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NBA Trade Thread # 3

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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 3 

Post#201 » by WYO » Tue Feb 9, 2021 5:33 pm

Little Nathan wrote:I'd stay away from both, but the Pistons also aren't giving up Grant and a pick to dump Griffin. Why would they? His contracts expires in 2022 and they aren't signing anyone.

That trade doesn't suddenly put them in contention for anything besides angry fans who are upset over not having a first round pick while also giving away the only decent player on their team.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 3 

Post#202 » by gobullschi » Tue Feb 9, 2021 6:01 pm

Little Nathan wrote:I'd stay away from both, but the Pistons also aren't giving up Grant and a pick to dump Griffin. Why would they? His contracts expires in 2022 and they aren't signing anyone.


I agree that it’s unlikely Detroit moves Jerami Grant. He’s only 26 years old averaging 24 PPG, 6 RPG, & 3 APG with elite defense while only making 19M.

The Bulls would likely need to ‘overpay’ Detroit to pry him away, but I think Jerami Grant would be worth it. Finding a two-way player that can create his own shot is an ideal match for LaVine. Also, his 19M salary still leaves the Bulls with a bunch of cap space to target an impact free agent.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 3 

Post#203 » by sco » Tue Feb 9, 2021 6:06 pm

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Little Nathan wrote:I'd stay away from both, but the Pistons also aren't giving up Grant and a pick to dump Griffin. Why would they? His contracts expires in 2022 and they aren't signing anyone.


I agree that it’s unlikely Detroit moves Jerami Grant. He’s only 26 years old averaging 24 PPG, 6 RPG, & 3 APG with elite defense while only making 19M.

The Bulls would likely need to ‘overpay’ Detroit to pry him away, but I think Jerami Grant would be worth it. Finding a two-way player that can create his own shot is an ideal match for LaVine. Also, his 19M salary still leaves the Bulls with a bunch of cap space to target an impact free agent.

I'm with you on this. I'd give anyone on this roster except Zach for him. I'd prefer not to, but might even consider PWill or a protected 1st.
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Re: Who’s willing to take on Blake Griffin or Russell Westbrook for draft picks 

Post#204 » by Vickveto » Tue Feb 9, 2021 6:24 pm

weneeda2guard wrote:This course made some sense about 10 years ago when max deals were 16 mill.

I see this offered and honestly it makes no sense. No team with the potential to get a top even 8 pick in what is supposed to be a good draft is going to part with that just to unload salary. So that means any team willing to put a pick with a bad salary all those picks will be mid teens at best more than likely in the 20s. What teams are being shown now is having a accumulation of picks that likely only become mid teens in the 20s have very little value in the league now. So you want the bulls to pay 15-20 something million or even more if the deal is beyond this year which it likely will be to get a pick to draft the next Chandler Hutchison? 2 way deals g league d league made those late picks less valuable. You can add guys who will play their hearts out for 1 or 2 mill unguaranteed and if it doesn't work out you can just cut them and that is the way most teams are moving including the bulls. That course is better than drafting a guy who is not better than a g league player and having to pay them 4-6 million a year with them having 4 years guarantee in their rookie deals. Dont see this route happening


The wizards have a top 7 player and no supporting cast. Would you want to keep your superstar happy? Two young starters in coby and Lauri plus cap space can at least get u in the playoffs and I only want the deal if unprotected 1st this year is included wizards are terrible
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 3 

Post#205 » by Vickveto » Tue Feb 9, 2021 6:29 pm

WYO wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:I'd stay away from both, but the Pistons also aren't giving up Grant and a pick to dump Griffin. Why would they? His contracts expires in 2022 and they aren't signing anyone.

That trade doesn't suddenly put them in contention for anything besides angry fans who are upset over not having a first round pick while also giving away the only decent player on their team.


The Pistons young players suck coby and Lauri and Wendell if needed in the deal are instant starters plus we could give them and 30 mill in cap space they would consider. Did anyone believe the hornets would land a big free agent? No.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 3 

Post#206 » by Vickveto » Tue Feb 9, 2021 6:33 pm

WYO wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:I'd stay away from both, but the Pistons also aren't giving up Grant and a pick to dump Griffin. Why would they? His contracts expires in 2022 and they aren't signing anyone.

That trade doesn't suddenly put them in contention for anything besides angry fans who are upset over not having a first round pick while also giving away the only decent player on their team.


If you were a GM would you want a sucky player eating up a third of your cap? Where is the young Detroit Pistons talent? We could send them three young players that would be instant starters not including Patrick Williams
Three young good players Plus about 30 million in Relief I think would be intriguing to them if we have to send back a future first I would. I want a top-five draft pick this year and Jeremy grant
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Re: Who’s willing to take on Blake Griffin or Russell Westbrook for draft picks 

Post#207 » by Vickveto » Tue Feb 9, 2021 6:36 pm

RSP83 wrote:We should stay away from both. And why would the Pistons want to trade away Jerami Grant if he's good as you said? He's still young enough to grow with whatever their new core will be and he's on a good contract for that type of production.


Is he really? Their draft pick this year is more than likely going to be 19 years old that’s a seven to eight year difference are they really on the same timeline?
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 3 

Post#208 » by Andi Obst » Tue Feb 9, 2021 6:43 pm

Vickveto wrote:Where is the young Detroit Pistons talent?


Their best hope in that regard is easily their own pick in 21. Grant isn't old either.

Lauri and Coby aren't going to make a difference for them.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 3 

Post#209 » by Vickveto » Tue Feb 9, 2021 6:58 pm

Little Nathan wrote:
Vickveto wrote:Where is the young Detroit Pistons talent?


Their best hope in that regard is easily their own pick in 21. Grant isn't old either.

Lauri and Coby aren't going to make a difference for them.


And how are you supposed to get quality players when you don’t have none when somebody is eating a third of your cap? Do they have about 30 million In cap space to get those players. No. Do they have young talented players. No.Grant will be 7 to 8 years older than their next best player next year which will probably be there lottery pick so no Grant is an old but they’re not on the same timeline. I’ll toss in Wendell if it was a deal breaker and he would still start over there lol
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 3 

Post#210 » by Andi Obst » Tue Feb 9, 2021 7:08 pm

Vickveto wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:
Vickveto wrote:Where is the young Detroit Pistons talent?


Their best hope in that regard is easily their own pick in 21. Grant isn't old either.

Lauri and Coby aren't going to make a difference for them.


And how are you supposed to get quality players when you don’t have none when somebody is eating a third of your cap? Do they have about 30 million In cap space to get those players. No. Do they have young talented players. No.Grant will be 7 to 8 years older than their next best player next year which will probably be there lottery pick so no Grant is an old but they’re not on the same timeline. I’ll toss in Wendell if it was a deal breaker and he would still start over there lol


Their capspace doesn’t really matter, it’s all about the draft. You just don’t, under any circumstances, trade your pick. You collect young talent via the draft. Griffin is under contract for one more season after this one, it’s just not nearly a big enough deal for them to throw in the most and the second most valuable asset they have.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 3 

Post#211 » by Kukoc-Lauri » Tue Feb 9, 2021 7:14 pm

Markkanen for Josh Richardson. Markkanen for Rudy Gay. Markkanen for Royce O'Neal. Markkanen,Satoransky and Hutchinson for Lowry.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 3 

Post#212 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Tue Feb 9, 2021 7:41 pm

Atlanta trades: John Collins
Chicago trades: Lauri Mark, 2021 2nd rounder

New Orleans trades: Lonzo Ball
Chicago trades: Sato, Hutch, 2022 2nd rounder

Bulls sign Collins 4/100 and Ball 4/60 in the offseason, and sign Richaun Holmes with the MLE. OPJ is expiring, they let Thaddeus Young expire, resign Temple, and they suck this year, so they get a top 5 pick, select Jalen Green.

Ball, White
Lavine, Green
Pat Williams, Green, Temple
Collins, WCJ
Holmes, WCJ, Gafford

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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 3 

Post#213 » by thedarkstark » Tue Feb 9, 2021 7:44 pm

OPJ, WCJ, Lauri for a bag of chips.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 3 

Post#214 » by MrSparkle » Tue Feb 9, 2021 7:44 pm

Why do people get interested in trades after the ship has sailed? Why in the hell would DET dump Jerami Grant for our garbage? He is better than every single player on this roster besides Zach, and besides scoring crazy 3Ps, he's pretty much better than Zach. Weaver had one of the dumbest off-seasons ever, but the broken clock struck once.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 3 

Post#215 » by Poohdini1 » Tue Feb 9, 2021 8:09 pm

MrSparkle wrote:Why do people get interested in trades after the ship has sailed? Why in the hell would DET dump Jerami Grant for our garbage? He is better than every single player on this roster besides Zach, and besides scoring crazy 3Ps, he's pretty much better than Zach. Weaver had one of the dumbest off-seasons ever, but the broken clock struck once.

And to think he could've paired Grant with Christian Wood
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 3 

Post#216 » by gobullschi » Tue Feb 9, 2021 8:21 pm

Little Nathan wrote:
Vickveto wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:
Their best hope in that regard is easily their own pick in 21. Grant isn't old either.

Lauri and Coby aren't going to make a difference for them.


And how are you supposed to get quality players when you don’t have none when somebody is eating a third of your cap? Do they have about 30 million In cap space to get those players. No. Do they have young talented players. No.Grant will be 7 to 8 years older than their next best player next year which will probably be there lottery pick so no Grant is an old but they’re not on the same timeline. I’ll toss in Wendell if it was a deal breaker and he would still start over there lol


Their capspace doesn’t really matter, it’s all about the draft. You just don’t, under any circumstances, trade your pick. You collect young talent via the draft. Griffin is under contract for one more season after this one, it’s just not nearly a big enough deal for them to throw in the most and the second most valuable asset they have.


I agree. Detroit isn’t going to take less of a return trading Grant to save money getting out of Blake Griffin’s contract during a meaningless season.

My ideal offer would be Coby White + Lauri Markkanen + contract filler + 2021 1st (top 5 protected), but I’m not sure that’s enough value for Detroit.

You can build around a core of LaVine, Grant, Williams, WCJ, 2021 1st, and a ton of cap space.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 3 

Post#217 » by Vickveto » Tue Feb 9, 2021 8:30 pm

Their capspace doesn’t really matter, it’s all about the draft. You just don’t, under any circumstances, trade your pick. You collect young talent via the draft. Griffin is under contract for one more season after this one, it’s just not nearly a big enough deal for them to throw in the most and the second most valuable asset they have.[/quote]

I think giving a team three young GOOD players that were drafted in the LOTTERY that would be immediate upgrades over what they have currently if a bit far from throwing away, and it’s the furthest thing from the truth cap space doesn’t matter players want to get PAID. there are only two or three teams that are over the cap a reason so big contracts are premium.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 3 

Post#218 » by gobullschi » Tue Feb 9, 2021 8:37 pm

MrSparkle wrote:Why do people get interested in trades after the ship has sailed? Why in the hell would DET dump Jerami Grant for our garbage? He is better than every single player on this roster besides Zach, and besides scoring crazy 3Ps, he's pretty much better than Zach. Weaver had one of the dumbest off-seasons ever, but the broken clock struck once.


I think the argument is that Detroit would be willing to listen to an offer if Chicago was willing to throw a lot at them for Grant. He’s having a career year and Detroit might want to cash in when his value is at an all-time high.

As far as a rebuilding team, they are way behind a lot of other teams because they don’t own any extra first round picks and their current young pieces haven’t looked good at all. Hayes suffered a brutal hip injury and Saddiq Bey and Doumbouya looks like bench players. Their core will be built on the ‘21 and ‘22 drafts and he will be a free agent by then.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 3 

Post#219 » by pipfan » Tue Feb 9, 2021 8:43 pm

I would do Carter and a top 5 protected 1st for Grant
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