. So coaches who knows x and o's, player impact on winning. What about other 29 gm-s. If Lavine is such difference maker Buck gm would offer 3 first and three first swaps for 25 Lavine who is on same timeline as Giannis not 30 yo Jrue Holiday. If Lavine is better than Beal why Warriors gm Bob Myers send offer to Ak package Wiseman and Minny pick. He wouldnt do that for Lavine, he would for Bradley Beal. Why Morey offered Simmons for Harden and would offer Ben for Beal and wouldnt do the same for Lavine and so on. There is relative hughe gap between nba gm-s, coaches, media members, fans from other teams in terms of valuing Lavine and some dellusional Bulls fans who overvalue him like he is legit all nba player and bonfided all star.

Using all-star games as a measuring stick for a players talent is foolish. I’ve already explained this.
LaVine is a young player who didn’t put up all-star stats until last season, so we’re really only talking about the coaches not selecting him last season. It’s early, but it looks like he will be voted an all-star this season.

Nobody is saying LaVine is a better player ‘right now’ than Beal, but LaVine is 2 years younger and has put up extremely similar stats at the same age as him. Seriously - look it up.

Also, stop making these baseless claims that trade offers were or weren’t made for LaVine. You have no idea. We don’t know if a Simmons for Beal deal was seriously discussed and we don’t know if a Simmons for LaVine deal was proposed.

Lauri Stans are are incredibly butthurt that LaVine has the spot they thought was his. I don’t understand it. As of right now there is an excellent shot LaVine will make his first all-star appearance and they hate it.

[gobullschi]

All star reservs are made by Nba coaches, not fans. So coaches who knows x and o's, player impact on winning. What about other 29 gm-s. If Lavine is such difference maker Buck gm would offer 3 first and three first swaps for 25 Lavine who is on same timeline as Giannis not 30 yo Jrue Holiday. If Lavine is better than Beal why Warriors gm Bob Myers send offer to Ak package Wiseman and Minny pick. He wouldnt do that for Lavine, he would for Bradley Beal. Why Morey offered Simmons for Harden and would offer Ben for Beal and wouldnt do the same for Lavine and so on. There is relative hughe gap between nba gm-s, coaches, media members, fans from other teams in terms of valuing Lavine and some dellusional Bulls fans who overvalue him like he is legit all nba player and bonfided all star.

Using all-star games as a measuring stick for a players talent is foolish. I’ve already explained this.
LaVine is a young player who didn’t put up all-star stats until last season, so we’re really only talking about the coaches not selecting him last season. It’s early, but it looks like he will be voted an all-star this season.

Nobody is saying LaVine is a better player ‘right now’ than Beal, but LaVine is 2 years younger and has put up extremely similar stats at the same age as him. Seriously - look it up.

Also, stop making these baseless claims that trade offers were or weren’t made for LaVine. You have no idea. We don’t know if a Simmons for Beal deal was seriously discussed and we don’t know if a Simmons for LaVine deal was proposed.

Lauri Stans are are incredibly butthurt that LaVine has the spot they thought was his. I don’t understand it. As of right now there is an excellent shot LaVine will make his first all-star appearance and they hate it.

Is he even a Lauri Stan? Lauri doesn’t fit his all-star or team USA requirement either.

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[MisterRoy]

Any reason Devone Graham isn't playing tonight? Is he the odd man out in Charlotte with the up and coming of Ball? Should we be looking at that situation?


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[StunnerKO]

If we can send Sato and Kornet to the Clippers for Bev Kabengele I’ll do that in a heartbeat. We need help on defense


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[TheSuzerain]

Any reason Devone Graham isn't playing tonight? Is he the odd man out in Charlotte with the up and coming of Ball? Should we be looking at that situation?


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Injured Groin

He is someone to monitor though. He's a sneaky good PG. Kind of a perfect fit next to Lavine offensively.

I feel like the Hornets are going to keep him and just start both him and Lamelo. Should be an exciting team offensively with those two passing the ball.

[Muzbar]

Any reason Devone Graham isn't playing tonight? Is he the odd man out in Charlotte with the up and coming of Ball? Should we be looking at that situation?


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Injured Groin

He is someone to monitor though. He's a sneaky good PG. Kind of a perfect fit next to Lavine offensively.

I feel like the Hornets are going to keep him and just start both him and Lamelo. Should be an exciting team offensively with those two passing the ball.

It's funny, I was messing around with espn trade machine and Graham was someone I was targeting but he wasn't on Charlottes roster.

I thought he'd already been traded haha.

[BullChit]

Heard a Mavs fan say that the Mavs are interested in Lauri

Lauri for Jalen Brunson... I suck at building trades so I don't know salaries and matching etc...

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[sco]

Heard a Mavs fan say that the Mavs are interested in Lauri

Lauri for Jalen Brunson... I suck at building trades so I don't know salaries and matching etc...

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There are many ways to go on that, but one I like is:

Lauri/Val for Brunson/Richardson

[MGB8]

Heard a Mavs fan say that the Mavs are interested in Lauri

Lauri for Jalen Brunson... I suck at building trades so I don't know salaries and matching etc...

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There are many ways to go on that, but one I like is:

Lauri/Val for Brunson/Richardson

Eh, Brunson isn't that good. And Richardson is only "ok."

The Lauri trade I'd be looking for is with Golden State Warriors - who I think could make Lauri into a monster for them and thus might be willing to part with a significant asset. And, by significant asset, I mean the Wolves pick.

Lauri for Looney + the Wolves pick... I doubt the Warriors make that trade, but they'd have to think about it.

Heck, give that he's raised his play from "terrible" to "mediocre," I'd even offer Lauri + Otto (expiring) for Wiggins + the Wolves pick - saves them a bunch of money under the luxury tax (though their owner doesn't seem to care).

I'd even expand that deal if they were interested in a Valentine or Hutch or Sato or Temple or whomever - maybe even White or WCJ or Thad (who I'd ideally like to keep through next season as a veteran solidifier), so long as the Bulls keep LaVine, Pat and enough assets overall (and get back enough to offset if they give up a higher end guy) on top of the Wolves pick.

[RSP83]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/261451/Members-Within-Raptors-Organization-Believe-Team-Should-Trade-Kyle-Lowry

I'd definitely explore this. Don't even mind extend him for friendly 2-year deal if possible.

[RSP83]

Any reason Devone Graham isn't playing tonight? Is he the odd man out in Charlotte with the up and coming of Ball? Should we be looking at that situation?


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With Melo's emergence, I think Devonte is the odd man out. If he is, I'd definitely call Hornets FO. Don't know who Hornets will be interested in though.

[Pnjguy]

Here is my vision.

Trade Thad to get a pick and secure a top 5 pick.

Sign Kyle Lowry

Trade for Beal (our top 5 pick, Coby White, Lauri (S&T), Wendell, and whatever we get for Thad)

Lowry
Lavine
Beal
Williams
Find a decent Center

[gobullschi]

Any reason Devone Graham isn't playing tonight? Is he the odd man out in Charlotte with the up and coming of Ball? Should we be looking at that situation?


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With Melo's emergence, I think Devonte is the odd man out. If he is, I'd definitely call Hornets FO. Don't know who Hornets will be interested in though.

WCJ? He played college in North Carolina and they’ll have a need for a center once Biyombo’s contract expires.

[Vickveto]

We are stuck in nba purgatory, A extra top-five pick And/or Jerami Grant is the best situation I could see us being in going forward. This is not a good free agency year.

A top-five draft pick does nothing to keep Bradley Beal but a couple young couple young quality players and cap Space does.

The Pistons want to unload that Blake Griffin contract really bad, they also have a poor crop of young talent A trade surrounded jerami grant (who is a all star in my opinion) is very intriguing. He can be our jimmy butler he is a elite defender.

[Vickveto]

Blake Griffin
Jerami grant
Unprotected 1st

For

Lauri
Coby white
Otto porter
Thaddeus young

Dream line up next year

Cade Cunningham
Zach Levine
Jerami Grant
Patrick Williams
Evan Mobley

[weneeda2guard]

This course made some sense about 10 years ago when max deals were 16 mill.

I see this offered and honestly it makes no sense. No team with the potential to get a top even 8 pick in what is supposed to be a good draft is going to part with that just to unload salary. So that means any team willing to put a pick with a bad salary all those picks will be mid teens at best more than likely in the 20s. What teams are being shown now is having a accumulation of picks that likely only become mid teens in the 20s have very little value in the league now. So you want the bulls to pay 15-20 something million or even more if the deal is beyond this year which it likely will be to get a pick to draft the next Chandler Hutchison? 2 way deals g league d league made those late picks less valuable. You can add guys who will play their hearts out for 1 or 2 mill unguaranteed and if it doesn't work out you can just cut them and that is the way most teams are moving including the bulls. That course is better than drafting a guy who is not better than a g league player and having to pay them 4-6 million a year with them having 4 years guarantee in their rookie deals. Dont see this route happening

[RSP83]

We should stay away from both. And why would the Pistons want to trade away Jerami Grant if he's good as you said? He's still young enough to grow with whatever their new core will be and he's on a good contract for that type of production.

[Andi Obst]

I'd stay away from both, but the Pistons also aren't giving up Grant and a pick to dump Griffin. Why would they? His contracts expires in 2022 and they aren't signing anyone.