Lonzo Ball Thread (UPDATE: Bulls Offer Sato + 2nd Round picks)

[RoseTheFuture22]

Lonzo is a RFA his value cannot be that high, even if playing well. I wouldn’t give up any starter for him, including Coby who I’ve been highly critical of.

Yep, I would do Sato, Hutch and 2nd at the most. Or Valentine/Temple instead of Sato but Val would have to OK the trade.

New Orleans is NOT going to keep him next year and they probably won't even give him a qualifying offer similar to how we didn't give one to Dunn because as the former 2nd pick it will be a lot. THey have several guys on big money deals already, they may have to pay Hart, and plus Lonzo is blocking them from seeing what they have with their promising young guys Lewis and Alexander Walker.

[sco]

Lonzo is a RFA his value cannot be that high, even if playing well. I wouldn’t give up any starter for him, including Coby who I’ve been highly critical of.

Yep, I would do Sato, Hutch and 2nd at the most. Or Valentine/Temple instead of Sato but Val would have to OK the trade.

New Orleans is NOT going to keep him next year and they probably won't even give him a qualifying offer similar to how we didn't give one to Dunn because as the former 2nd pick it will be a lot. THey have several guys on big money deals already, they may have to pay Hart, and plus Lonzo is blocking them from seeing what they have with their promising young guys Lewis and Alexander Walker.

I'd love to see if we could get both Lonzo and NAW. I would do Lauri/Coby for them. The $ work.

[StunnerKO]

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[DroseReturnChi]

I would give up either Lauri,Carter, White. His value is just way higher than a 2nd at this point.
I was the one just wait lonzo until rfa but this season is depressing I would rather save a few million for acquiring his rights and build the team around him. None of the core is developing its becoming another wasted season w/o Lonzo.

[WindyCityBorn]

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I would have said no to trading Lauri for Ball, but I think latest this injury might be it for him in Chicago. So might as well roll the dice if they would do it.

[weneeda2guard]

Has to be something holding this deal up.

Either AK really doesn't want him for either not seeing him as a legit answer at the pg or dealing with his impending free agency or maybe a combination of both

Or pelicans want a lot more than we willing to give for him.

What ever the reason front office has to recognize we need a couple bodies right now. Even if it's just cheap additions.

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I think KC is right. It will cost at least Lauri or White. Something on that level of return. Or close.

I’m beginning to lose confidence that anything gets done. And it wasn’t necessarily high to begin with. For 2 reasons. Young players don’t often get traded while their team is winning and they are playing well. Second reason, the number of bidders and quality of bids gets more competitive. A lot of teams can use him playing on this level, especially if he is cheap. The Bulls will definitely have to get bloody on this one Roger. If he does get moved, I’d guess that despite the hyped report about the Bulls, Lonzo is in better position today than he was a week ago to get to a nicer destination. The only way he gets here is if the Bulls are willing to extend him to a pretty good deal, and they also offer something better than than the crap we see in this thread like Sato lol. Not that Sato is “crap”, but its a crap offer.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nba.com/news/lonzo-ball-at-career-crossroads-as-his-brother-generates-a-buzz%3Famp%3D1

[StunnerKO]

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/ball-handler/

Lonzo P&R efficiency in the 80th percentile now

[PaKii94]

I think most of the Lonzo hate was coming from his poor start but his overall numbers are still a lot better than Coby's. When you only look at his recent play since he came back from his absence, his numbers blow Coby's out of the water.

[PaKii94]

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/ball-handler/

Lonzo P&R efficiency in the 80th percentile now

Lavine's at 81%. Coby at 41% (ouch....)

[kodo]

The Pels have some options with Lonzo so there's no need to trade him early.
- they can wait until the deadline to see every offer that comes in, even if they're happy with some trade offers now
- they can wait until the offseason and see if the offers for Lonzo or low enough they match & keep him
- they can wait until the offseason and sign & trade, similar to Milwaukee & Brogdon

Maybe if the return is so great they want to get the deal done ASAP in case a better deal comes up for Chicago, but that would insinuate we are overpaying for a couple of months of Lonzo Ball before he hits free agency...which would be stupid of us.

Just wait for free agency, Bulls aren't going to be doing anything special this season anyway. At the end of the day it's still a one man show, unless we believe Lauri/Wendell/Otto are healthy for the rest of the season. And I'm over putting hope in that.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

I think the ship has sailed on a trade for Ball with this improved play.

The Bulls have a top of money in the offseason, throw 4/75 at him and see if the Pelicans match, I doubt they will.

[The Box Office]

Pelicans should still trade Lonzo if they remain hesitant at throwing 4/75 or whatever big money at him. Even the slightest hesitation (from Pelicans) at giving any contract to Lonzo warrants a trade. They're risking losing Lonzo without getting anything in return?

[TheSuzerain]

I think the ship has sailed on a trade for Ball with this improved play.

The Bulls have a top of money in the offseason, throw 4/75 at him and see if the Pelicans match, I doubt they will.

This is a terrible plan unless you think Ball has all star upside or something. And I don't think anyone thinks he does anymore.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

I think the ship has sailed on a trade for Ball with this improved play.

The Bulls have a top of money in the offseason, throw 4/75 at him and see if the Pelicans match, I doubt they will.

This is a terrible plan unless you think Ball has all star upside or something. And I don't think anyone thinks he does anymore.

I threw that number out not really thinking too much about it, whether it be 4/60, 4/75, or whatever.

His advanced stats have been great all year, he clearly isn’t a bust or just a role player. And to me he is a perfect fit with this roster.

And the Bulls aren’t giving up assets this way.

This team right now is paying 38 million dollars for OPJ and Felicio. 15-17 million for Ball seems like money that won’t be wasted.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Pelicans should still trade Lonzo if they remain hesitant at throwing 4/75 or whatever big money at him. Even the slightest hesitation (from Pelicans) at giving any contract to Lonzo warrants a trade. They're risking losing Lonzo without getting anything in return?

You could say the same about Lauri and why this team isn’t dealing him, especially when it sounds like both sides were far apart in contract negotiations.

I certainly don’t want to pay Lauri 4/80-90, which is what he may be asking for.

[sco]

I think the ship has sailed on a trade for Ball with this improved play.

The Bulls have a top of money in the offseason, throw 4/75 at him and see if the Pelicans match, I doubt they will.

This is a terrible plan unless you think Ball has all star upside or something. And I don't think anyone thinks he does anymore.

I threw that number out not really thinking too much about it, whether it be 4/60, 4/75, or whatever.

His advanced stats have been great all year, he clearly isn’t a bust or just a role player. And to me he is a perfect fit with this roster.

And the Bulls aren’t giving up assets this way.

This team right now is paying 38 million dollars for OPJ and Felicio. 15-17 million for Ball seems like money that won’t be wasted.

IMO, the going rate for a top 20 at a position starter (ie a good but imperfect player) is in the $14-$18M/year range, depending on age and intangibles.

Trading for Ball gives the FO a chance to try before they buy...otherwise, it's a bit riskier bet.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

This is a terrible plan unless you think Ball has all star upside or something. And I don't think anyone thinks he does anymore.

I threw that number out not really thinking too much about it, whether it be 4/60, 4/75, or whatever.

His advanced stats have been great all year, he clearly isn’t a bust or just a role player. And to me he is a perfect fit with this roster.

And the Bulls aren’t giving up assets this way.

This team right now is paying 38 million dollars for OPJ and Felicio. 15-17 million for Ball seems like money that won’t be wasted.

IMO, the going rate for a top 20 at a position starter (ie a good but imperfect player) is in the $14-$18M/year range, depending on age and intangibles.

Trading for Ball gives the FO a chance to try before they buy...otherwise, it's a bit riskier bet.

Agreed, and I like that bet on Ball. I don’t think he’s an all star, but his defense, ball control, and passing fills a lot of holes on this team. And he’s still really young.

[BullChit]

I still think they are interested in trading Ball... But his value is definitely going up.

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[VolumePoster]

Sign him in free agency. The tank is on anyway.