Official Trade Thread -- Part XL

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...here’s a somewhat insane idea.... Basic structure:
Beal to HOU...

I don't see Houston as a player for Beal...

Me neither. But, still, let's give Jar some credit here... that is by far the most entertaining Beal trade idea yet!

Wall & Beal reunite in Houston! LOL!! I love it!

I'll take what I can get.

I know Houston is a very unlikely destination for Beal (hence the word "insane"). I'm glad you find the idea entertaining - I did, too. (If you like that, could I interest you in a side Davis Bertans for Eric Gordon deal?) ...

Could I have Mason Jones instead, please?

[JAR69]

Me neither. But, still, let's give Jar some credit here... that is by far the most entertaining Beal trade idea yet!

Wall & Beal reunite in Houston! LOL!! I love it!

I'll take what I can get.

I know Houston is a very unlikely destination for Beal (hence the word "insane"). I'm glad you find the idea entertaining - I did, too. (If you like that, could I interest you in a side Davis Bertans for Eric Gordon deal?) ...

Could I have Mason Jones instead, please?

I won't mention the CBA if you won't.

[nate33]

If we could dump Bertans for a TPE or expiring contract, I'd definitely target Josh Hart as a free agent acquisition in the offseason. He's what the team wants Troy Brown to be - an undersized SF who rebounds like crazy and defends hard, while playing off ball. Troy Brown just can't seem to get the defense part right.

In the long run, I just don't want to invest in Bertans when he have so many other needs. Also, I think Avdija will ultimately be more comfortable as a 4 instead of a 3 as he fills out and gets stronger. If there's a 3rd forward to play alongside Avdija and Hachimura, we're going to better off if that third forward is more of a true SF, preferably a 3&D wing defender. Hart would fit nicely.

[Ruzious]

If we could dump Bertans for a TPE or expiring contract, I'd definitely target Josh Hart as a free agent acquisition in the offseason. He's what the team wants Troy Brown to be - an undersized SF who rebounds like crazy and defends hard, while playing off ball. Troy Brown just can't seem to get the defense part right.

In the long run, I just don't want to invest in Bertans when he have so many other needs. Also, I think Avdija will ultimately be more comfortable as a 4 instead of a 3 as he fills out and gets stronger. If there's a 3rd forward to play alongside Avdija and Hachimura, we're going to better off if that third forward is more of a true SF, preferably a 3&D wing defender. Hart would fit nicely.

I hate selling low on TBJ, but yeah - we need a wing (actually some wings) to play physically tough defense like Hart.

[nate33]

If we could dump Bertans for a TPE or expiring contract, I'd definitely target Josh Hart as a free agent acquisition in the offseason. He's what the team wants Troy Brown to be - an undersized SF who rebounds like crazy and defends hard, while playing off ball. Troy Brown just can't seem to get the defense part right.

In the long run, I just don't want to invest in Bertans when he have so many other needs. Also, I think Avdija will ultimately be more comfortable as a 4 instead of a 3 as he fills out and gets stronger. If there's a 3rd forward to play alongside Avdija and Hachimura, we're going to better off if that third forward is more of a true SF, preferably a 3&D wing defender. Hart would fit nicely.

I hate selling low on TBJ, but yeah - we need a wing (actually some wings) to play physically tough defense like Hart.

I wouldn't necessarily sell low on TBJ, though I suppose it might be hard to pay him in 2022 if we're already paying Hart. At any rate, TBJ will be on the team for at least one more year after this one.

I wish TBJ could defend better. He's 6-7 with a 6-10 wingspan, a hard worker and a smart guy, and has a nose for the ball as a rebounder. But he just can't seem to guard people that well. I don't get it.

[payitforward]

Yes on Josh Hart. The only problem is... he is playing so well that I fear we'll find him unaffordable -- unless, that is, we are able to move Bertans.

Do you (anyone?) have any insight on why TBJr. struggles on defense? He seems to be a smart kid, motivated & hard-working. That ought to be enough to make him at least adequate... no?

[Ruzious]

If we could dump Bertans for a TPE or expiring contract, I'd definitely target Josh Hart as a free agent acquisition in the offseason. He's what the team wants Troy Brown to be - an undersized SF who rebounds like crazy and defends hard, while playing off ball. Troy Brown just can't seem to get the defense part right.

In the long run, I just don't want to invest in Bertans when he have so many other needs. Also, I think Avdija will ultimately be more comfortable as a 4 instead of a 3 as he fills out and gets stronger. If there's a 3rd forward to play alongside Avdija and Hachimura, we're going to better off if that third forward is more of a true SF, preferably a 3&D wing defender. Hart would fit nicely.

I hate selling low on TBJ, but yeah - we need a wing (actually some wings) to play physically tough defense like Hart.

I wouldn't necessarily sell low on TBJ, though I suppose it might be hard to pay him in 2022 if we're already paying Hart. At any rate, TBJ will be on the team for at least one more year after this one.

I wish TBJ could defend better. He's 6-7 with a 6-10 wingspan, a hard worker and a smart guy, and has a nose for the ball as a rebounder. But he just can't seem to guard people that well. I don't get it.

It's hard for him to work on his game and improve his defense if he doesn't get to play. And I doubt they're doing much as far as real practicing.

[NatP4]

Yes on Josh Hart. The only problem is... he is playing so well that I fear we'll find him unaffordable -- unless, that is, we are able to move Bertans.

Do you (anyone?) have any insight on why TBJr. struggles on defense? He seems to be a smart kid, motivated & hard-working. That ought to be enough to make him at least adequate... no?

Lack of confidence&experience. His development has been horribly mismanaged. I recall watching plenty of Oregon&summer league footage of Brown Jr, he has great basketball IQ/instincts/lateral quickness.

He just needs to play. Not 12 minutes a night with Brooks looking over his shoulder, playing different positions, in awful lineups. 30 minutes a night with starting caliber players. He showed just how good he can be in the bubble last year.

[pcbothwel]

I hate selling low on TBJ, but yeah - we need a wing (actually some wings) to play physically tough defense like Hart.

I wouldn't necessarily sell low on TBJ, though I suppose it might be hard to pay him in 2022 if we're already paying Hart. At any rate, TBJ will be on the team for at least one more year after this one.

I wish TBJ could defend better. He's 6-7 with a 6-10 wingspan, a hard worker and a smart guy, and has a nose for the ball as a rebounder. But he just can't seem to guard people that well. I don't get it.

It's hard for him to work on his game and improve his defense if he doesn't get to play. And I doubt they're doing much as far as real practicing.

Listen. I HATE Brooks and thought TBJ was Iggy/Tyreke Evans... but TBJ is doing himself no favors. He doesnt play defense, has a TS of 44%, and doesnt aggressively drive to the basket to get to the line to makeup for his shot not falling (FTr of 15%).

[doclinkin]

I wish TBJ could defend better. He's 6-7 with a 6-10 wingspan, a hard worker and a smart guy, and has a nose for the ball as a rebounder. But he just can't seem to guard people that well. I don't get it.

Hip bend.

[Ruzious]

I wouldn't necessarily sell low on TBJ, though I suppose it might be hard to pay him in 2022 if we're already paying Hart. At any rate, TBJ will be on the team for at least one more year after this one.

I wish TBJ could defend better. He's 6-7 with a 6-10 wingspan, a hard worker and a smart guy, and has a nose for the ball as a rebounder. But he just can't seem to guard people that well. I don't get it.

It's hard for him to work on his game and improve his defense if he doesn't get to play. And I doubt they're doing much as far as real practicing.

Listen. I HATE Brooks and thought TBJ was Iggy/Tyreke Evans... but TBJ is doing himself no favors. He doesnt play defense, has a TS of 44%, and doesnt aggressively drive to the basket to get to the line to makeup for his shot not falling (FTr of 15%).

He's been AWFUL this season, but he played well enough last season to be given some benefit of the doubt that he'd be given enough pt to work out his problems.

[Frichuela]

On Josh Hart, I suggested a pre-draft trade where we traded #9 for the Pels #13+Hart...but was not received with much enthusiasm by most posters here...

At #13 we could have selected Achiuwa who had reportedly worked out a few times for the team pre-draft..

Now, I liked Deni as a pick but in the short-term Hart+Achiuwa would have certainly helped us this season. Medium term, we would have had the option to retain Hart (RFA) plus the upside of Achiuwa as a defender who can play as a small C and as a 4 next to Bryant.

Still, I believe Deni's ceiling is higher than Precious but what would have others preferred?

[Ruzious]

On Josh Hart, I suggested a pre-draft trade where we traded #9 for the Pels #13+Hart...but was not received with much enthusiasm by most posters here...

At #13 we could have selected Achiuwa who had reportedly worked out a few times for the team pre-draft..

Now, I liked Deni as a pick but in the short-term Hart+Achiuwa would have certainly helped us this season. Medium term, we would have had the option to retain Hart (RFA) plus the upside of Achiuwa as a defender who can play as a small C and as a 4 next to Bryant.

Still, I believe Deni's ceiling is higher than Precious but what would have others preferred?

Half the regular posters here have championed Hart and had suggestions to get him, so don't feel like you're alone.

As I've said, I would have picked Hali.

[NatP4]

TBJ actually has been a good defender this year

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612764/onoffcourt-summary/?sort=OFF_DEF_RATING&dir=-1

His net rating has also climbed into the positive range. I’m not sure why we would be worried about his TS% at all. He has taken 51 total shots and played less than 200 minutes. Think about the progression of the season for Brown Jr. he started out playing PF in lineups with Neto/Ish/Westbrook/Lopez, then randomly gets thrown in as the backup PG. the team has invested NOTHING into him and given him no clear role or indication that he’s an important piece of the core of this team. He’s been an afterthought since the day he was drafted.

[nate33]

On Josh Hart, I suggested a pre-draft trade where we traded #9 for the Pels #13+Hart...but was not received with much enthusiasm by most posters here...

At #13 we could have selected Achiuwa who had reportedly worked out a few times for the team pre-draft..

Now, I liked Deni as a pick but in the short-term Hart+Achiuwa would have certainly helped us this season. Medium term, we would have had the option to retain Hart (RFA) plus the upside of Achiuwa as a defender who can play as a small C and as a 4 next to Bryant.

Still, I believe Deni's ceiling is higher than Precious but what would have others preferred?

No thanks. I like Hart, but I'd rather just pick him up as a free agent than sacrifice draft capital to acquire him.

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I wish TBJ could defend better. He's 6-7 with a 6-10 wingspan, a hard worker and a smart guy, and has a nose for the ball as a rebounder. But he just can't seem to guard people that well. I don't get it.

Hip bend.

That's bent, man -- he's hip....

[payitforward]

It's hard for him to work on his game and improve his defense if he doesn't get to play. And I doubt they're doing much as far as real practicing.

Listen. I HATE Brooks and thought TBJ was Iggy/Tyreke Evans... but TBJ is doing himself no favors. He doesnt play defense, has a TS of 44%, and doesnt aggressively drive to the basket to get to the line to makeup for his shot not falling (FTr of 15%).

He's been AWFUL this season, but he played well enough last season to be given some benefit of the doubt that he'd be given enough pt to work out his problems.

No way... a team with the aspirations of the Washington Wizards this season can't give PT to Troy Brown. Especially not when we have to find minutes for a guy with a real future, Jerome Robinson.

Don't let yourself be fooled here: just b/c we have declined Robinson's option doesn't mean he shouldn't get 30% more minutes than Brown.

After all, Brown has gotten into one more game than Anthony Gill. & he's gotten into 3 more games than Cassius Winston too!

[Ruzious]

Listen. I HATE Brooks and thought TBJ was Iggy/Tyreke Evans... but TBJ is doing himself no favors. He doesnt play defense, has a TS of 44%, and doesnt aggressively drive to the basket to get to the line to makeup for his shot not falling (FTr of 15%).

He's been AWFUL this season, but he played well enough last season to be given some benefit of the doubt that he'd be given enough pt to work out his problems.

No way... a team with the aspirations of the Washington Wizards this season can't give PT to Troy Brown. Especially not when we have to find minutes for a guy with a real future, Jerome Robinson.

Don't let yourself be fooled here: just b/c we have declined Robinson's option doesn't mean he shouldn't get 30% more minutes than Brown.

After all, Brown has gotten into one more game than Anthony Gill. & he's gotten into 3 more games than Cassius Winston too!

And only washed up veterans cough&&Lopez&&cough&&Wesbrook&&cough should be given the benefit of the doubt when they start off slowly.

[TGW]

Hypothetical: Beal for Tyler Herro, Michael Porter Jr, Denver's FRP. Is this a good return?

[pcbothwel]

Hypothetical: Beal for Tyler Herro, Michael Porter Jr, Denver's FRP. Is this a good return?

Pretty good. Only downside is that you have to assume this team can compete. Because we would never have cap space.
Next year is Porters last year of his rookie deal and He'll get big money to resign. The following year Westbrook expires, but we'd still have Bertans, Porter on his new deal, a top 3-4 pick from 2021 making ~10M, and Rui & Herro RFA's.

Either way, what does Denver send to Miami for us to get Herro?